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Hamas launches major offensive against Israel
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    Thread created on 14:45:39 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    No justice, no peace.


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    Posted on 15:41:33 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    WWI led to the Balfour Declaration.
    WWII established the nation of Israel.
    WWIII will bring a New Jerusalem to Ukraine.
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    Posted on 17:01:15 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Freedom fighters fighting for their rights to have country, to have place called Home, to protect themselves & their children from systematic ethnic cleansing done by the Zionist occupation since 1948.

    check the following video if someone forgot or don't know the history. then be honest with yourself and ask yourself what would you do if the same thing happen to you ? I would like to know your answer !

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    Posted on 17:10:06 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Hani [453063]

    Freedom fighters fighting for their rights to have country, to have place called Home, to protect themselves & their children from systematic ethnic cleansing done by the Zionist occupation since 1948.

    check the following video if someone forgot or don't know the history. then be honest with yourself and ask yourself what would you do if the same thing happen to you ? I would like to know your answer !

    Freedom fighters?
    Sounds more like murders.
    In the last 16 hours, more than 1500 civilians and soldiers were injured.
    More than 250 civilians and soldiers were killed.
    Dozens were kidnapped and being kept in captivity.
    Children included.

    And before you start throwing past numbers here, I'd say it's not a competition of who kills or injures more.
    It is something that shouldn't happen.
    Human life is human life, no matter the ethnicity or religion.
    Last edited by avital on 19:42:40 - 07/10/23
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    Posted on 17:34:37 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Hani [453063]

    Freedom fighters fighting for their rights to have country, to have place called Home, to protect themselves & their children from systematic ethnic cleansing done by the Zionist occupation since 1948.

    check the following video if someone forgot or don't know the history. then be honest with yourself and ask yourself what would you do if the same thing happen to you ? I would like to know your answer !

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    Freedom fighters?
    Sounds more like murders.
    In the last 16 hours, more than 1500 civilians and soldiers were injured.
    More than 250 civilians and soldiers were killed.
    Dozens were kidnapped and being kept in captivity.
    Children included.

    And before you start throwing past numbers here, I'd say it's not a competition of who kills or injures more.
    It is something that shouldn't happen.
    Human life is human life, no matter the ethnicity or religion.
    Don't you understand? I don't need to throw numbers I am stating facts, I am not having discussion or debate here, I am not going to play that game if you disagree with history then it is up to you.

    It's not about religion or ethnicity like you think ( or like you want strangers from other countries to think), it is not about you or me, it is about the rights of Palestinians to return, the right to have home, the right to have decent life.

    The right from wrong is clear like the sun in a clear sky and even a blind person can see it.
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    Posted on 17:42:42 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Terrorists the lot.  I at one time had sympathy for Palestinians, but that has long since evaporated.
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    Posted on 17:42:46 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Hani [453063]

    Freedom fighters fighting for their rights to have country, to have place called Home, to protect themselves & their children from systematic ethnic cleansing done by the Zionist occupation since 1948.

    check the following video if someone forgot or don't know the history. then be honest with yourself and ask yourself what would you do if the same thing happen to you ? I would like to know your answer !

    avital [501114]

    Freedom fighters?
    Sounds more like murders.
    In the last 16 hours, more than 1500 civilians and soldiers were injured.
    More than 250 civilians and soldiers were killed.
    Dozens were kidnapped and being kept in captivity.
    Children included.

    And before you start throwing past numbers here, I'd say it's not a competition of who kills or injures more.
    It is something that shouldn't happen.
    Human life is human life, no matter the ethnicity or religion.

    Hani [453063]

    Don't you understand? I don't need to throw numbers I am stating facts, I am not having discussion or debate here, I am not going to play that game if you disagree with history then it is up to you.

    It's not about religion or ethnicity like you think ( or like you want strangers from other countries to think), it is not about you or me, it is about the rights of Palestinians to return, the right to have home, the right to have decent life.

    The right from wrong is clear like the sun in a clear sky and even a blind person can see it.
    I am not talking about history either.
    But yes you are right, it is clear like the sky that by your logic this attack is legit.
    Slaughtering civilians from any side isn't legit. And no matter what the reason is.
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    Posted on 18:14:01 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
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    Posted on 18:17:04 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
    Sorry. The dictionary says terrorism is terrorism.
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    Posted on 18:18:18 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    One of the problems notable across the globe are with Islamists.  No not Muslims in general but Islamists who are poltically motivated, and oft terrorists.  Africa, Asia, and in Western nations they migrate to.  We see the violence.  

    Muslims should speak out against the Islamists, before its too late.
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    Posted on 18:20:00 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight?  That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.
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    Posted on 18:20:49 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Stupid action of hamas and it will lead tto many deaths. And killing civilians just can't be justified.

    But it's also inevitable, as long as the freedom of the Palestinians is taken, extremism can be feed easily, and also be justified in the eyes of the Palestinians .
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    Posted on 18:22:01 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

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    Sorry. The dictionary says terrorism is terrorism.
    Educate yourself and stop believing everything you see and hear on main stream media. 


    Please watch or read about the King David Hotel bombing.


    Both countries are terrorist to each other. Both countries killed and continue to kill innocent children and civilians. I pray for peace on both sides.
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    Posted on 18:25:43 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.
    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways. 


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.
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    Posted on 18:32:55 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.

    Medjai [594089]

    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways.


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.
    IDF aren't terrorists.  They are a legitimate military of a sovereign nation.
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    Posted on 18:39:39 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.

    Medjai [594089]

    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways.


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.

    Voltovski [3026011]

    IDF aren't terrorists. They are a legitimate military of a sovereign nation.
    Okay whatever helps you sleep at night. For me it’s that IDF are terrorists and nothing you tell me is going to change my opinion.
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    Posted on 18:41:28 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.

    Medjai [594089]

    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways.


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.

    Voltovski [3026011]

    IDF aren't terrorists. They are a legitimate military of a sovereign nation.

    Medjai [594089]

    Okay whatever helps you sleep at night. For me it’s that IDF are terrorists and nothing you tell me is going to change my opinion.
    I'm not here to change anyone's opinion.  I just stated some facts.  Suggesting I'm deluded so I can sleep at night is a laugh.
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    Posted on 19:15:31 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.

    Medjai [594089]

    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways.


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.

    Voltovski [3026011]

    IDF aren't terrorists. They are a legitimate military of a sovereign nation.
    Legit militaries can do terrorism.
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    Posted on 19:15:41 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    avital [501114]

    Sorry. The dictionary says terrorism is terrorism.

    Medjai [594089]

    Educate yourself and stop believing everything you see and hear on main stream media.


    Please watch or read about the King David Hotel bombing.


    Both countries are terrorist to each other. Both countries killed and continue to kill innocent children and civilians. I pray for peace on both sides.
    You assume everyone who holds a different opinion than you is not educated.

    I don't need to read or watch about a terror attack that happened 85 years ago. I could play by your game and tell you they were freedom warriors too, but I don't. Because I don't support terrorism of any kind.

    And as I mentioned in previous comments, I'm against killing any civilians of any side and of any kind.
    The only part I agree with you is the praying for peace on both sides part
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    Posted on 19:20:45 - 07/10/23 (4 months ago)
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    Medjai [594089]

    “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

    Voltovski [3026011]

    Sure sure, but for example in Mali, Nigeria, Burkino Faso, etc...are they really freedom fighters, when they torture, and mutilate and murder women and children attacking villages and setting them alight? That's a really hard sell for any sane person to buy into.

    Medjai [594089]

    You can not relate the situation in those countries to Palestine and Israel totally different in so many ways.


    I believe there are legit terrorist organizations in the world but IDF and Hamas are both terrorist in my privileged Western eyes.

    Voltovski [3026011]

    IDF aren't terrorists. They are a legitimate military of a sovereign nation.

    Karl_innit [3025813]

    Legit militaries can do terrorism.
    The issue then becomes, were these members of the military that conducted activities not sanctioned by upper echelon command or without political direction terrorists, or criminals?  If the state authorizes operations in furtherance of its defense in response to aggression, is it terrorism or legitimate operations in accordance with international law?

    The fact that Hamas has taken both military and civilian hostages, doesn't really support the notion they are freedom fighters, but terrorists.
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