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    Posted on 22:21:07 - 10/03/20 (1 year ago)
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    I'm at almost 2bn BS and im trying to get into hanks ratio, however i started at about 1.3bn so it will take me a long long time
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    Posted on 22:22:38 - 10/03/20 (1 year ago)
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    R+ I maintain Hanks ratio and personally found it very combat efficient and very training efficient.

    One of the perks hank had in his guide, which you haven’t mentioned here is the fact that; when training 3 stats and neglecting your dex you are effectively wasting all the energy your opponent put into their speed.

    Sidebar: “The thing I dislike about that is the lack of balance. Your low stat (speed in the example) has to be very low, under 10%”

    This is a mistake right, you mean dex in the example?

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    But if 2 peeps with hank's ratio, then they both wasted e to train speed because their dex is sooooo low? Sounds like only str and def is useful now :o

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    From time to time, Ched changes how things work, and a stat that maybe wasn't so great before may get much better, or a stat that was very useful before may be less useful.

    I believe all the "dex is useless" arguments are just plain wrong anyway. And if dex is useless, then speed is useless. And I know speed isn't useless, so the argument fails.

    Balanced works out best. It doesn't need to be exact, but if you ignore any one stat, that hurts you. At the same time, the argument for Hanks is that even though it leaves you with one weak stat, you gain more stats overall. And as a general rule "more stats" beats "less stats".

    I do prefer Baldr's ratio since it keeps you closer to balanced. And in my case, by the time I learned about Hank's Ratio, I was fairly well developed using Baldr's Ratio, so it would have taken a very long time to adjust to Hank's. I can certainly see the argument for Hank's if you aim for it initially.
    i font think it is a waste in training speed because if theirs is 10* larger than yours then they will just be smacking you in the face continuously
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    Posted on 23:04:07 - 10/03/20 (1 year ago)
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    Excellent guide.

    I have passed screen shots of this guide on to many players, always with the advice to choose early. It's tough to go from Baldr's to Hank's without neglecting a stat for a very long time.
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    Excellent guide.

    I have passed screen shots of this guide on to many players, always with the advice to choose early. It's tough to go from Baldr's to Hank's without neglecting a stat for a very long time.
    i have put my stat goals into tornstats (e.g. script says im 100m too low in str so i added 100m to my str for the goal) and it will take me 140 days to reach hanks
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    Posted on 17:31:55 - 04/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    I just downloaded and installed the script and received the following message.

    The newest version of "special gym ratios" has been disabled because it requires more permissions.

    If you fail, blame someone else. 

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    Posted on 02:27:23 - 08/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    I’m currently trying to to get into Hanks ratio and my Speed and Defence are at around 10% of total if I want my defence to be my lowest stat how am I going to get speed trains from now until George’s?
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    Posted on 11:28:14 - 19/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    When your stats are all balanced at the right ratios, then you go and train again... doesn't it throw your balance out? Do you lose access to the special gym immediately? Getting it back would mean training the required stat in a less efficient gym.... 

    I couldn't seem to get access to the google docs spreadsheet where you can plan your training/balance.
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    Layton [2310714]

    I’m currently trying to to get into Hanks ratio and my Speed and Defence are at around 10% of total if I want my defence to be my lowest stat how am I going to get speed trains from now until George’s?
    Whichever available gym gives you the best speed gains.  Probably Cha Cha's.

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    When your stats are all balanced at the right ratios, then you go and train again... doesn't it throw your balance out? Do you lose access to the special gym immediately? Getting it back would mean training the required stat in a less efficient gym....

    I couldn't seem to get access to the google docs spreadsheet where you can plan your training/balance.
    There is a range, and as long as you stay in that range, you are fine.

    For Baldr's Ratio, your high stat essentially has a lower limit, and you need to stay above that. You can be as far above that as you want and everything still works. Your second stat has a top limit, based on it vs your high stat, and a lower limit, based on a combination of your top two vs your lower two. The lower two have a top limit, and you can't raise them above it without losing gym access.

    I normally train my high stat for awhile, then my second stat until it is near it's top limit, and then the lower two stats for awhile, then repeat.

    On the google docs sheet, you can see how it works, but can't make changes. (Otherwise, someone would enter stuff that would make it not work at all, or just delete everything or whatever. That was a problem in the past.) You need to make your own copy.

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    Baldr [1847600]

    From time to time, I get asked about Baldr's Ratio, which is a system for training that lets you use two special gyms for two of your stats. Tied to that explanation is Hank's Ratio, which lets you use two special gyms for three of your stats.

    Hank's Ratio lets you use two special gyms to train three of your stats, and your fourth gets trained in George's Gym.

    Baldr's Ratio lets you use two special gyms to train two of your stats, and your other two get trained in George's Gym.

    Hank's gives more overall gains from gym trains, but it also requires that one of your stats be very low, around 9% of the total at most.

    Baldr's ratio goes a lot further towards letting you stay fairly balanced.

    George's is the best gym that doesn't have special requirements. It uses 10e per train, and has 7.3 gym dots. The specialized gyms have 25e trains, with 7.5 gym dots, or 50e trains, with 8.0 gym dots. The reason to use Hank's Ratio or Baldr's ratio is to try to do more of your training in those special gyms, with the higher gym dots, so you gain more stats overall.

    I should point out that what they call Baldr's Ratio, I did not actually invent. Someone told me about it long, long ago, and my name got attached. I don't know who actually came up with the system (or, later, the name), but it is the system I use.

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    Hank's Ratio

    This shows Hank's Ratio, set up for Defense as high stat. That forces Dexterity to be the low stat, and the low stat must stay very low. By using different gyms, you can do the same thing in reverse, with high Dex and low Defense.

    For effective purposes, You must have either dex or defense as you high stat, and the other as low stat. In theory, you could do this with Speed or Str as high stat and the other as low, but it doesn't help to have very high Str if you miss nearly every round, and doesn't help to hit every round if you do very little damage, so that is not practical.

    Most people who use Hank's Ratio will use Dex or Defense as their high stat, and that will force the other as their low stat. Most people would agree that defense is more useful than dex, so if using this system, they would make defense their high stat, dex their low stat.

    If Defense were at 100m, then perfect balance via Hanks Ratio works out like this. The %'s are the same if you used a different stat as high stat.

    Strength80,000,00027.78%
    Defense100,000,00034.72%
    Speed80,000,00027.78%
    Dexterity28,000,0009.72%


    The thing I dislike about that is the lack of balance. Your low stat (dex in the example) has to be very low, under 10%.

    But the advantage is that you train your high stat in one special gym, both of your medium stats in another special gym, and your low stat in George's Gym. Three of your stats benefit from the special gyms.

    To use Hanks Ratio with Defense as high stat :
    Defense : Mr. Isoyamas (50e)
    Strength and Speed : Frontline Fitness (25e)
    Dexterity : George's (10e)

    To use Hanks Ratio with Dexterity as high stat :
    Dexterity : Elites (50e)
    Strength and Speed : Frontline Fitness (25e)
    Defense : George's (10e)

    It is possible to use Hanks with Str as high stat (using Gym 3000 as the 50e gym, and Balboas Gym for dex/defense). Or with Speed as the high stat, by using Total Rebound as the 50e gym, and again, Balboas for dex defense. However this is not recommended. High strength with very low speed just means you will miss most of the time, and high speed with very low strength will let you hit often, but do low amounts of damage (possibly none, depending on their defense.)


    So that explains Hank's Ratio.

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    Baldr's Ratio

    Below is an example of what they call Baldr's Ratio, set up with Str as high stat. Again, any stat can be your high stat. Your secondary stat will be Speed if you use Str as high stat (or you can swap those and have Speed high, Str second.) Or you can use Dex/Defense as your high stat, and the other half of Dex/Defense as your secondary stat.

    Strength100,000,00030.86%
    Defense72,000,00022.22%
    Speed80,000,00024.69%
    Dexterity72,000,00022.22%


    Your lowest stat is still about 22% of your total, so this is a much more balanced build.

    You train your high stat in one special gym. your second stat in another special gym, and use George's for your two lowest stats.

    For me, with Str as high stat, that means using Gym 3,000 (50e gym) for strength trains, Frontline Fitness (25e gym) for speed trains, and George's Gym (10e) for dex and defense trains.

    You can do similar, with speed as high stat, by using Total Rebound for speed, Frontline Fitness for Str, and George's for dex and defense.

    Or, you can make your high stat defense or dex, using the appropriate 50e gym for your high stat and Balboas Gym for the other, with Str and Speed being trained in George's.

    It's much more balanced than Hank's Ratio, since your lowest stat can be around 22% of your total, compared to under 10% for Hank's Ratio. But only two of your stats benefit from special gyms, instead of three.

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    You can find details about the different gyms, their requirements, etc, in this link.
    https://www.torn.com/wiki/Gym#Specialist_Gyms_.26_Requirements

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    There is a script that some people use to help keep the ratios correct. I've moved to using this script myself.

    Install Greasemonkey if you are using Firefox:Greasemonkey Addon for Firefox
    Install Tampermonkey if you are using Chrome:Tampermonkey Extension for Chrome

    Then install the Userscript: https://greasyfork.org/scripts/14778-hank-s-ratio/code/Hank'sRatio.user.js

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    This link goes to a google-sheet version of the spreadsheet I used at first, before I switched to the script. My copy (that I actually use) is local, on my computer, and if you plan to use it, you should probably make your own copy.
    + you can do effectively Hank's Ratio if your FC has over 10% gym upgrades and rotating them each month
    2 stats special gym is a way to go.
    I think you can use str/speed at begging and after you get desired stats ( str and speed) go work in strip clubs to balance dex and def, but that just mine opinion

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    Been using this ratio since I reached stat cap. Here's a bookmarklet I'm using since I don't want to install additional userscript on my browser:

    https://pastebin.com/e49APQfk

    Just copy/paste the above on your bookmarks bar. Tested on chrome but should also work on firefox. Like Baldr's spreadsheet, this suggestion is based off your STR.

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    Has anyone had luck downloading the script for tampermonkey. I for some reason cannot get it to download and work.
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    Has anyone had luck downloading the script for tampermonkey. I for some reason cannot get it to download and work.
    I just installed it. Seems to be working fine
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    Advance stats

     
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    Posted on 00:03:55 - 30/07/20 (1 year ago)
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    can someone tell me which one to choose?


    i want my stats like this but strength as my first and defence as my lowest


    or this same setup
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    Posted on 17:59:34 - 30/07/20 (1 year ago)
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    You can't do that.

    Str/speed are tied together, and dex/defense are tied together.

    In Baldr's ratio, if Str is your high stat, then Speed must be your second, with dex/defense as lowest stats. Or you can have Speed high, Str middle, and dex/defense as low. You could have dex or defense as the high stat, in which case the other would be the middle stat, and str and speed would be the low stats.

    In Hank's ratio, which is what you say you want, then if Str is your high stat, speed would have to be the low stat. (which is a bad plan, since you would hit hard when you hit, but would usually miss due to low speed, so almost everyone using Hank's Ratio is going to have Dex or Defense as high stat). If you make Dex your high stat, then defense has to be low stat. If you make defense your high stat, dex has to be the low stat.

    *** Edit : I posted Str/defense are tied together, but that should have been "Str/Speed are tied together".
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    Baldr [1847600]

    From time to time, I get asked about Baldr's Ratio, which is a system for training that lets you use two special gyms for two of your stats. Tied to that explanation is Hank's Ratio, which lets you use two special gyms for three of your stats.

    Hank's Ratio lets you use two special gyms to train three of your stats, and your fourth gets trained in George's Gym.

    Baldr's Ratio lets you use two special gyms to train two of your stats, and your other two get trained in George's Gym.

    Hank's gives more overall gains from gym trains, but it also requires that one of your stats be very low, around 9% of the total at most.

    Baldr's ratio goes a lot further towards letting you stay fairly balanced.

    George's is the best gym that doesn't have special requirements. It uses 10e per train, and has 7.3 gym dots. The specialized gyms have 25e trains, with 7.5 gym dots, or 50e trains, with 8.0 gym dots. The reason to use Hank's Ratio or Baldr's ratio is to try to do more of your training in those special gyms, with the higher gym dots, so you gain more stats overall.

    I should point out that what they call Baldr's Ratio, I did not actually invent. Someone told me about it long, long ago, and my name got attached. I don't know who actually came up with the system (or, later, the name), but it is the system I use.

    --

    Hank's Ratio

    This shows Hank's Ratio, set up for Defense as high stat. That forces Dexterity to be the low stat, and the low stat must stay very low. By using different gyms, you can do the same thing in reverse, with high Dex and low Defense.

    For effective purposes, You must have either dex or defense as you high stat, and the other as low stat. In theory, you could do this with Speed or Str as high stat and the other as low, but it doesn't help to have very high Str if you miss nearly every round, and doesn't help to hit every round if you do very little damage, so that is not practical.

    Most people who use Hank's Ratio will use Dex or Defense as their high stat, and that will force the other as their low stat. Most people would agree that defense is more useful than dex, so if using this system, they would make defense their high stat, dex their low stat.

    If Defense were at 100m, then perfect balance via Hanks Ratio works out like this. The %'s are the same if you used a different stat as high stat.

    Strength80,000,00027.78%
    Defense100,000,00034.72%
    Speed80,000,00027.78%
    Dexterity28,000,0009.72%


    The thing I dislike about that is the lack of balance. Your low stat (dex in the example) has to be very low, under 10%.

    But the advantage is that you train your high stat in one special gym, both of your medium stats in another special gym, and your low stat in George's Gym. Three of your stats benefit from the special gyms.

    To use Hanks Ratio with Defense as high stat :
    Defense : Mr. Isoyamas (50e)
    Strength and Speed : Frontline Fitness (25e)
    Dexterity : George's (10e)

    To use Hanks Ratio with Dexterity as high stat :
    Dexterity : Elites (50e)
    Strength and Speed : Frontline Fitness (25e)
    Defense : George's (10e)

    It is possible to use Hanks with Str as high stat (using Gym 3000 as the 50e gym, and Balboas Gym for dex/defense). Or with Speed as the high stat, by using Total Rebound as the 50e gym, and again, Balboas for dex defense. However this is not recommended. High strength with very low speed just means you will miss most of the time, and high speed with very low strength will let you hit often, but do low amounts of damage (possibly none, depending on their defense.)


    So that explains Hank's Ratio.

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    Baldr's Ratio

    Below is an example of what they call Baldr's Ratio, set up with Str as high stat. Again, any stat can be your high stat. Your secondary stat will be Speed if you use Str as high stat (or you can swap those and have Speed high, Str second.) Or you can use Dex/Defense as your high stat, and the other half of Dex/Defense as your secondary stat.

    Strength100,000,00030.86%
    Defense72,000,00022.22%
    Speed80,000,00024.69%
    Dexterity72,000,00022.22%


    Your lowest stat is still about 22% of your total, so this is a much more balanced build.

    You train your high stat in one special gym. your second stat in another special gym, and use George's for your two lowest stats.

    For me, with Str as high stat, that means using Gym 3,000 (50e gym) for strength trains, Frontline Fitness (25e gym) for speed trains, and George's Gym (10e) for dex and defense trains.

    You can do similar, with speed as high stat, by using Total Rebound for speed, Frontline Fitness for Str, and George's for dex and defense.

    Or, you can make your high stat defense or dex, using the appropriate 50e gym for your high stat and Balboas Gym for the other, with Str and Speed being trained in George's.

    It's much more balanced than Hank's Ratio, since your lowest stat can be around 22% of your total, compared to under 10% for Hank's Ratio. But only two of your stats benefit from special gyms, instead of three.

    --

    You can find details about the different gyms, their requirements, etc, in this link.
    https://www.torn.com/wiki/Gym#Specialist_Gyms_.26_Requirements

    --

    There is a script that some people use to help keep the ratios correct. I've moved to using this script myself.

    Install Greasemonkey if you are using Firefox:Greasemonkey Addon for Firefox
    Install Tampermonkey if you are using Chrome:Tampermonkey Extension for Chrome

    Then install the Userscript: https://greasyfork.org/scripts/14778-hank-s-ratio/code/Hank'sRatio.user.js

    --

    This link goes to a google-sheet version of the spreadsheet I used at first, before I switched to the script. My copy (that I actually use) is local, on my computer, and if you plan to use it, you should probably make your own copy.
    Another great tutorial by Baldr, thank you for putting this together.

    There is a typo however, needs to be corrected. George's is 7.3 gym dots, not 7.
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    Posted on 19:52:10 - 07/08/20 (1 year ago)
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    I have a very hard time maintaining Hank's Ratio. I just got to it about a month ago, but it's like as soon as i get it to where i'm close to having both gyms open at the same time, the next train knocks one out. Like i can never use both gyms. What am I doing wrong?

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