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    New studies, as reported in NPR news, shows that that "hybrid" immunity creates a "super immune system" capable of protecting a person against currently known COVID strains and new strains not yet in circulation. 

    People acquire this super-immunity if first infected with the coronavirus and then immunized a mRNA vaccine. The people in the case studies had been infected in 2020 and then immunized in 2021.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals

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    So who is capable of mounting this "superhuman" or "hybrid" immune response?

    People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. "Those people have amazing responses to the vaccine," says virologist Theodora Hatziioannou at Rockefeller University, who also helped lead several of the studies. "I think they are in the best position to fight the virus. The antibodies in these people's blood can even neutralize SARS-CoV-1, the first coronavirus, which emerged 20 years ago. That virus is very, very different from SARS-CoV-2."

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    So there is still a reason to get the vaccine even if you've had COVID. Sadly, this type of immunity is only available to people previously infected. But a jab now (if you've already had COVID) would mean protection in case there's an especially dangerous mutation in the future.

    A group of these people were tested specifically for future mutations. A virus was engineered, on purpose, to be highly resistant to neutralization (and have no other side effects).

    From the article: This (lab) virus contained 20 mutations that are known to prevent SARS-CoV-2 antibodies from binding to it. Antibodies from people who were only vaccinated or who only had prior coronavirus infections were essentially useless against this mutant virus. But antibodies in people with the "hybrid immunity" could neutralize it.
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    That is good news, thanks for sharing, I like the conclusion of the article, gives good hopes for the future:

    "So a third dose of the vaccine would presumably give those antibodies a boost and push the evolution of the antibodies further, Wherry says. So a person will be better equipped to fight off whatever variant the virus puts out there next."

    "Based on all these findings, it looks like the immune system is eventually going to have the edge over this virus," says Bieniasz, of Rockefeller University. "And if we're lucky, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually fall into that category of viruses that gives us only a mild cold."
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    Posted on 16:17:53 - 08/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    That is good news, thanks for sharing, I like the conclusion of the article, gives good hopes for the future:

    "So a third dose of the vaccine would presumably give those antibodies a boost and push the evolution of the antibodies further, Wherry says. So a person will be better equipped to fight off whatever variant the virus puts out there next."

    "Based on all these findings, it looks like the immune system is eventually going to have the edge over this virus," says Bieniasz, of Rockefeller University. "And if we're lucky, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually fall into that category of viruses that gives us only a mild cold."
    What has not been studied is people who have gotten the vaccine and then gotten a mild case of COVID afterwards. It wouldn't surprise me if these people also had strong immunity. 

    With other diseases like polio, everyone (in first world countries) got vaccinated in the past, and then children being born would also be vaccinated. And polio is mostly eradicated today (still a few pockets left). If someone was not vaccinated and then got exposed to polio, they'd have a chance of catching it, and a small chance of being paralyzed or dying. Humans are not born "immune" to polio.

    An interesting aside, in the poorest parts of the world without modern sanitation, all infants were exposed to polio in the past. Some infants did die, but infants had a much better chance of surviving polio and they then had a naturally acquired immunity to it.

    However, if vaccination then occurred in an area and interrupted transmission, so that a person was not exposed as an infant and then got exposed later in life, they did not have the immunity acquired in infancy and were then at risk.

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/194/11/1619/916374

    From the article (on polio):
    Since the introduction of the WHO vaccination campaign, the situation has changed. If there is reinfection in a country where the wild virus has been removed, the first contact is no longer during infancy but later, during childhood or adolescence. Then these children or adolescents, not being fully protected by vaccination, are likely to become paralyzed.

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    However, getting COVID alone does not provide a lifelong immunity as is the case with polio. It sounds like a combination of getting COVID and a vaccine does provide that more permanent form of protection.


    Note: I'm not equating COVID to polio. However, a few articles have been written comparing the two.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/08/lessons-from-the-past-and-present-for-controlling-covid-19-polio/

    https://www.consultant360.com/article/pediatrics/tale-two-viruses-poliomyelitis-and-covid-19

    http://www.polioplace.org/sites/default/files/files/Comparing%20the%20Polio%20and%20Coronavirus%20Epidemics.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1bjr8Pk3Yi3k7aURiD2_QvVsvnUF75dXxyRjGKBINxtG53EuslRATFHoI
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    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

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    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying
    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying
    I'm sure this is true for a lot of people but isn't definite. I had mild COVID sometime in September 2020 (didn't get tested, but was sick for a few days and lost taste and smell for months and I don't know of anything else that would cause that.) Got vaccinated in May or so this year - had zero reaction other than a slightly sore arm and being tired for 3 or so days after both shots of Moderna.
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

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    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.
    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!
    They don't die all the time. And you don't have any data to back your claims up. 

    The data is showing a severe difference in infection and death from vaccinated and unvaccinated, and it's not looking good for the unvaccinated.
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

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    I'm sure this is true for a lot of people but isn't definite. I had mild COVID sometime in September 2020 (didn't get tested, but was sick for a few days and lost taste and smell for months and I don't know of anything else that would cause that.) Got vaccinated in May or so this year - had zero reaction other than a slightly sore arm and being tired for 3 or so days after both shots of Moderna.
    Yea, it's kinda a case by case basis.

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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!
    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

    JayBragga [1874267]

    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.
    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens 

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

    JayBragga [1874267]

    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.

    Sticky [1318199]

    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions
    Except we have isolated the virus....

    Paper 1

    Paper 2

    Which other communicable disease kills more than 3 in 1000 right now? In the US we're already at 1 in 500 dead from this virus so it will probably be much worse when all is said and done.
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    Petite_Merde [2270208]

    I know that for me and in my experiences, those who have previously had covid have a harsher reaction to the vaccine giving them flue like symptoms for a day at least, this is going off of experience of friends, and family that we know have previously had covid and gotten the vaccine, sorry if this is in any way annoying

    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

    JayBragga [1874267]

    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.

    Sticky [1318199]

    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Except we have isolated the virus....

    Paper 1

    Paper 2

    Which other communicable disease kills more than 3 in 1000 right now? In the US we're already at 1 in 500 dead from this virus so it will probably be much worse when all is said and done.
    lol no posting on cdc isnt the place where medical research n outcome is placed and checked try again
    1 in 500 thats not true at al, and also many deaths from other issues are reported as covid deaths. But all who haven taken the jab will become infertile and wont live over 5 years ...as the gene therapie puts a spike proteine in your cell and your own body will attack that proteine but can only do so tokill that cell, means your imune systems drops and your body will kill its own..go ahead take a messenger RNA jab

    cancer...for example and besides that the flue nor the CONVID are contaigious as a virus cant spread airborne at all it needs a living host...check the germ theorie LIE from L pasteur
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    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

    JayBragga [1874267]

    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.

    Sticky [1318199]

    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Except we have isolated the virus....

    Paper 1

    Paper 2

    Which other communicable disease kills more than 3 in 1000 right now? In the US we're already at 1 in 500 dead from this virus so it will probably be much worse when all is said and done.

    Sticky [1318199]

    lol no posting on cdc isnt the place where medical research n outcome is placed and checked try again
    1 in 500 thats not true at al, and also many deaths from other issues are reported as covid deaths. But all who haven taken the jab will become infertile and wont live over 5 years ...as the gene therapie puts a spike proteine in your cell and your own body will attack that proteine but can only do so tokill that cell, means your imune systems drops and your body will kill its own..go ahead take a messenger RNA jab

    cancer...for example and besides that the flue nor the CONVID are contaigious as a virus cant spread airborne at all it needs a living host...check the germ theorie LIE from L pasteur
    Did you have an aneurism and stroke out trying to respond to this? Jesus dude, spelling and grammar. Not liking the CDC? Maybe you'll like Canada better. 

    1 in 500 is true. The US population is 333,352,517. Divide that by 500 and you get 666,705. Currently Johns Hopkins is reporting 673,585 deaths in America. So my point stands. And no, there are not "many deaths" being reported as COVID deaths. This argument is very April 2020... time to get a new one my friend.

    I think you're going to be very disappointed when your world view is shattered in 5 years time when everyone who got a vaccine is still alive and very much fertile.

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    CRLF [2095076]

    Well, it makes sense. The reaction to the vaccine is your immune system recognizing the virus. It just means your body has seen it before, which is why the second dose of the vaccine has more of a reaction than the first.

    Most vaccines do have some symptoms associated with them. I got a tetanus booster shot last year and didn't feel well afterwards. But the effect doesn't last very long.

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

    JayBragga [1874267]

    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.

    Sticky [1318199]

    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Except we have isolated the virus....

    Paper 1

    Paper 2

    Which other communicable disease kills more than 3 in 1000 right now? In the US we're already at 1 in 500 dead from this virus so it will probably be much worse when all is said and done.

    Sticky [1318199]

    lol no posting on cdc isnt the place where medical research n outcome is placed and checked try again
    1 in 500 thats not true at al, and also many deaths from other issues are reported as covid deaths. But all who haven taken the jab will become infertile and wont live over 5 years ...as the gene therapie puts a spike proteine in your cell and your own body will attack that proteine but can only do so tokill that cell, means your imune systems drops and your body will kill its own..go ahead take a messenger RNA jab

    cancer...for example and besides that the flue nor the CONVID are contaigious as a virus cant spread airborne at all it needs a living host...check the germ theorie LIE from L pasteur
    Won't live over 5 years geez thats gone up from the we all dying in 2 years if we take it :p


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    I think it's obvious now after last nights gathering of elitist snobs.  All you need is a Emmy nomination and your are excluded from having to wear a mask OR even from catching it.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    That is good news, thanks for sharing, I like the conclusion of the article, gives good hopes for the future:

    "So a third dose of the vaccine would presumably give those antibodies a boost and push the evolution of the antibodies further, Wherry says. So a person will be better equipped to fight off whatever variant the virus puts out there next."

    "Based on all these findings, it looks like the immune system is eventually going to have the edge over this virus," says Bieniasz, of Rockefeller University. "And if we're lucky, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually fall into that category of viruses that gives us only a mild cold."

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    What has not been studied is people who have gotten the vaccine and then gotten a mild case of COVID afterwards. It wouldn't surprise me if these people also had strong immunity.

    With other diseases like polio, everyone (in first world countries) got vaccinated in the past, and then children being born would also be vaccinated. And polio is mostly eradicated today (still a few pockets left). If someone was not vaccinated and then got exposed to polio, they'd have a chance of catching it, and a small chance of being paralyzed or dying. Humans are not born "immune" to polio.

    An interesting aside, in the poorest parts of the world without modern sanitation, all infants were exposed to polio in the past. Some infants did die, but infants had a much better chance of surviving polio and they then had a naturally acquired immunity to it.

    However, if vaccination then occurred in an area and interrupted transmission, so that a person was not exposed as an infant and then got exposed later in life, they did not have the immunity acquired in infancy and were then at risk.

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/194/11/1619/916374

    From the article (on polio):
    Since the introduction of the WHO vaccination campaign, the situation has changed. If there is reinfection in a country where the wild virus has been removed, the first contact is no longer during infancy but later, during childhood or adolescence. Then these children or adolescents, not being fully protected by vaccination, are likely to become paralyzed.

    --------------

    However, getting COVID alone does not provide a lifelong immunity as is the case with polio. It sounds like a combination of getting COVID and a vaccine does provide that more permanent form of protection.


    Note: I'm not equating COVID to polio. However, a few articles have been written comparing the two.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/08/lessons-from-the-past-and-present-for-controlling-covid-19-polio/

    https://www.consultant360.com/article/pediatrics/tale-two-viruses-poliomyelitis-and-covid-19

    http://www.polioplace.org/sites/default/files/files/Comparing%20the%20Polio%20and%20Coronavirus%20Epidemics.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1bjr8Pk3Yi3k7aURiD2_QvVsvnUF75dXxyRjGKBINxtG53EuslRATFHoI
    Your suspicions are generally observed to be correct. We've studied this with flu exposure and the flu vaccine as well. Each year, if you are exposed to the flu or get a flu vaccine, your body retains information from those antibodies and uses it to fight future strains - kind of like an immune memory. So, a person who gets the flu vaccine 10 years in a row will have a better chance of fighting off any new strains than a person who rarely catches the flu or gets the vaccine. Just the same, a person who gets the flu 10 years in a row will also have a more effective immune response to a new strain of the flu than the person who never gets the vaccine or flu. This has also been observed in the past with other viral diseases like polio. 

    This will definitely come in handy down the line since it doesn't look like COVID is going anywhere. For those of us who haven't gotten the disease, the vaccine provides a solid baseline for your immune system to fight the original version of the virus, as well as future variants. I imagine that in the future, depending on the prevalence of the disease we'll likely be offering yearly polyvalent vaccines just like the flu. And if you're consistent with getting those vaccines, the less likely you will be to spread and contract the virus. If you do contract it then, your symptoms will be less severe. We can also predict that the severity of new strains will vary, much like the flu, so some years will be more deadly than others.

    Ultimately those who choose to forego the vaccine and end up contracting the disease (and survive, since it seems to be a bit of a lottery) will build similar baseline levels of immunity to the disease as long as their immune system function is adequate. Unfortunately some of the people contracting the disease for the first time will have severe symptoms, and will not survive due to a number of complications that we've seen are possible with the disease. I imagine some of the worst complications to deal with are cytokine storm and some hardy opportunistic secondary infections, but I'm not a healthcare practitioner so I don't have direct experience with that aspect of it. That being said, we'll also get better at treating the disease the longer we have to deal with it, which does work in their favor.

    Frankly though, I just hope that any new diseases that happen to show up are nipped in the bud to begin with like they should be. God help us if we begin to see some sort of airborne hemorrhagic fever or something like Tuberculosis 2: Electric Boogaloo. The easier a disease is to spread and the longer the incubation time is, the harder it is to catch preemptively. Especially if it's spreadable prior to serious symptoms appearing. :(

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    Capgros [2088627]

    That is good news, thanks for sharing, I like the conclusion of the article, gives good hopes for the future:

    "So a third dose of the vaccine would presumably give those antibodies a boost and push the evolution of the antibodies further, Wherry says. So a person will be better equipped to fight off whatever variant the virus puts out there next."

    "Based on all these findings, it looks like the immune system is eventually going to have the edge over this virus," says Bieniasz, of Rockefeller University. "And if we're lucky, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually fall into that category of viruses that gives us only a mild cold."

    CRLF [2095076]

    What has not been studied is people who have gotten the vaccine and then gotten a mild case of COVID afterwards. It wouldn't surprise me if these people also had strong immunity.

    With other diseases like polio, everyone (in first world countries) got vaccinated in the past, and then children being born would also be vaccinated. And polio is mostly eradicated today (still a few pockets left). If someone was not vaccinated and then got exposed to polio, they'd have a chance of catching it, and a small chance of being paralyzed or dying. Humans are not born "immune" to polio.

    An interesting aside, in the poorest parts of the world without modern sanitation, all infants were exposed to polio in the past. Some infants did die, but infants had a much better chance of surviving polio and they then had a naturally acquired immunity to it.

    However, if vaccination then occurred in an area and interrupted transmission, so that a person was not exposed as an infant and then got exposed later in life, they did not have the immunity acquired in infancy and were then at risk.

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/194/11/1619/916374

    From the article (on polio):
    Since the introduction of the WHO vaccination campaign, the situation has changed. If there is reinfection in a country where the wild virus has been removed, the first contact is no longer during infancy but later, during childhood or adolescence. Then these children or adolescents, not being fully protected by vaccination, are likely to become paralyzed.

    --------------

    However, getting COVID alone does not provide a lifelong immunity as is the case with polio. It sounds like a combination of getting COVID and a vaccine does provide that more permanent form of protection.


    Note: I'm not equating COVID to polio. However, a few articles have been written comparing the two.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/08/lessons-from-the-past-and-present-for-controlling-covid-19-polio/

    https://www.consultant360.com/article/pediatrics/tale-two-viruses-poliomyelitis-and-covid-19

    http://www.polioplace.org/sites/default/files/files/Comparing%20the%20Polio%20and%20Coronavirus%20Epidemics.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1bjr8Pk3Yi3k7aURiD2_QvVsvnUF75dXxyRjGKBINxtG53EuslRATFHoI

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    Your suspicions are generally observed to be correct. We've studied this with flu exposure and the flu vaccine as well. Each year, if you are exposed to the flu or get a flu vaccine, your body retains information from those antibodies and uses it to fight future strains - kind of like an immune memory. So, a person who gets the flu vaccine 10 years in a row will have a better chance of fighting off any new strains than a person who rarely catches the flu or gets the vaccine. Just the same, a person who gets the flu 10 years in a row will also have a more effective immune response to a new strain of the flu than the person who never gets the vaccine or flu. This has also been observed in the past with other viral diseases like polio.

    This will definitely come in handy down the line since it doesn't look like COVID is going anywhere. For those of us who haven't gotten the disease, the vaccine provides a solid baseline for your immune system to fight the original version of the virus, as well as future variants. I imagine that in the future, depending on the prevalence of the disease we'll likely be offering yearly polyvalent vaccines just like the flu. And if you're consistent with getting those vaccines, the less likely you will be to spread and contract the virus. If you do contract it then, your symptoms will be less severe. We can also predict that the severity of new strains will vary, much like the flu, so some years will be more deadly than others.

    Ultimately those who choose to forego the vaccine and end up contracting the disease (and survive, since it seems to be a bit of a lottery) will build similar baseline levels of immunity to the disease as long as their immune system function is adequate. Unfortunately some of the people contracting the disease for the first time will have severe symptoms, and will not survive due to a number of complications that we've seen are possible with the disease. I imagine some of the worst complications to deal with are cytokine storm and some hardy opportunistic secondary infections, but I'm not a healthcare practitioner so I don't have direct experience with that aspect of it. That being said, we'll also get better at treating the disease the longer we have to deal with it, which does work in their favor.

    Frankly though, I just hope that any new diseases that happen to show up are nipped in the bud to begin with like they should be. God help us if we begin to see some sort of airborne hemorrhagic fever or something like Tuberculosis 2: Electric Boogaloo. The easier a disease is to spread and the longer the incubation time is, the harder it is to catch preemptively. Especially if it's spreadable prior to serious symptoms appearing. :(
    Thanks, great reply. You may not be a physician but you sound like a virologist. One doesn't expect to have a discussion about disease pathogenesis in an online RPG, lol. But then, these are strange times.

    It's hard to say today whether ten years from now a covid vaccine will just be part of childhood immunizations, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was. By then (ten years) nearly all adults will either be vaccinated (and boosted) or lucky survivors of the virus, leaving very few with any real vulnerability to it.

    It's easy to express confidence for conditions ten years out. What's harder to do is predict what happens in the next couple of years. We are just a few mutations away from unpleasant circumstances, and that will just come down to chance. The virus is already sufficiently infectious, it just needs to be more deadly. Or the current variant could be overtaken by a more contagious but less disruptive variant and diminish.

    Perhaps there is already historical evidence from previous virus evolution to predict likely outcomes, but if there is I haven't heard of it.
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    Oh that's the reason people die from immune response reactions all the time from these covid jabs, thanks Dr. CRLF!

    I can sleep with a clear conscience again tonight for sure, jolly

    I'll make appointments for all my children and pets too!

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    Don't you just love all the expert google searchers. Its a chemical their trying to sell you. I'll take my chances since i've already had covid.

    Sticky [1318199]

    its funny they have never ISOLATED THE VIRUS, you need to otherwise you cant make a vaccine..And when you would have islolated it , it would be published for medical experts to check and to do studies on...No person can hand over the findings of the convid isolation so all other talk is nonsens

    and besides that its not a vaccine its GENE THERAPIE...thats a totally different thing...

    yea go create a medical apartheid...for a so called invisible enemie that kills prob around 3 in 1000 ...there are illnesses that kill more let alone human actions..like wars or abortions

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    Except we have isolated the virus....

    Paper 1

    Paper 2

    Which other communicable disease kills more than 3 in 1000 right now? In the US we're already at 1 in 500 dead from this virus so it will probably be much worse when all is said and done.

    Sticky [1318199]

    lol no posting on cdc isnt the place where medical research n outcome is placed and checked try again
    1 in 500 thats not true at al, and also many deaths from other issues are reported as covid deaths. But all who haven taken the jab will become infertile and wont live over 5 years ...as the gene therapie puts a spike proteine in your cell and your own body will attack that proteine but can only do so tokill that cell, means your imune systems drops and your body will kill its own..go ahead take a messenger RNA jab

    cancer...for example and besides that the flue nor the CONVID are contaigious as a virus cant spread airborne at all it needs a living host...check the germ theorie LIE from L pasteur

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    Won't live over 5 years geez thats gone up from the we all dying in 2 years if we take it :p


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    first, it was 1-2 months. then "next year" then 2-3

    now it's 5 years.

    it's funny how they are already preparing for their own mistakes.

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    Yeah I'm sure these federal employees and the coworkers that work with her are all liars. Yaup. What these nurse have to say goes against you confirmation bias but these are nurses not doctors so what respect do they deserve if any at all? Nurse pfft

    Whistleblowers willing to risk their Job? Must just be attention whores right?

    It dont really matter. I'm sure peoples faith in psudeo-skepticism will protect them from any adverse effects,covids, and , logic.

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