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    Thread created on 12:23:14 - 10/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Last replied 07:07:48 - 16/04/26 (6 months ago)
    I know there have been a few threads about this. I thought It would be useful to put some numbers on things: 

    Baldr's guide has a really useful guide to full happy jumps, but they are very expensive. If you can spare $27M every couple of days, happy jumps with EDVDs will get your stats up quicker than anything. But if it takes you a week or longer to save up, you can gain stats faster and more cheaply with a 'lite' version of the happy jump. There are various versions of this, increasing in effectiveness and cost depending on what candy you use. The Lolly Jump is the cheapest but even the most expensive 'Reindeer Jump' costs less than a third of a full happy jump and gives you  roughly half the gains. I've used Vladar's excellent training outcome spreadsheet to give some examples. As these are aimed at new players, I've used a PI with 3000 happy, stats of 100k in total and the first medium-weight gym for the examples. I've only listed the Lolly Jump and Reindeer Jump, but you can use Vladar's spreadsheet to compare using Tootsie rolls or whatever.

    Firstly, for comparison, the full happy jump: 4 xanax, 5 EDVDs, 1 ecstasy, 25 point refill. (31000 happy)
    CostGainsCost Per stat point
    $26.8M10080$2659


    The 'Lolly Jump':  3 xanax 48 lollys, 1 ecstasy (8400 happy)
    CostGainsCost Per stat point
    $2.5m2508$997


     

    'Reindeer Jump'  3 xanax, 48 reindeer droppings (or choc truffles) 1 ecstasy  (14600 happy)
    CostGainsCost Per stat point
    $7.5M4078$1839


     

    The cost per stat point is just for comparison. Obviously, the lowest cost per point is to just train away all your E every 5 hours, which costs nothing but is incredibly slow. This is about balancing stat gains with your income. So if you have $2.5M a day income after rent etc, you can do a reindeer jump every 3 days, but a full happy jump only every 11 days and the reindeer jump will increase your stats more quickly.

    There will be an optimum mix of happy jumps, lite jumps etc which will give you the fastest stat increase for any income. I haven't gone as far as working that out as it seems like total micromanagement., but this is the general principle, with some numbers attached.

    EDIT: Ninja has done some more sums and reckons the cut-off when this stops being more efficient is at about total stats of 1M. I haven't checked, but that seems about right. Thanks Ninja

    EDIT 2: Thanks for the thumbs. A couple of things. I don't think,and I could be wrong, that it is ever effective to use lollies or even big choc boxes for a 'jump' In saving up 900 or 1000 e, you are sacrificing your natural energy regen: I've sort of stopped looking into this as my stats are bit higher now. But even at low levels, it doesn't really make sense to save up lots of xanax and then just do 50 lollies. You'd be much better off waiting until the timer is at 00, 15, 30 or 45 and just maxing out your booster cooldown with lollies, training away your e, taking a xan, training, then doing an energy refill. I will come back to this and do the sums, but I've sort of moved beyond where this guide is actually useful to me,
    I think that if your total stats are below about 500k, it's worth doing some form of candy jump. But basically it becomes somewhat marginal quite quickly.
    What I would call 'basic' training is to just eat candy, do an ecs and train away your 400 e, then refill. This gives you 550 e with boosted happy and over the nexr 24 hours you can train away another 1200 or so from natural energy regen and xan. Basic training like this lets you train away about 1800 e per 24hrs,of which the first 550 will be boosted with some happy gain.. In doing a 'jump' (getting e to 1000, boosting happy and then doing a mandy to double it) is NOT always going boost you stats faster and cheaper than just training away the roughly 1800 e you could have had in the same time through natural e replenishment. If anyone wants to cut, paste and edit this, feel free, But basically, I've grown out of my own guide!
    Last edited by LapisLazuli on 03:48:02 - 09/04/19 (7 years ago)
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    Posted on 21:51:30 - 10/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Cheers for posting this. Found it useful so thanks. 
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    Posted on 00:13:21 - 11/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Nice
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    Posted on 19:26:19 - 12/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Thanks for the positive stuff. First guide I've tried to write. Still really a noob writing for other noobs myself!

     
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    Posted on 00:52:38 - 13/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    loli jump. :p 

    uhh

    bump!

    good for noobs

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    Posted on 10:40:51 - 14/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Is there  a noob jump. For us that have maybe 1m a week in income
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    Posted on 13:50:22 - 15/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    smithforrest [2171436]

    Is there  a noob jump. For us that have maybe 1m a week in income
    1. At full e, eat 48 lollipops, use 1 ecstasy and train all e. Then, wait for full e and drug cd, take another ecstasy and train all e. Repeat.

    2. At full e, eat 48 lollipops, train all e, use 1 lsd, train that 50e. Continue to use lsd and all e throughout the day.

    3. At full e, eat 48 lollipops, train all e, use xanax, train all e. Continue use xanax and naturaltrain e throughout the day.
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    Posted on 19:56:45 - 17/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    smithforrest [2171436]

    Is there  a noob jump. For us that have maybe 1m a week in income
    agreed
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    Posted on 02:19:18 - 19/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Yay
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    Posted on 10:52:50 - 20/10/18 (8 years ago)
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    Awesome guide thank you 

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    Posted on 02:32:40 - 08/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    Quick, informative and direct.  Thank you, awesome post. Easy for new members to follow.
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    Posted on 15:46:26 - 10/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    May have to use this.
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    Posted on 15:08:33 - 12/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    Just worked out a few more things using that spread sheet. around 1m in a stat is the cut off point for stacked happy jumps, as you're losing more stats in missed energy than you would gain from the jump.

    Would probably be helpful to newer players if you shared that in the original post.
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    Posted on 15:42:09 - 12/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    nice wish I had this when I started

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    Posted on 15:21:32 - 14/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    Good info thanks for posting.
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    Posted on 14:15:01 - 18/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    This is important information for the intrepid field mouse on a budget!

    With happy being so important when training small stats, it is better to do something rather than nothing to boost your happy before training.

    Every little bit helps in a never ending game.

    Even if you cant afford the best method. Anything you do even if its little is better than doing nothing at all :P

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    Posted on 22:35:07 - 22/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    Hey there.  Just wanted to post some number crunches I was working on.

    I'm not so sure that your numbers detail the most effecting building strategy.  I used the same variables when I crunched my numbers, just so you know, and here's what I came up with.

    This is all assuming one gets every ounce of their daily energy (using the 150E of a donator), and uses a point refill, as well.

    -Simply training all the 1620 energy one receives in a day with those modifiers (3 xanax, a refill, and 720 naturally regenerated E) will gain a person 5688 speed with a 100k base, training at Knucklehead's with said 3k happy.

    -Stacking for a lolly boost with the same variables gets a person 5584 speed.  Actually less than just training normally.  (1050E at 8400 happy)

    -Doing one lolly boost per day (550 energy.  150 reg, 250 xan, 150 refill) and training the rest of the energy normally results in a gain of 6681 speed.

    -Stacking energy for a reindeer boost (1050 energy at 14600 happy) results in a gain of 7668 speed.

    -Doing a reindeer boost with that 550 energy, and training the rest normally results in a gain of 7772 speed.

    Not to mention, that training normally, with a daily candy boost, will result in lots more energy going towards unlocking gyms and whatnot.  It's just that stacking for these methods might not be the best approach.  Also, with three xanax and an additional ecstasy cooldown, chances are, it's going to take a bit longer than the day worth of energy regeneration I used to calculate this.  Granted most people require sleep, so I just used a standard 24 hours.

    That all being said, it's neat that you made a guide for noobs and whatnot.  The newer players of Torn definitely deserve some love.
    Last edited by Quilogy on 22:40:34 - 22/11/18 (7 years ago)

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    Posted on 10:22:07 - 23/11/18 (7 years ago)
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    Greetings

     

    Thank you very much for having posted this

     

    Sincere best wishes to all the newbies
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    Posted on 22:13:43 - 15/12/18 (7 years ago)
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    Since I wrote this, the price of Reindeer/Choc truffles has just about doubled!. Probably coincidence, but perhaps means this is not as useful as it was, and Quilogy makes a good point. He does rely on efficiently training away all your e, which is not always practical. But it's worth reading his post above and working out what is best for you.
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    Posted on 16:38:44 - 18/12/18 (7 years ago)
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    Thank you, I’m going to try using big boxes of chocolates, as they add a little more then a lollipop.. Plus they can easily be obtained through crimes!
    Last edited by Shrex on 16:39:30 - 18/12/18 (7 years ago)
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