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[RW] PT-Family vs. NSII

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    So... Who is starting the bets on how many days this will last? This seems to have potential to go to #1 on most score in a RW... 20k more to go still though. At this point i think the only thing you guys are fighting for is bragging rights, because the expediture is most likely over the possible gains.

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    Well we weren't fighting for money in the first place. Its ranked warring. Isn't the prize supposed to be ranking up?

    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    Debatable. Since there is no clear "world order" in the RW, the main reward from ranking up (if not the only one) is better rewards, and, if you are not fighting for rewards, i would say you are effectively fighting for nothing at all.
    That's one way to look at it, but most HOF war in their main shells to see how the faction stacks up against another. This slog fest continues because we as NS2 want to see if we can pull out a win against a perceived top 5 faction like pt. We always keep our caches for toys as well.

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    Beer_Bear [42111]

    Well we weren't fighting for money in the first place. Its ranked warring. Isn't the prize supposed to be ranking up?
    Eh depends. For big HoF families probably. For us lower muggles the caches are a great way to increase our progress.
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    So... Who is starting the bets on how many days this will last? This seems to have potential to go to #1 on most score in a RW... 20k more to go still though. At this point i think the only thing you guys are fighting for is bragging rights, because the expediture is most likely over the possible gains.

    Beer_Bear [42111]

    Well we weren't fighting for money in the first place. Its ranked warring. Isn't the prize supposed to be ranking up?

    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    Debatable. Since there is no clear "world order" in the RW, the main reward from ranking up (if not the only one) is better rewards, and, if you are not fighting for rewards, i would say you are effectively fighting for nothing at all.
    The “world order” is the ranks right? Gaining silver, gold etc rank is the reward that some factions are going for. Me personally, I spent time RWing for cash, now I’m doing it for fun. Because hell, it’s a lot more fun than chaining.

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    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder.

    Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard.

    And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues.

    We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game.

    Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.
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    D3vl [710249]

    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder. Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard. And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues. We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game. Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.
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    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    So... Who is starting the bets on how many days this will last? This seems to have potential to go to #1 on most score in a RW... 20k more to go still though. At this point i think the only thing you guys are fighting for is bragging rights, because the expediture is most likely over the possible gains.

    Beer_Bear [42111]

    Well we weren't fighting for money in the first place. Its ranked warring. Isn't the prize supposed to be ranking up?

    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    Debatable. Since there is no clear "world order" in the RW, the main reward from ranking up (if not the only one) is better rewards, and, if you are not fighting for rewards, i would say you are effectively fighting for nothing at all.

    Lilith [1814138]

    That's one way to look at it, but most HOF war in their main shells to see how the faction stacks up against another. This slog fest continues because we as NS2 want to see if we can pull out a win against a perceived top 5 faction like pt. We always keep our caches for toys as well.
    Under normal circumstances, i think most would agree that PT, win or lose is still a step above NS II.

    So even as a way to see how someone stacks up is rather questionable... NS II is clearly better at using the given war system, that is clear by now...

    And PT needs to stack up their night shift as well as better manage their offliners... For someone with so many subs i would guess that after 2 days they would have placed a few doing damage control in the offliners by now... I mean, they might have a hard time doing that for their top few, but for the they could stop the hemorraging from the bulk of the faction while sleeping.

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    D3vl [710249]

    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder. Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard. And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues. We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game. Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.
    Damn. D3vl out there with his 250 FPS skill level. Must be a damned good monitor there I say for dem smooth gameplay.

    Definitely needed for a browser game.

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    PT is pulling back, but I think NS is gaining a bit more advantage through their sensible attacks.

    Just pump it!
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    D3vl [710249]

    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder. Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard. And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues. We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game. Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.

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    Damn. D3vl out there with his [b][size=24]250 FPS[/size][/b] skill level. Must be a damned good monitor there I say for dem smooth gameplay. Definitely needed for a browser game. 14/10 Would Recommend
    I mean he makes a great point on everything else

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    I mean he makes a great point on everything else
    I mean yeah, but no, not really. I’ll preface this by saying I agree ranked war isn’t in a good place and I agree changes need to be made, however.


    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again you can’t compare Torns ranked system to any other game I can think of. In almost any other game a new player with high skill (and probably 250+ fps) can rise to the top of the league in a season. In fact there are twitch channels dedicated to it.



    However there are so many enforced time gates on this game thats impossible. You could not reset today and be a top player in 3-6 months no matter what your skill or FPS because the game is designed to reward time played over skill (Not complaining that’s just how it is)


    I don’t know what the perfect system is, but pointing at StarCraft/Overwatch/LoL and saying “They can manage it it’s easy” is neither a solution nor a helpful arguement.
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    D3vl [710249]

    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder. Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard. And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues. We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game. Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.
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    D3vl [710249]

    Lets not forget, this is not a Ranked system. Its a flawed system pretending to be a lesgue/ladder. Chedburns lack of understand how a Rank system works brings us Ranked Warring. FFS just look at who reached Platinum league first. If I still had played professional Star craft 2 and seen a Bronze player reach Grand Master with their 20 APM skill level vs my 250++ APM and I kept on failing my promotion matchups in Master league (second highest league bellow GM) Id be super pissed at Blizzard. And now we have Silver hand reaches Plat and so many other noob factions in silver and gold. Factions who got no business being in the top leagues. We see the same idiotic thing here with Ranked warring as we seen how Rackets ruined the game. Soon now ched will have crashed his own game so much its no going back except a restart of the entire game. Hell he even caved in and updated the flying part. How long have he not been asked to do this? Last 10 years at least. It takes 10 years before chedburn wakes up and opens his eyes and admits things need to change.
    Hey D3vl,

    I just wanted to thank you for getting me 3rd place in the NS personals competition.

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    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    So... Who is starting the bets on how many days this will last? This seems to have potential to go to #1 on most score in a RW... 20k more to go still though. At this point i think the only thing you guys are fighting for is bragging rights, because the expediture is most likely over the possible gains.

    Beer_Bear [42111]

    Well we weren't fighting for money in the first place. Its ranked warring. Isn't the prize supposed to be ranking up?

    A_Mean_Person [1631303]

    Debatable. Since there is no clear "world order" in the RW, the main reward from ranking up (if not the only one) is better rewards, and, if you are not fighting for rewards, i would say you are effectively fighting for nothing at all.

    Lilith [1814138]

    That's one way to look at it, but most HOF war in their main shells to see how the faction stacks up against another. This slog fest continues because we as NS2 want to see if we can pull out a win against a perceived top 5 faction like pt. We always keep our caches for toys as well.
    I mean, the sentiment is good, but it hasn’t been 1v1 to see how you stand. It’s testing (effectively so) what happens when you have NS main and, weirdly enough, elements of Monarch assisting. Sure, there’s been some help from SR on our side, but that’s not the same.

    Mains assisting subs, as well as hiring mercs, works as a strategy. I’m not mad about that, at all. Just don’t pretend it’s just NS2 v PT-F.

    The above is more my frustrations with the RW system as Ched has it now, but that’s been beat to death in a dozen other threads.

    Edit:
    and to clarify, NS and NS2 are a collection of some of my favorite people in the game. The above is, by no means, a criticism of them.
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    I mean, the sentiment is good, but it hasn’t been 1v1 to see how you stand. It’s testing (effectively so) what happens when you have NS main and, weirdly enough, elements of Monarch assisting. Sure, there’s been some help from SR on our side, but that’s not the same. Mains assisting subs, as well as hiring mercs, works as a strategy. I’m not mad about that, at all. Just don’t pretend it’s just NS2 v PT-F. The above is more my frustrations with the RW system as Ched has it now, but that’s been beat to death in a dozen other threads. Edit: and to clarify, NS and NS2 are a collection of some of my favorite people in the game. The above is, by no means, a criticism of them.
    There's paid mercs on both sides and you know it :') I had Jamin, Prox, Poupado and Punish3r in all kinds of fights yesterday and MM out in SA doing merc work. It's a tactic deployed by both sides which is very understandable to prevent bleeding. It's something that's employable in this system to prevent bleeding, and I am not sure how a system can ever prevent all of that besides making people in wars unhittable

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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    I mean, the sentiment is good, but it hasn’t been 1v1 to see how you stand. It’s testing (effectively so) what happens when you have NS main and, weirdly enough, elements of Monarch assisting. Sure, there’s been some help from SR on our side, but that’s not the same. Mains assisting subs, as well as hiring mercs, works as a strategy. I’m not mad about that, at all. Just don’t pretend it’s just NS2 v PT-F. The above is more my frustrations with the RW system as Ched has it now, but that’s been beat to death in a dozen other threads. Edit: and to clarify, NS and NS2 are a collection of some of my favorite people in the game. The above is, by no means, a criticism of them.

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    There's paid mercs on both sides and you know it :') I had Jamin, Prox, Poupado and Punish3r in all kinds of fights yesterday and MM out in SA doing merc work. It's a tactic deployed by [i]both [/i]sides which is very understandable to prevent bleeding. It's something that's employable in this system to prevent bleeding, and I am not sure how a system can ever prevent all of that besides making people in wars unhittable [img]https://i.gyazo.com/694abd836229b89b9641ec3d2d6c5b1d.png[/img]
    I think the ideas of how a true 1v1 would work have been beat with a dead horse in other threads.

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    It's like chess, but with hospital food.




    Half the people in this thread:

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