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    Go Australia!

    'bout time.

    Canada needs to follow in this regard instead of buying used diesel electrics from the UK and elsewhere.

    Sorry France, but did you cry as hard when Canada cancelled the chopper contract? No? Oh right we paid hundreds of millions in cancellation fees.

    More needs to be done to confront the racial/national supremacy of China.

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    Posted on 18:05:24 - 18/09/21 (29 days ago)
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    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

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    Posted on 03:12:36 - 19/09/21 (28 days ago)
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    The former prime minister a conservative and a wanker signed a deal to spend a 50 billion aussie dollars on diesel submarines he should have  picked the Japanese bid as it was 10 billion cheaper  and the Japanese  already had them in their fleet so they  proven to work but no he picks the french as they promise to do like 70% of the construction in  Australia while the Japanese wanted to make the subs in japan.

    The french were going to take a nuclear submarine design and replace it with diesel engines a totally stupid idea and nearly 5 years later not a single submarine has been built .

    The french submarine choice was all about winning votes in the State of South Australia and since 2016 the price has jumped from 50 billion to 90 billion for that shitty idea.

    Our current leader is also a conservative wanker who likes to to think hes relevant on the world stage.

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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.
    nah stuff the french remember they sank the rainbow warrior killed that guy on it they have a habit of breaking deals themselves

    the french let them out of prison when they shouldnt have and tried to cover it all up


    France initially denied responsibility, but two French agents were captured by New Zealand Police and charged with arson, conspiracy to commit arson, willful damage, and murder. The scandal resulted in the resignation of the French Defence Minister Charles Hernu, while the two agents pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to ten years in prison. They spent a little over two years confined to the French island of Hao before being freed by the French government

    Once it was realised that the bombing was the action of the government of a friendly state, the New Zealand government stopped referring to it as a "terrorist act", instead calling it "a criminal attack in breach of the international law of state responsibility, committed on New Zealand sovereign territory". The "breach of international law" aspect was referred to in all communications with the United Nations

    in order to dissuade any arguments from the French government that might imply justification for their act.[citation needed]
    Prieur and Mafart pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to 10 years imprisonment on 22 November 1985. France threatened an economic embargo of New Zealand's exports to the European Economic Community if the pair were not released.[16] Such an action would have crippled the New Zealand economy, which was dependent on agricultural exports to the United Kingdom.[citation needed]


    France launched their own commission of enquiry headed by Bernard Tricot [fr] which declared the French government innocent of any involvement in the terrorist act, claiming that the arrested agents, who had not yet pleaded guilty, had merely been spying on Greenpeace. When The Times and Le Monde contradicted these findings by claiming that President Mitterrand had approved the bombing, Defence Minister Charles Hernu resigned and the head of the DGSE, Admiral Pierre Lacoste, was fired. Eventually Prime Minister Laurent Fabius admitted the bombing had been a French plot: on 22 September 1985, he summoned journalists to his office to read a 200-word statement in which he said: "The truth is cruel," and acknowledged there had been a cover-up; he went on to say that "Agents of the French secret service sank this boat. They were acting on orders."[17]

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    I thought this thread was going to be about sandwiches smh.
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    I hope they have enough space in the galley to store all the extra vegemite they will need

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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.
    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

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    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.
    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

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    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.
    Fair enough, But just because they changed their mine for a Clearly better option. Doesn't mean the French should recall all diplomats from Australia and US like Children. That's just silliness,

    Edit: Sure they could of gone about it better but, Really the world is an ever evolving situation.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.

    Johnox [66901]

    Fair enough, But just because they changed their mine for a Clearly better option. Doesn't mean the French should recall all diplomats from Australia and US like Children. That's just silliness,

    Edit: Sure they could of gone about it better but, Really the world is an ever evolving situation.
    The diplomat things and the angry from the french government is a little more complicated thant just the subs deal.

    We have territory and citizen in the indo-pacific region and Australian and France add a cooperation part in the deal between our two country for our common geo political strategy in the region. The anger came from the fact our NATO allies and old friends America (and our centuries favorite loved ennemy UK) just ignore us and put in the trash our interest in the region with AUKUS.

    You can maybe add a little salt in all of this for the lack of efficiency of our intelligence service too.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.

    Johnox [66901]

    Fair enough, But just because they changed their mine for a Clearly better option. Doesn't mean the French should recall all diplomats from Australia and US like Children. That's just silliness,

    Edit: Sure they could of gone about it better but, Really the world is an ever evolving situation.

    Poussky [2578080]

    The diplomat things and the angry from the french government is a little more complicated thant just the subs deal.

    We have territory and citizen in the indo-pacific region and Australian and France add a cooperation part in the deal between our two country for our common geo political strategy in the region. The anger came from the fact our NATO allies and old friends America (and our centuries favorite loved ennemy UK) just ignore us and put in the trash our interest in the region with AUKUS.

    You can maybe add a little salt in all of this for the lack of efficiency of our intelligence service too.
    incorrect assessment

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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.
    Yes in that 5 years the price jumped from  50 billion Australian to 90 Billion  Australian for 12 diesel submarines.

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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.

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    Yes in that 5 years the price jumped from 50 billion Australian to 90 Billion Australian for 12 diesel submarines.
    That's possible, I don't know the deal in detail and don't follow it closely. But for what I know, Australia and France have made multiple changes in the contract over the years to fit as much as possible the needs of the two partners, and visibly, the changes bring some additional cost, obviously.

    My goal here is not to defend blindly my country and my government, I just want to bring some informations I read and maybe understand to the discussion about all this mess, that's all. I can't disagree about the fact France have made mistakes in this, as the Australians, the UK, and the US.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.

    Collete [1389080]

    Yes in that 5 years the price jumped from 50 billion Australian to 90 Billion Australian for 12 diesel submarines.

    Poussky [2578080]

    That's possible, I don't know the deal in detail and don't follow it closely. But for what I know, Australia and France have made multiple changes in the contract over the years to fit as much as possible the needs of the two partners, and visibly, the changes bring some additional cost, obviously.

    My goal here is not to defend blindly my country and my government, I just want to bring some informations I read and maybe understand to the discussion about all this mess, that's all. I can't disagree about the fact France have made mistakes in this, as the Australians, the UK, and the US.
    Yet as early as September 2018, an independent oversight board led by a former U.S. Secretary of the Navy Donald Winter had advised Australia to look at alternatives to the French submarine, and questioned whether the project was in the national interest, a 2020 public report from the country’s Auditor-General shows.

    The deal was first announced in 2016. A pre-design review was delayed in 2018 because the "work provided to Defence by Naval Group did not meet Defence's requirements", the audit said, citing lack of design detail, operational requirements and 63 studies not completed.
    The contract between Australia and Naval Group, majority owned by the French government, was signed 16 months late in February 2019.

    It included contractual off-ramps in which Australia could pay to exit the project, and established "control gates" whereby Naval Group must meet criteria before progressing to the next phase. The defence department considered these "hold points" for assessing the project's risk, the auditor-general said.

    A French lawmaker also raised questions in the country’s parliament in June about Australian concerns over delays, and whether Australia might be considering submarine alternatives, French government records show.

    https://news.rtsptl.com/france-submarine-projects-delay-cost-concerns-appear-in-australian-documents/

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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    Johnox [66901]

    IF they cannot produce a single sub in what 5 years?.....they shouldn't be compensated a penny.... or i guess a dollar
    Since it seems US will be funding the operation based on UK Designs...because UK current subs use less man power...where current US subs use about 40% more man power than the UK counterparts... and Aussie this being their first nuke subs they might not have the man power for the US designs.

    Poussky [2578080]

    I look at this thread with a distant eye, but I can't refrain myself to explain something when I read your first sentence.

    It's a long term program, and like the US nuklear engine subs are planned for at least 2040, the french diesel one was planned for 2030. The past five years was used to design and respond to the need of the customer, the Australians.

    And I quote something who can maybe explain a little the french anger, from the French military minister :

    "On the same day as the #AUKUS announcement, the Australians wrote to France to say that they were satisfied with the submarine's achievable performance and with the progress of the program. In short: forward to launching the next phase of the contract."
    Source : twitter, @HerveGrandjean, Porte-parole du ministère des Armées (Spokeperson for the ministry of the armed forces)

    So no, the French doesn't break the contract, and yes, we can expect some compensations for all this mess.

    Collete [1389080]

    Yes in that 5 years the price jumped from 50 billion Australian to 90 Billion Australian for 12 diesel submarines.

    Poussky [2578080]

    That's possible, I don't know the deal in detail and don't follow it closely. But for what I know, Australia and France have made multiple changes in the contract over the years to fit as much as possible the needs of the two partners, and visibly, the changes bring some additional cost, obviously.

    My goal here is not to defend blindly my country and my government, I just want to bring some informations I read and maybe understand to the discussion about all this mess, that's all. I can't disagree about the fact France have made mistakes in this, as the Australians, the UK, and the US.

    Collete [1389080]

    Yet as early as September 2018, an independent oversight board led by a former U.S. Secretary of the Navy Donald Winter had advised Australia to look at alternatives to the French submarine, and questioned whether the project was in the national interest, a 2020 public report from the country’s Auditor-General shows.

    The deal was first announced in 2016. A pre-design review was delayed in 2018 because the "work provided to Defence by Naval Group did not meet Defence's requirements", the audit said, citing lack of design detail, operational requirements and 63 studies not completed.
    The contract between Australia and Naval Group, majority owned by the French government, was signed 16 months late in February 2019.

    It included contractual off-ramps in which Australia could pay to exit the project, and established "control gates" whereby Naval Group must meet criteria before progressing to the next phase. The defence department considered these "hold points" for assessing the project's risk, the auditor-general said.

    A French lawmaker also raised questions in the country’s parliament in June about Australian concerns over delays, and whether Australia might be considering submarine alternatives, French government records show.

    https://news.rtsptl.com/france-submarine-projects-delay-cost-concerns-appear-in-australian-documents/
    thank you, that's interresting
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.
    More like the subs will never be used. The first sub is slated to be ready in 20 years time. 20 years. By that time the sub would be woefully obsolete.
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    I think this is just the US/UK making a statement to China. We are supplying a ally in the region with nuclear powered subs.

    They will never be used in anger.

    Its just for show.

    France should of course be compensated. Its the right thing to do.

    France looking at it is a more 'important' ally to the us and uk. Austrialia is just 'close to the action' and we had to make a statement.

    Looking from the uk i think France should be showed a LOT more respect than they are currently shown.

    TaiHaiChen [2617022]

    More like the subs will never be used. The first sub is slated to be ready in 20 years time. 20 years. By that time the sub would be woefully obsolete.
    Better tell the chinese government that they seem a little upset .

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    I understand that the French are pissed off but shit happens. I am very happy our leaders have made the choice that is in our best defence interests.

    At the end of the day there was.only 5 countries running near subs. Now there will be 6. If tje French had offered us nuclear subs they would still have a contract but they didn't want to share that tech with Oz.

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