JackTheRipper [1665700]

Which war crimes? I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage. P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment. P.P.S [url=https://twitter.com/ArvindKanjarval/status/1720499756408172567/photo/1]For Shits and giggles[/url]

Vernunzio [730674]

Edit: Response to Blood's post above. Quote didn't take. I'm not blind. I just don't think engaging with you in forums is productive. You think a realistic solution is to keep warring until every Jew in Israel is dead or has moved to another continent, or I guess until no one is left standing to fight the Jews. I disagree but there's obviously no persuading you otherwise. I try to listen to where people on the other sides of the issue are coming from. I do that mostly in PM though. You and certain others who are spouting third-party sourced propaganda are not remotely interested in a good faith discussion or finding a better understanding. Forums in general is more conducive to redundant arguing, while PM is more conducive to listening and seeking common ground. At times I've stepped in to counter some of the more dangerous lies, antisemitism, and calls to genocide, but there are others in this thread calling that out as well, which I appreciate. Other than that I found your posts very illuminating.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't see a solution; Zionists want everything, but so does Hamas. The voices outside those two factions are being drowned out.

Intricate [1957884]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/GH95Deb.jpg[/img]

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

You are f**king idiot, are you not? All those Jews in all those countries left for Palestine *face-f**king-palm* Look at the f**king date for f**k's sake. In May 1948, David Ben-Gurion, serving as the head of the Jewish Agency, declared the establishment of the State of Israel on May 14th. There is no limit to this stupidity, is there? [img]https://media.tenor.com/8JC0Q8897jwAAAAM/facepalm-picard.gif[/img]

Asbestos [2605613]

Nope. I don’t need to say anything new. The scientific facts haven’t changed. Science says you are full of [s]Seba[/s]shit. The Jews and Lebanese have shared ancestors in the Canaanites. So line 2000BCE. 1400 years before the Muslims came along in the area. If you want to insist that the first people there own the place and everyone has to leave, it’s not the Jews on the boats and planes. It’s the Palestinians. That’s your demand. I’m just honoring it and making sure we go by science.

Intricate [1957884]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/GH95Deb.jpg[/img]

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

You are f**king idiot, are you not? All those Jews in all those countries left for Palestine *face-f**king-palm* Look at the f**king date for f**k's sake. In May 1948, David Ben-Gurion, serving as the head of the Jewish Agency, declared the establishment of the State of Israel on May 14th. There is no limit to this stupidity, is there? [img]https://media.tenor.com/8JC0Q8897jwAAAAM/facepalm-picard.gif[/img]

Intricate [1957884]

[quote]There is no limit to this stupidity, is there? [/quote]This coming from someone in support of, and spewing loads upon loads of BS from [color=#666666](Hamas)[/color] Terrorists?

Asbestos [2605613]

Nope. I don’t need to say anything new. The scientific facts haven’t changed. Science says you are full of [s]Seba[/s]shit. The Jews and Lebanese have shared ancestors in the Canaanites. So line 2000BCE. 1400 years before the Muslims came along in the area. If you want to insist that the first people there own the place and everyone has to leave, it’s not the Jews on the boats and planes. It’s the Palestinians. That’s your demand. I’m just honoring it and making sure we go by science.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Lol. You don't even understand Islam. [i]"1400 years Muslims came along in the area."[/i] What a joke! [img width=191 height=250]https://64.media.tumblr.com/80ce2d4f77c4ddc5d9e395a43e37c532/tumblr_o5r3vkiaGo1qh9nffo3_250.gifv[/img] [quote][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]If you want to insist that the first people there own the place and everyone has to leave, it’s not the Jews on the boats and planes. It’s the Palestinians. That’s your demand. I’m just honoring it and making sure we go by science.[/background][/size][/color] [/quote]Palestinians have to leave because science says they have to leave? WTF kind of argument is that? Science has nothing to do with who stays and who leaves. Where are you getting these "facts" and "science" from? Do I get to go into your home and kick you out and say science says I am more related to the house than you? Lands belong to people who live on it. Palestine didn't have Israeli Zionists on it until they were accepted in boatloads as refugees. Who called them refugees if they were the people of the land? I mean, the word refugee, according to [url=https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/]UNHCR[/url], refers to [i]"someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence." [/i]Could you tell me where the Israelis came from before 1946? You can use science and kids' story books too for reference. And also, where the Palestinians were living when the Zionist refugees came and where they (the 700,000+ expelled) have been living since May 1948. Use as much science as you can fabricate. The floor is yours. No need to bomb and make a parking lot of it BTW. No tunnels or Hamas or Hospitas or Palestinians are there. It's as empty as the inside of your skull. [img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa3kzcGV0eHFicTgxeThjM2pja3phMjZhbGl1Z21zaDA2Y2M5eXNybyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/icJ4EjP2lPKUFuEbqp/giphy.gif[/img]

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Which war crimes? I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage. P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment. P.P.S [url=https://twitter.com/ArvindKanjarval/status/1720499756408172567/photo/1]For Shits and giggles[/url]

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

[quote]I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage.[/quote]Hostages can be anything in war. But you do not do what [url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/israel-opt-after-nearly-2-years-in-solitary-confinement-ahmad-manasra-too-ill-to-attend-his-hearing/]Israel did to Manasra[/url] and [url=https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody]1000s of other Palestinian children[/url] and call Israel a democratic country if you're of sound mind and logic. [url=https://www.savethechildren.net/news/%E2%80%9Ctreated-animals%E2%80%9D-palestinian-children-face-inhumane-treatment-israeli-run-prisons]Here is another news article dating back to 2020.[/url] Read and perhaps, educate yourself, while you're pointing fingers? Guess you're not. [img width=203 height=203]https://media2.giphy.com/media/P9iYoq8iPAPk1gHtjF/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47xdlkrzbtl48v02qk5cfn289r34mfq639myplx8sp&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img] [quote]P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment.[/quote][color=#f03e3e]1. Many analysts expect the economic impact will be unlike anything Israel has experienced in decades.[/color] [color=#74b816]2. Israel's economy is expected to grow 2% in 2023, down from a prior estimate of 2.7%, the Finance Ministry said on Thursday citing the effects of Israel's war with Hamas.[/color] [color=#f03e3e]3. [background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]War with Hamas costs NIS 1 billion ($269 million) a day, hitting the economy harder than previous conflicts[/background][/color] [color=#74b816]4. At the start of the war, Israel ordered Chevron to halt production at the Tamar natural gas field to lower the country’s vulnerability to missiles. Energy expert Amit Mor estimated the shutdown could cost Israel $200 million a month in lost revenue.[/color] [color=#f03e3e]5. “There are companies in danger of being closed within the next few months,” chief executive Dror Bin said.[/color] [color=#74b816]6. [size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Israel’s economy recovered from previous wars with Hamas, but this one might go longer, and hit harder[/background][/size][/color] [color=#f03e3e][size=12]7. The shekel has sunk to its lowest level against the dollar in more than a decade, prompting Israel’s central bank to sell $30bn of foreign exchange reserves to prop up the currency.[/size][/color] [color=#74b816][size=12]8. Israel’s economy may shrink 11% on an annualized basis in the last three months of the year, JPMorgan Chase & Co. said, as the country’s war with Hamas escalates.[/size][/color] [color=#f03e3e][size=12]9. [/size]The Israeli Ministry of Finance estimated in October that the economic cost of the war was $270 million per day, emphasizing that the end of the war does not mean a halt to losses.[/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)] [/background][/size][/color][size=12][color=#74b816]10. The $48 billion estimate is lower than the previous assessments, including a recent announcement by the Israeli National Economic Council, estimating the cost of the war on the Israeli economy at potentially 200 billion shekels ($54 billion).[/color] [/size]

Vernunzio [730674]

Edit: Response to Blood's post above. Quote didn't take. I'm not blind. I just don't think engaging with you in forums is productive. You think a realistic solution is to keep warring until every Jew in Israel is dead or has moved to another continent, or I guess until no one is left standing to fight the Jews. I disagree but there's obviously no persuading you otherwise. I try to listen to where people on the other sides of the issue are coming from. I do that mostly in PM though. You and certain others who are spouting third-party sourced propaganda are not remotely interested in a good faith discussion or finding a better understanding. Forums in general is more conducive to redundant arguing, while PM is more conducive to listening and seeking common ground. At times I've stepped in to counter some of the more dangerous lies, antisemitism, and calls to genocide, but there are others in this thread calling that out as well, which I appreciate. Other than that I found your posts very illuminating.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't see a solution; Zionists want everything, but so does Hamas. The voices outside those two factions are being drowned out.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

See, here is the thing. Zionists wanting everything isn't the same as Hamas wanting everything. None of what the Zionists wanted belonged to them. But everything that the Hamas want is theirs. Or at least, was, until the Zionist refugees decided to bite the hand that fed them.

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Are you really comparing the Israeli Economy to Lebanon? After Hezbollah blew up the port in Beruit, their economy has been in the toilet. I mean, we can even compare it to East Pakistan Sory I meant Bangladesh, if you want.

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Every time the terrorists tried to take it by force, they got spanked by the IDF, this time will be no different.

Asbestos [2605613]

Nope. I don’t need to say anything new. The scientific facts haven’t changed. Science says you are full of [s]Seba[/s]shit. The Jews and Lebanese have shared ancestors in the Canaanites. So line 2000BCE. 1400 years before the Muslims came along in the area. If you want to insist that the first people there own the place and everyone has to leave, it’s not the Jews on the boats and planes. It’s the Palestinians. That’s your demand. I’m just honoring it and making sure we go by science.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Lol. You don't even understand Islam. [i]"1400 years Muslims came along in the area."[/i] What a joke! [img width=191 height=250]https://64.media.tumblr.com/80ce2d4f77c4ddc5d9e395a43e37c532/tumblr_o5r3vkiaGo1qh9nffo3_250.gifv[/img] [quote][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]If you want to insist that the first people there own the place and everyone has to leave, it’s not the Jews on the boats and planes. It’s the Palestinians. That’s your demand. I’m just honoring it and making sure we go by science.[/background][/size][/color] [/quote]Palestinians have to leave because science says they have to leave? WTF kind of argument is that? Science has nothing to do with who stays and who leaves. Where are you getting these "facts" and "science" from? Do I get to go into your home and kick you out and say science says I am more related to the house than you? Lands belong to people who live on it. Palestine didn't have Israeli Zionists on it until they were accepted in boatloads as refugees. Who called them refugees if they were the people of the land? I mean, the word refugee, according to [url=https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/]UNHCR[/url], refers to [i]"someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence." [/i]Could you tell me where the Israelis came from before 1946? You can use science and kids' story books too for reference. And also, where the Palestinians were living when the Zionist refugees came and where they (the 700,000+ expelled) have been living since May 1948. Use as much science as you can fabricate. The floor is yours. No need to bomb and make a parking lot of it BTW. No tunnels or Hamas or Hospitas or Palestinians are there. It's as empty as the inside of your skull. [img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa3kzcGV0eHFicTgxeThjM2pja3phMjZhbGl1Z21zaDA2Y2M5eXNybyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/icJ4EjP2lPKUFuEbqp/giphy.gif[/img]

Asbestos [2605613]

lol. You don’t understand math. Basic math. The Jews ancestors were there in 2000BCE. You guys are always very proud to babble about the Muslims conquering Jerusalem in 635BCE. That’s ~1400 years. The problem is that the you, Seba, grey_yahoo, and whatever other members of TIJ (Torn Internet Jihad) refuse to acknowledge anything prior to Muslim folks in a region - particularly when it comes to a claim of indigenous right. You think that time starts with the arrival of your people. It doesn’t. Your claim keeps going back to “if we conquer it, it is ours forever, but if you conquer it, then you stole it”. It’s a moronic double standard that only TIJ can rationalize. I’m not impressed.[img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFNgnz84_MOaq4vJcQr_-G_PmRbLlExLjZeQ&usqp=CAU[/img]

Intricate [1957884]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/GH95Deb.jpg[/img]

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

You are f**king idiot, are you not? All those Jews in all those countries left for Palestine *face-f**king-palm* Look at the f**king date for f**k's sake. In May 1948, David Ben-Gurion, serving as the head of the Jewish Agency, declared the establishment of the State of Israel on May 14th. There is no limit to this stupidity, is there? [img]https://media.tenor.com/8JC0Q8897jwAAAAM/facepalm-picard.gif[/img]

Intricate [1957884]

[quote]There is no limit to this stupidity, is there? [/quote]This coming from someone in support of, and spewing loads upon loads of BS from [color=#666666](Hamas)[/color] Terrorists?

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No, this is coming from someone supporting the genocide being committed by the IDF, the Zionist settlers, and the government all around the globe supporting and aiding them. [img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNW1oMDFocDFuNm4xaTN1d2Vpd3o5aGl1cXV5enIxbzhrZzlrNzQ4MSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/26F3SMDh01ggj3cGc/giphy.gif[/img] Problem?

Intricate [1957884]

I’ve seen unedited and uncensored videos of not only what Hamas, but Palestinians did to not only soldiers, but civilians (and their dead and some decapitated bodies) on October 7th. And not the ones that can be shown on YouTube, Twitter ect. You can drop the Genocide and other BS.

Vernunzio [730674]

So then which one is it? Stop dancing around. I inferred from your word salad that you do not recognize Israel has a right to exist. If I am wrong, here is your opportunity to correct me and tell me you believe Israel has the right to exist. It's not a complicated question and answer.

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Blood [1359633]

You know you’re wrong and yet again trying to twist it. If that is what you ‘inferred’ then that’s on you. My answer was clear and obvious. Enjoy the rest of your day trying to twist other people’s answers.

Vernunzio [730674]

Except you're lying but too cowardly to say in simple language what you want. You said this: "Israelis have the right to exist but not on occupied land. And that is that. The same way they were gathered on a boat and taken to Palestine, they can gather themselves and go to the US where their war crimes are supported and funded." I asked you if Israel has the right to exist. It seems from your answer that you view Israel as occupied land, and think the Israelis should only live if they leave Israel. But again, go ahead and correct me if I somehow misinterpreted that. Tell me what you really meant, if I am wrong. When you refuse peace, it is disingenuous to blame the other side for the consequences of war.

Blood [1359633]

Israel occupied the land of the Palestinians. Israel can exist but not on Palestinian land. It’s as simple as that. Same way Israelis existed before having land, they can exist elsewhere. Now twist it and go around in circles. Consequences of war = targeting civilians? Talking about ‘too cowardly’, you’re the one who doesn’t answer a single question and twists everything. Who’s the coward now? Who’s the one trying to be the victim? Alright then Vern, good luck. FREE PALESTINE

Vernunzio [730674]

You are a little more clever than Smilin, I'll give you that.

I totally expected him to be the first one to say that Israel can exist, just not where it presently exists. The best he could come up with is that he can acknowledge Israel exists in the same way he can acknowledge a virus exists.

Israel is where it is. Do you really think mass displacement of over 7 million people is the answer? How do you propose that be achieved if they don't want to leave?

I answered all your questions, I just didn't buy in to your framing of them.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

[quote]You are a little more clever than Smilin, I'll give you that.[/quote] Yeah, we have established that. I am not smart. If I were, I would have left you all to fall on your faces when your Israel loses. They have lost face. You can see them and their extensions grasping at straws and using AI and everything they can use to control the narrative. But not one thing worked on those with brains. You are a Jew. No question there. Are you an Israeli? How many citizenships do you have? Because you seem to be doing exactly what they do. Playing victim after committing very crime and blaming someone else for the crimes. [quote][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas burned and beheaded 40 babies. [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas ****d our women and mutilated their bodies Hamas drove their vehicles on our dead and defiled them Hamas tied our men and women to their trucks and drove them around Gaza [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas ****d our grandmothers [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas built tunnels [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas killed Israelis [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas this [/background][/size][/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Hamas that[/background][/size][/color] [/quote] But if you read the news, you will see Israeli Zionists from both the IDF and settlers doing the shit mentioned above on their own news. THEIR OWN f**kING NEWS! Stating that those people have been punished etc. But you do not see the same about Hamas in anywhere else but on IDF X. Makes one question, right? [quote]I totally expected him to be the first one to say that Israel can exist, just not where it presently exists, in a trick to avoid admitting to genocidal or mass displacement intentions. [/quote]Why would I trick a fool? The whole purpose of a trick is to fool someone. You are not worthy of being fooled by me, fool. You are doing a great job of making a fool of yourself here on the forums on this topic. [quote]The best he could come up with is that he can acknowledge Israel exists in the same way he can acknowledge a virus exists. [/quote]That's your opinion. The opinion of an extension has no relation to the truth. I told you that I won't play your game. I told you that the issue we are discussing isn't a matter of right of existence. Let me say it in simple terms for a simpleton like yourself to understand. You believe, or you do not agree with, when people say that the IDF targets civilians. And yet, a population of 2.2 million people has been the target, (because it's their homes that have been destroyed and them that have been dying) by 30,000+ tons of bombs. 230,000+ buildings destroyed and 46,000+ homes razed to the ground. Did your opinion matter when all those statistics happened? Nope. So, try shoving that opinion up where the sun doesn't shine. Your opinions don't matter. The truth and facts don't give a f**k about your beliefs. You don't get to say "We don't target children" when you bomb a population that is 50 (or so) percent children. To kill less than 2 percent of the population, you raze everything on the surface knowing that the less than 2 percent live underground. Once again, f**k your opinions. Look at the statistics. Leave your opinions where I told you to shove them. [quote]Do you really think mass displacement of over 7 million people is the answer? How do you propose that be achieved if they don't want to leave? [/quote]Perhaps in the countries that support them? The countries that fund them? Good question. How is the IDF forcing the Gazans to leave their homes? Answer that question and you will have an answer (through example by your "homeland") that I am sure you will (not) accept and call me genocidal

Blood [1359633]

Lost territory/land through illegal occupation. Israelis moving in and acting like they ‘own’ the place. Taking Palestinian peoples houses, kicking the Palestinians out because they feel superior and protected by the IDF. If you support Israel & the government, then they are your government too :) Enjoy the rest of your day but I’d recommend doing thorough research instead of following the main stream media such as BBC & CNN etc.

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Steppenwulf [2960257]

[b][i]Lost territory/land through illegal occupation. [/i][/b]I keep hearing this term illegal occupation. Can you tell me what makes an occupation illegal, and what part of the map represents land that Israel is illegally occupying?

Blood [1359633]

I wasn’t going to answer this since it’s the dumbest question you’ve asked but f**k it. Illegal occupation is when an unauthorised party occupies a property or land with no lawful right to do so. The whole map represents land that Israel is illegally occupying. The land isn’t theirs therefore they are illegally settling & occupying it. They maintain this land & occupy further land through violence. Israelis homes is in Europe, where they were collected from & put on a ship to Palestine. Any further dumb questions? Keep them to yourself cause I ain’t answering the next dumb one.

Asbestos [2605613]

Live by the sword, die by the sword. DNA research - science, says that Israelis home is in Israel. It says that Gazas population belongs in Iraq, Syria, etc. When do you plan to return the illegal occupiers to their homeland in Iraq or Syria? Dang that pesky science messing up all the fun discriminatory propaganda.

Blood [1359633]

and how long is your ‘DNA’ research going? Because those exact same Israelis were collected from Europe, thrown on a boat and taken to Palestine… Stop tryna come with ‘live by the sword, die by the sword’ bullshit lmao. You’ve recycled the ‘DNA RESEARCH’ message more than once now - come up with something new. If they were supposed to be there, then they wouldn’t be accused of ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by the INTERNATIONAL LAW. Just keep supporting them whilst they commit more and more war crimes every day. The blood is on your hand as much as it is on theirs.

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Which war crimes? I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage. P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment. P.P.S [url=https://twitter.com/ArvindKanjarval/status/1720499756408172567/photo/1]For Shits and giggles[/url]

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Which war crimes? I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage. P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment. P.P.S [url=https://twitter.com/ArvindKanjarval/status/1720499756408172567/photo/1]For Shits and giggles[/url]

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

[quote]I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage.[/quote]Hostages can be anything in war. But you do not do what [url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/israel-opt-after-nearly-2-years-in-solitary-confinement-ahmad-manasra-too-ill-to-attend-his-hearing/]Israel did to Manasra[/url] and [url=https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody]1000s of other Palestinian children[/url] and call Israel a democratic country if you're of sound mind and logic. [url=https://www.savethechildren.net/news/%E2%80%9Ctreated-animals%E2%80%9D-palestinian-children-face-inhumane-treatment-israeli-run-prisons]Here is another news article dating back to 2020.[/url] Read and perhaps, educate yourself, while you're pointing fingers? Guess you're not. [img width=203 height=203]https://media2.giphy.com/media/P9iYoq8iPAPk1gHtjF/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47xdlkrzbtl48v02qk5cfn289r34mfq639myplx8sp&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g[/img] [quote]P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment.[/quote][color=#f03e3e]1. Many analysts expect the economic impact will be unlike anything Israel has experienced in decades.[/color] [color=#74b816]2. Israel's economy is expected to grow 2% in 2023, down from a prior estimate of 2.7%, the Finance Ministry said on Thursday citing the effects of Israel's war with Hamas.[/color] [color=#f03e3e]3. [background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]War with Hamas costs NIS 1 billion ($269 million) a day, hitting the economy harder than previous conflicts[/background][/color] [color=#74b816]4. At the start of the war, Israel ordered Chevron to halt production at the Tamar natural gas field to lower the country’s vulnerability to missiles. Energy expert Amit Mor estimated the shutdown could cost Israel $200 million a month in lost revenue.[/color] [color=#f03e3e]5. “There are companies in danger of being closed within the next few months,” chief executive Dror Bin said.[/color] [color=#74b816]6. [size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)]Israel’s economy recovered from previous wars with Hamas, but this one might go longer, and hit harder[/background][/size][/color] [color=#f03e3e][size=12]7. The shekel has sunk to its lowest level against the dollar in more than a decade, prompting Israel’s central bank to sell $30bn of foreign exchange reserves to prop up the currency.[/size][/color] [color=#74b816][size=12]8. Israel’s economy may shrink 11% on an annualized basis in the last three months of the year, JPMorgan Chase & Co. said, as the country’s war with Hamas escalates.[/size][/color] [color=#f03e3e][size=12]9. [/size]The Israeli Ministry of Finance estimated in October that the economic cost of the war was $270 million per day, emphasizing that the end of the war does not mean a halt to losses.[/color][color=var(--default-color)][size=12][background color=var(--bbc-body-bg-color)] [/background][/size][/color][size=12][color=#74b816]10. The $48 billion estimate is lower than the previous assessments, including a recent announcement by the Israeli National Economic Council, estimating the cost of the war on the Israeli economy at potentially 200 billion shekels ($54 billion).[/color] [/size]

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Are you really comparing the Israeli Economy to Lebanon? After Hezbollah blew up the port in Beruit, their economy has been in the toilet. I mean, we can even compare it to East Pakistan Sory I meant Bangladesh, if you want.

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Every time the terrorists tried to take it by force, they got spanked by the IDF, this time will be no different.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Who is this "they" you speak of, that gets spanked by the IDF? The 20,000 innocent civilians murdered by the IDF during their bombing campaign? Because these so-called "terrorists" tried to take the whole of Israel by force? Yeah, right. Your logic is a joke. But not a funny one. A sad one.

Steppenwulf [2960257]

[b][i]Lost territory/land through illegal occupation. [/i][/b]I keep hearing this term illegal occupation. Can you tell me what makes an occupation illegal, and what part of the map represents land that Israel is illegally occupying?

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Blood [1359633]

I wasn’t going to answer this since it’s the dumbest question you’ve asked but f**k it. Illegal occupation is when an unauthorised party occupies a property or land with no lawful right to do so. The whole map represents land that Israel is illegally occupying. The land isn’t theirs therefore they are illegally settling & occupying it. They maintain this land & occupy further land through violence. Israelis homes is in Europe, where they were collected from & put on a ship to Palestine. Any further dumb questions? Keep them to yourself cause I ain’t answering the next dumb one.

Asbestos [2605613]

Live by the sword, die by the sword. DNA research - science, says that Israelis home is in Israel. It says that Gazas population belongs in Iraq, Syria, etc. When do you plan to return the illegal occupiers to their homeland in Iraq or Syria? Dang that pesky science messing up all the fun discriminatory propaganda.

Blood [1359633]

and how long is your ‘DNA’ research going? Because those exact same Israelis were collected from Europe, thrown on a boat and taken to Palestine… Stop tryna come with ‘live by the sword, die by the sword’ bullshit lmao. You’ve recycled the ‘DNA RESEARCH’ message more than once now - come up with something new. If they were supposed to be there, then they wouldn’t be accused of ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by the INTERNATIONAL LAW. Just keep supporting them whilst they commit more and more war crimes every day. The blood is on your hand as much as it is on theirs.

JackTheRipper [1665700]

Which war crimes? I believe you are mixing up Israel, a democratic country and the terrorist organisation Hamas, which takes children hostage. P.S. I would suggest focussing a bit more on Lebanon for now. Your economy and currency aren't looking too great at the moment. P.P.S [url=https://twitter.com/ArvindKanjarval/status/1720499756408172567/photo/1]For Shits and giggles[/url]

Blood [1359633]

No way you asked ‘what war crimes?’ Lmao Bombing a hospital? Let me guess, not a war crime? You talk about ‘Hamas taking children hostages’ but the IDF take children and release them as ADULTS after years and years of torture. The difference is, as proven during this current cease fire and exchange of hostages, the difference between the hostages. Israelis were saying goodbye to the Hamas soldiers and were being taken care of every step of the way until they got onto the coach. Ever seen a hostage say goodbye to the person that ‘kidnapped’ them? Ever seen a hostage HUG the person that ‘kidnapped’ them? Keep following the mainstream media. The very same media that will label Israelis as ‘hostages’ and Palestinians as ‘prisoners’. Absolute biased and trash. I don’t need to focus more on Lebanons economy or currency. Nothing I can do about it. Only reason it’s the way it is because Lebanon refuses to be manipulated & used as a puppet by the USA which triggered USA to place sanctions on Lebanon. You should focus more on the truth that the whole world is starting to see & protest for. But you’ll continue being blind & acting like a dog. Dont forget to sniff the corner of your house so you know which home is yours.