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    Posted on 17:00:41 - 18/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    Update: Kidnap Woman appears to be equal or perhaps slightly better than Arson Warehouse from both a money and a CE gain perspective. Also, every Kidnap Woman fail is a Red fail so make sure you have more than $45k on hand at all times!

    There's a lot of good info out there on crimes regarding both the success chance and the Crime Experience (CE) gain of specific crimes. With these 2 pieces of info we can determine just how efficient certain crimes are for increasing CE and earning monay.

    The data supports the general consensus that Arson Warehouse (AW) is the best crime for CE gain which will be used as the standard. The table below shows the rate of CE gain for other common crimes in comparison to AW. These values include the CE loss due to a failure resulting in jail time with a value equal to 20x the CE of a success (10x if in a Meat Warehouse). This chart is intended to give you an idea of how much longer it will take to reach a certain CE milestones if you are doing crimes other than Warehouse Arson. Additional crimes will be added as more data is made available.

    As an example, if you use all of your daily nerve doing Kidnapping Mayor, your CE will increase at about 75% the rate that it would if you were only doing AW.

    One last note: these success rates assume you are at the success cap of each crime. No one really knows exactly where that cap is but most people estimate this to be at 45 NNB. As such, success rates will vary, particularly for people with less than 45 NNB.




    Assumptions:
    • Most CE values come from the Crime Experience newspaper article by Biggles found here
    • GTA - Parked Car CE gain similar to other GTA crimes, per Biggles
    • Crime success rates from malibukenny or myself
    • n is total number of attempts
    -Nila

    Wollongong [12833]

    Am I reading this correctly that transportation of Amphetamine still has a nett positive CE gain of roughly 1/4th of warehouse?

    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    yep, its all based on the 1:20 ratio so it might be a little more or less depending on the true ratio but it should be a net positive CE crime

    Wollongong [12833]

    And here I was thinking it had a negative return. Noice
    Drug crimes used to be CE negative back when you would lose a percentage of your CE with a Jailing.  Since the change to a capped "20x" the gain from a success, its actually a CE positive crime.
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    Posted on 17:22:00 - 18/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    VM3Paradox [2572110]

    I have a question I see a lot of guides on hacking for money does this mean you can get your way to 60NNB doing FBI hacking at 35-40nnb but since FBI gives more ce relative to arson surely you could theoretically hit 60NNB from it?

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    When you fail a crime and go to jail (Red Fail), you lose CE equal to 20x the CE of a success. If you Red Fail 5 times out of 105 attempts (about 5%), you will have net of 0 CE. The Meat Warehouse 3* passive benefit cuts CE losses due to crime Red Failures by 50%.

    FBI hacking has a Red Failure rate of over 5%, meaning you will lose CE if you only do FBI hacking if you are not working in a 3* or better Meat Warehouse.
    FBI hacking in a 3* or better Meat Warehouse will allow growth, but at 40% the rate of Arsons (as shown in the table above).

    EDIT: Made clear this meant Red fails.

    Tidra [2674189]

    Are we talking failing the crime (blue) or getting Jailed (red) that you lose CE?

    DaDood [2204689]

    I meant red fails. Edited original post for clarity.
    Blue Failures have no impact on CE - no gain or loss of CE.
    What about red fails that sent you to hospital instead of jail. Do they affect our CE?
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    Posted on 17:31:40 - 18/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    VM3Paradox [2572110]

    I have a question I see a lot of guides on hacking for money does this mean you can get your way to 60NNB doing FBI hacking at 35-40nnb but since FBI gives more ce relative to arson surely you could theoretically hit 60NNB from it?

    DaDood [2204689]

    When you fail a crime and go to jail (Red Fail), you lose CE equal to 20x the CE of a success. If you Red Fail 5 times out of 105 attempts (about 5%), you will have net of 0 CE. The Meat Warehouse 3* passive benefit cuts CE losses due to crime Red Failures by 50%.

    FBI hacking has a Red Failure rate of over 5%, meaning you will lose CE if you only do FBI hacking if you are not working in a 3* or better Meat Warehouse.
    FBI hacking in a 3* or better Meat Warehouse will allow growth, but at 40% the rate of Arsons (as shown in the table above).

    EDIT: Made clear this meant Red fails.

    Tidra [2674189]

    Are we talking failing the crime (blue) or getting Jailed (red) that you lose CE?

    DaDood [2204689]

    I meant red fails. Edited original post for clarity.
    Blue Failures have no impact on CE - no gain or loss of CE.

    Triple68 [2660601]

    What about red fails that sent you to hospital instead of jail. Do they affect our CE?
    Supposedly, yes but no one has ever been able to measure how much it effects CE.  Its extremely difficult to measure the effect of a single crime result due to the limited ways we have to measure CE. 

    Any negative effects of a hospital fail just get baked into the estimated CE gain for the successes.
    Last edited by VanilaNightmare on 17:31:55 - 18/08/21
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    Posted on 00:35:36 - 30/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    10% Crime success from EDU JOB
    No 10% from PSY DEGREE
    21% crime success from merits
    Have the enhancer item (Advanced Driving Manual)

    302 Attempts of Transport Amphetamines
    48 crime fail - blue 14.9%
    5 jails 1.65%
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    Posted on 17:31:18 - 04/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Bump due to addition of Kidnap Woman data, indicating a nearly equal CE gain crime to Arson Warehouse!  Just make sure you carry cash on hand at all times.

    Thanks to Kafia for the tip!
    Last edited by VanilaNightmare on 17:31:56 - 04/09/21
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    Posted on 22:36:43 - 08/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    Bump due to addition of Kidnap Woman data, indicating a nearly equal CE gain crime to Arson Warehouse! Just make sure you carry cash on hand at all times.

    Thanks to Kafia for the tip!
    Very exciting!  Wish I'd known that back when I hit 10k arsons, but now I have to decide speed merits or max CE while getting them...

    VS

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    Posted on 07:22:15 - 10/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    I've often seen guides or received advice that said that Transporting Cocaine was the best drug crime. Was any testing done in comparison to one drug to another?
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    Posted on 14:39:42 - 10/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Signi_Blackburn [2444803]

    I've often seen guides or received advice that said that Transporting Cocaine was the best drug crime. Was any testing done in comparison to one drug to another?
    Transporting Cocaine and Transporting Amphetamines are very close in regards to both success rate and CE impact, though Transporting Amphetamines has a slight edge in both categories.  You can reference Andyman's guide here
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    Posted on 15:52:50 - 11/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Awesome information here. I was wondering if anyone knows: 

    Do the red Kidnap fails reset the threshold for being arrested (warrant value) even if you bribe your way out of going to jail?

    The wiki says "
    Being jailed (by any means) resets your warrant value completely." but it could also be any Red fail resets warrant value. The wiki could just be someone conflating jailed with red fails (since only Kidnap lets you bribe your way out).
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    Posted on 18:59:46 - 11/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    DaDood [2204689]

    Awesome information here. I was wondering if anyone knows:

    Do the red Kidnap fails reset the threshold for being arrested (warrant value) even if you bribe your way out of going to jail?

    The wiki says "
    Being jailed (by any means) resets your warrant value completely." but it could also be any Red fail resets warrant value. The wiki could just be someone conflating jailed with red fails (since only Kidnap lets you bribe your way out).
    I can’t say for sure but I suspect not.  I went straight from drug crimes, where I was jailed a lot and not once arrested, to Kidnapping woman.  About 3 weeks into Kidnapping Woman, I was arrested for $1.5M.  If “paying the bribe” reset your arrest value, I wouldn’t ever have built up enough value to warrant an arrest
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    DaDood [2204689]

    Awesome information here. I was wondering if anyone knows:

    Do the red Kidnap fails reset the threshold for being arrested (warrant value) even if you bribe your way out of going to jail?

    The wiki says "
    Being jailed (by any means) resets your warrant value completely." but it could also be any Red fail resets warrant value. The wiki could just be someone conflating jailed with red fails (since only Kidnap lets you bribe your way out).

    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    I can’t say for sure but I suspect not. I went straight from drug crimes, where I was jailed a lot and not once arrested, to Kidnapping woman. About 3 weeks into Kidnapping Woman, I was arrested for $1.5M. If “paying the bribe” reset your arrest value, I wouldn’t ever have built up enough value to warrant an arrest
    Thanks! 
    I was hoping for the other way, but clearly not.
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    Posted on 08:49:40 - 13/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    I will be doing kidnap women for longer period of time in order to test with N (number of crimes done) being so little. So far I've 1162 green, 565 red which is pretty spot on (67% success rate). Will edit this post when I remember.
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    Posted on 14:49:14 - 13/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    I assume the "Average Money Gain/Nerve" accounts for the $45k payments to avoid jail on Kidnap Woman, e.g.?
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    Posted on 14:57:28 - 13/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    stax [1132977]

    I assume the "Average Money Gain/Nerve" accounts for the $45k payments to avoid jail on Kidnap Woman, e.g.?
    Correct
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    Posted on 10:19:37 - 19/09/21 (28 days ago)
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    Is the CE from kidnap woman actually correct enough to trust after completing 10k arson or is it a risk? Are crime merits really worth risking this alternative route (supposedly without losing CE gain) as opposed to just safe arsons? Questions questions xD

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    Is the CE from kidnap woman actually correct enough to trust after completing 10k arson or is it a risk? Are crime merits really worth risking this alternative route (supposedly without losing CE gain) as opposed to just safe arsons? Questions questions xD
    With nearly 1300 attempts at Kidnap Woman, I am confident in the success rate part of the equation.  


    In regards to CE value, it’s based exclusively on the article published on Crime experience which has been the most thorough analysis of crime values I’ve seen. The other two sources of CE data (TornStats and mug’s crime data) both suggest an approximately 2:1 CE value for kidnapping crimes generally. I think it would be extremely unlikely that all 3 sources grossly miscalculated the CE value for Kidnappings.
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    Posted on 09:36:19 - 21/09/21 (26 days ago)
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    HuntedGhost [2568914]

    Is the CE from kidnap woman actually correct enough to trust after completing 10k arson or is it a risk? Are crime merits really worth risking this alternative route (supposedly without losing CE gain) as opposed to just safe arsons? Questions questions xD

    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    With nearly 1300 attempts at Kidnap Woman, I am confident in the success rate part of the equation.


    In regards to CE value, it’s based exclusively on the article published on Crime experience which has been the most thorough analysis of crime values I’ve seen. The other two sources of CE data (TornStats and mug’s crime data) both suggest an approximately 2:1 CE value for kidnapping crimes generally. I think it would be extremely unlikely that all 3 sources grossly miscalculated the CE value for Kidnappings.
    I may try kidnap woman after hitting 10k arson after all then (soon). If you want I can supply you with my data about kidnap woman afterwards although it will take a while. Thanks for this work :D
    Last edited by HuntedGhost on 19:32:10 - 21/09/21

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    Posted on 11:00:35 - 26/09/21 (21 days ago)
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    HuntedGhost [2568914]

    Is the CE from kidnap woman actually correct enough to trust after completing 10k arson or is it a risk? Are crime merits really worth risking this alternative route (supposedly without losing CE gain) as opposed to just safe arsons? Questions questions xD

    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    With nearly 1300 attempts at Kidnap Woman, I am confident in the success rate part of the equation.


    In regards to CE value, it’s based exclusively on the article published on Crime experience which has been the most thorough analysis of crime values I’ve seen. The other two sources of CE data (TornStats and mug’s crime data) both suggest an approximately 2:1 CE value for kidnapping crimes generally. I think it would be extremely unlikely that all 3 sources grossly miscalculated the CE value for Kidnappings.
    But we know that the CE loss for even a red hospital fail on kidnap undercover cop is surprisingly large, compared to other hospital fails. So there's no real reason to think the bribe fail CE costs for mayor and woman would be the same as each other.

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    Posted on 15:46:36 - 26/09/21 (21 days ago)
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    HuntedGhost [2568914]

    Is the CE from kidnap woman actually correct enough to trust after completing 10k arson or is it a risk? Are crime merits really worth risking this alternative route (supposedly without losing CE gain) as opposed to just safe arsons? Questions questions xD

    VanilaNightmare [2310825]

    With nearly 1300 attempts at Kidnap Woman, I am confident in the success rate part of the equation.


    In regards to CE value, it’s based exclusively on the article published on Crime experience which has been the most thorough analysis of crime values I’ve seen. The other two sources of CE data (TornStats and mug’s crime data) both suggest an approximately 2:1 CE value for kidnapping crimes generally. I think it would be extremely unlikely that all 3 sources grossly miscalculated the CE value for Kidnappings.

    Qfiffle [2557282]

    But we know that the CE loss for even a red hospital fail on kidnap undercover cop is surprisingly large, compared to other hospital fails. So there's no real reason to think the bribe fail CE costs for mayor and woman would be the same as each other.
    I was simply making the point that there does appear to be some similarities in CE value between crimes in the same family.  For instance, drug crimes tend to have similar CE values (0.3 and 0.4x multipliers).  GTA crimes appear to also be similar (0.3x multipliers).  It also appears that Kidnap mayor and kidnap woman are similar based on the limited data we have.  The odds of both being grossly miscalculated seem to be low, in my opinion.

    im not very familiar with kidnap cop but I do understand it’s hospital fail penalty to be unique but that doesn’t mean that the CE multiplier for a success isn’t similar to the other kidnappings as well
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