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    Posted on 11:26:22 - 18/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    If Jesus = God and he says ‘Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.’ Does he have dissociative identity disorder and/or daddy issues?

    ---actually read the post instead of just shitposting---

    Alright, so are there 2 gods now or is this a matter of sucession.

    If there are 2 gods, why do you believe there are only 2?

    If it's a matter of sucession, how many have there been in the past, and can anyone try to become God? Was Aleister Crowley on to something?
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    Posted on 13:54:42 - 18/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Yeah, so people would do whatever in what they believe to be true. In America, there have been cults in the past and these cult leaders would convince their followers to kill themselves for the cult leaders because of whatever reason. The followers of the cult believe that the leader is the truth, mainly through manipulation and other means, and in doing so do what he said because in their mind it's true or right.

    Now with religion, there are very few times when God calls a nation to overthrow another nation in his name. There are a few examples of that in the Old Testament but there is a reason. For example in Deuteronomy, God calls Israel to destroy and in simple terms wipe out the Canaanites. Why would God order that? The Canaanites were doing very wicked things. To name a few, child sacrifice, homosexuality, bestiality, worshipping idols etc. They had been doing this for generations and God couldn't allow this wickedness to happen so he brought so called the Israelites to destroy them.

    Now after Jesus, I can't speak for every war because I don't know the background and historical context of every war. But what I can say is that people who use Christianity or God's name to justify power, money, or fame unjustly are wrong. There have been many wars in which people used Christianity as the reason but it was mainly for power or money. Those were wrong and those who claimed to be Christian who started the war were wrong.

    Christianity isn't just a title you add to your name and you are a Christian. Christianity is a way of life and true Christians aren't Christians by what they say but are Christians by what they do. Not that they are perfect because from the pastor to a child all sin and fall short. But they overall life and actions in their life should reflect God.
    Good answer overall. I would like to focus my reply on this paragraph:

    Christianity isn't just a title you add to your name and you are a Christian. Christianity is a way of life and true Christians aren't Christians by what they say but are Christians by what they do. Not that they are perfect because from the pastor to a child all sin and fall short. But they overall life and actions in their life should reflect God.
    My strong belief is that religion is just another way how to control the people and do what you want them to do (wage wars, etc). Yes, most religions (plural) claim to be peaceful, and those people who actually behave in such way I admire deeply. Sadly, that's often not the case.

    Take child upbringing as an example. There are huge and heated debates about abortion and how every life is sacred yada yada, but when a child is born, those same people who become parents then neglect their own children in unimaginable ways. Physical, sexual and psychological abuse is rampant in people who claim they are "good christians". If child is a girl, they get additional abuse.

    In my community I support so-caled "child village" for children who were abandoned and/or neglected by their parents. That means they are not orphans, but parents cannot look after their own kids, that's usually the case when parents are drug addicts, alchoholics, imprisoned, have mental problems etc, the list is endless. It breaks my heart to see how many kids do not have a proper family.

     

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    Posted on 15:15:42 - 18/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    The difficulty in concluding a discussion such as this, arises from the fact that "believing" in anything requires a so-called "leap of faith", i.e. shutting down your capacity for structured reasoning.

    We start with believing and then, on this basis, we try to discuss these beliefs and to decide on moral questions. But the discussion goes nowhere. It's because our brain can't have it both ways: We cannot reason on things that are ill-defined.

    Humanity's intellect, our unique capacity to use language (language in our minds, to give things and concepts a name, a label, and to then reason and build on these labels), is our only real difference to other mammals and our true hope of escaping the current "human condition".

    In my view, the answer to the OP's original question might as well be "Yes and no and maybe" or anything equally nonsensical. Because the question itself makes no sense. It is just a reflection of our desire for something better in general.

    I "believe" that the "god" we should be looking for is a future humanity which employs innate morality along with science. To so further and "save" itself.
    Read up on David Hume. He held that accepting that any reality exists at all and isn't just an illusion takes a leap of faith.

    Holding faith doesn't contradict reason....or at least it shouldn't. You'll find some Christians who think the dinosaur fossils are fake. That's a belief that contradicts reason.

    But does believing that there was a guiding hand behind evolution and the forming of the universe ask you to give up any of the facts you maintain from reason? You aren't required to "shut down your capacity for structured reasoning." The universe is comprehensible, but there are some things science and reason alone cannot answer, like any of the why questions.

    You say that the concepts around faith are ill-defined, but could you explain why you say so? Is it because many different religions have many different notions of God? Or because we can only know so much about God without physically experiencing him?

    Last questions: where do you think the "innate morality" comes from? Do you think that morality is objective or relative?
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    Posted on 19:14:11 - 18/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    Hume's "leap of faith" I view more as the adoption of a set of axioms. A system of logic has to start somewhere. If the axioms be called a leap then I accept that leap of faith. But beyond the starting point of logic, I think it best to build theorems (using the rules) and to not introduce anymore axioms, ad hoc.

    My phrases "shut down reasoning" and "ill-defined" were not derisive btw. Rather, factual: "God" is ill-defined in a mathematical sense - i.e. no one can say what they mean by the word. Or, perhaps, too many people disagree on what they mean.
    As such, I think it impossible to reason constructively about God and anything related. The discussion cannot be scientific or "logical" even - in the mathematical sense. I may be using the term "logic" a bit broadly but I really mean it as deductive reasoning.

    I do think there is evidence of an "innate morality", in that areas of the brain have been shown to influence it. So I view it as a function or a result of our brains and not as something all that abstract. And, in my opinion, it is probably a result of a realization that as human beings we belong. We are part of a world and not the center of it. I think from that, stems - an almost "logical" - morality: Doing good is congruent with the world and ultimately best for everyone, including ourselves. Not everybody sees the broader connections of course and this is probably why people are "moral" in varying degrees. But, for most, there is a common denominator - a base level, below which, to most of us, things become inhuman.
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    Posted on 17:05:08 - 20/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    Bohr [2645473]

    Hume's "leap of faith" I view more as the adoption of a set of axioms. A system of logic has to start somewhere. If the axioms be called a leap then I accept that leap of faith. But beyond the starting point of logic, I think it best to build theorems (using the rules) and to not introduce anymore axioms, ad hoc.

    My phrases "shut down reasoning" and "ill-defined" were not derisive btw. Rather, factual: "God" is ill-defined in a mathematical sense - i.e. no one can say what they mean by the word. Or, perhaps, too many people disagree on what they mean.
    As such, I think it impossible to reason constructively about God and anything related. The discussion cannot be scientific or "logical" even - in the mathematical sense. I may be using the term "logic" a bit broadly but I really mean it as deductive reasoning.

    I do think there is evidence of an "innate morality", in that areas of the brain have been shown to influence it. So I view it as a function or a result of our brains and not as something all that abstract. And, in my opinion, it is probably a result of a realization that as human beings we belong. We are part of a world and not the center of it. I think from that, stems - an almost "logical" - morality: Doing good is congruent with the world and ultimately best for everyone, including ourselves. Not everybody sees the broader connections of course and this is probably why people are "moral" in varying degrees. But, for most, there is a common denominator - a base level, below which, to most of us, things become inhuman.
    To say that God is too ill-defined as a concept to be taken seriously is like saying that government or legal systems are too ill-defined to be taken seriously. There are so many different interpretations and structures for each that judgment must be rendered separately to each according to is merits, rather than ruling out the entire category.
    I encourage you to peruse Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica. It encompasses a lot of what Christian philosophy has reasoned about God. I haven't read it myself, only sections here and there, but its sections are structured proofs that are very accessible in small bits at a time. The work is methodical and logical, albeit dense as a whole.
    Your definition of "good" being "what is in accordance with nature" is very in line with what many Christian medieval philosophers--and their non-Christian predecessors--have held, too.
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    Posted on 21:22:02 - 20/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    Thank you for the suggestion on Summa Theologica. I disagree that the ambiguity in, say a legal term, is as debilitating as that in the word "God". If there are any legal or governmental structures as ambiguous, they must be few and of limited scope. Most of the time, judges agree on what the law means to say?

    Incidentally, I never went as far as to declare that the concept of God is not to be taken seriously - only that discussions on it cannot reach a shared conclusion before the concept is logically defined. I think people should be free to take whatever they like seriously - as long as they don't try to impose their views on others.

    My conjecture, on why an innate sense morality might be shared between us humans, coincides to an extend with Christian and other religions. Except I see it as a result of brain function, not requiring the existence of God.
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    Why is nearly everyone the same religion as their parents?
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    ElHeffe [2564022]

    Why is nearly everyone the same religion as their parents?
    Because that is what they are taught as a child?

    Did you really need to ask that question?

    I will never lie to you. What I say is how I feel...

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    Sepulchrave [2092631]

    If you believe in Jesus, then stop being a hyprocrite - stop making a righteous-looking spectacle of yourself and go pray in the closet like he told you to in the Book of Matthew. There are few things more disgusting than a self-proclaimed "spiritual" person who needs other people to know how spiritual he is.
    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    If you are referring to me, how have I made myself righteous-looking? I don't remember If I wrote it on this post or another, but I am the farthest from righteous. I've sinned and failed God every day, both before and during being a Christian. By no means have I expressed myself as being better than anybody or how some people will phrase it "holier than thou"
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    Sepulchrave [2092631]

    If you believe in Jesus, then stop being a hyprocrite - stop making a righteous-looking spectacle of yourself and go pray in the closet like he told you to in the Book of Matthew. There are few things more disgusting than a self-proclaimed "spiritual" person who needs other people to know how spiritual he is.
    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    If you are referring to me, how have I made myself righteous-looking? I don't remember If I wrote it on this post or another, but I am the farthest from righteous. I've sinned and failed God every day, both before and during being a Christian. By no means have I expressed myself as being better than anybody or how some people will phrase it "holier than thou"
    Shhhh.
    Go pray in your closet.
    Jesus weeps at every one of your pointless, ego-driven public displays.

    Shame on you.

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    Posted on 19:47:45 - 21/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.

    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    NaT_9_3_0 [2699023]

    It's great to see my brethren open this conversation at Torn City, bless you!

    One question for you: Who's your favorite preacher?
    Hey! I bounce around different preachers based on topics.

    For apologetics, I like Frank Turek
    For where I can do more I like Leonard Ravenhill. A bit old school but love his works and his teaching style it's pretty raw.
    Then I have a bunch of preachers I recommend for overall
    Steven Furtick, Paul Washer, Tony Evans, Cliff Knechtle.

    Curious about what preachers you like to listen to!
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.

    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    NaT_9_3_0 [2699023]

    It's great to see my brethren open this conversation at Torn City, bless you!

    One question for you: Who's your favorite preacher?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Hey! I bounce around different preachers based on topics.

    For apologetics, I like Frank Turek
    For where I can do more I like Leonard Ravenhill. A bit old school but love his works and his teaching style it's pretty raw.
    Then I have a bunch of preachers I recommend for overall
    Steven Furtick, Paul Washer, Tony Evans, Cliff Knechtle.

    Curious about what preachers you like to listen to!
    Me? John Macarthur, Paul Washer, R. C. Sproul, Steve Lawson, Voddie Baucham...etc, you get it :)
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    Posted on 20:11:07 - 21/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    I'll be honest, my actual belief on Jesus is this, and I hope it doesn't offend, but I know that those who are more serious in their Christian beliefs may find it offensive. I believe basically his mother rather than admitting to adultery claimed that it was an act of God, and somehow they convinced a bunch of people that this was true. Jesus, born into a probably broken family, turned to religion and became a preacher since he had the prior credentials of being the son of God.

    I'm not an atheist, but my view on God is that he is essentially the universe (or maybe, the universe is just one component of something bigger), and that in the same way we don't care for the life and death cycle of the skin cells on our body, same too would such a thing, if it was even conscious, care about the happenings on Earth.

    I view religious texts as being a way to get a populous paranoid of extinction onto the same page, and as more a collection of fables. I think it was a necessary and beneficial thing historically, and that it could still provide some benefits today, but for me personally, I would need a modernized religion who shares similar beliefs as myself, which I've yet to find. I think someone can be religious without being a part of any named religion and practice their religion on their own.

    I think such a modernized religion could be beneficial for building closer knit communities, as I feel we've become very disconnected in that regard.

    Also, you should consider moving this thread to the Politics & Law subforum as it may yield more active discussion
    First thing, your beliefs shouldn't be offensive. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe. Just because I don't agree with your belief means I must shut you out and how dare you speak to me. That doesn't allow room for conversation and more importantly, doesn't allow room for love.

    Now on your belief. You speak about not having a religion that aligns with your own beliefs. Now if religion doesn't exist, then all we have is our morals. So I am interpreting this as you want to follow something that aligns with your morals. That is something that I disagree with because we as humans(including myself) are sinners. Included with that title are selfishness, pridefulness, and conditional love.

    If we follow our morals solely, then we will have people like Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong Un, and other people who are in my eyes morally wrong. We need an objective moral or an objective way of living life. This is where, in my case, Christianity comes in.

    I would also challenge you. Don't search for what matches what you want, but for what you deem to be right and true. You don't want to go to work and be there for 40-80 hours a week. But you do it because you deem it be good when you get money and provide for yourself and your family. Find what is true and what is right and follow that. I through study have deemed that Christianity is true and that after death there is a paradise available for me called Heaven. So even when there are times when I don't want to follow the Bible and want to do things my way, I humble myself, put away my feelings, and try to align them with what the Bible says.
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    Seba_Nile [1782274]

    God bless Mary (one of the 4 greatest women of Islam) and Jesus Christ the mighty prophet of God.





    Well since you brought it up, why do you follow Islam? What evidence in the Quran or your studies makes you believe that Islam is right and true?
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.

    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    Chess_ [2948071]

    So what happens if you kill a non Christian? Do they go to hell or heaven?
    So this one question has a lot of moving parts going on.

    Since this post is focused on Jesus, I'll stick to what he says.

    John 3:16-21 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.
    18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants."

    So we see here specifically in verse 18 that he says that we have been judged for not believing in Jesus. So if a non-Christian dies, regardless of the cause of death, if they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior they will not make it to heaven.

    But there's another thing to understand here as well. Jesus also says this in Matthew 7:21-23

    “21 Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

    Being a Christian is not just a title that you apply because you go to church give money and do things for the church. Being a Christian is a lifestyle. The way I act in church should be the same when I'm home, should be the same when I'm at work, and should be the same in every aspect of my life. So if I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior I give money to the church and I pray for people. But I am getting drunk every weekend If I'm lusting over women and checking girls out every time they walk past me. When I die, If I didn't change those habits before my time has come, I will not make it to heaven. Because even though I served the church and helped the church, my lifestyle didn't reflect what the bible taught us.

    TLDR; Anyone who doesn't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior; and anyone who isn't living a lifestyle that reflects what God teaches us will not make it to the kingdom of heaven when they die.
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.

    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    Ata [2507441]

    I am most interested in comparison and discussion with other religions.

    You say you believe in Jesus as God etc. Are you ready to kill for your beliefs? Possibly you aren't, but millions of people in the last 2000 years have been more than willing to do that. All in the name of that same Christian God!

    Then someone else comes in and says Allah is the only God. And they will also kill anyone that says different. How can they both be right? Why do people kill in the name of faith?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Yeah, so people would do whatever in what they believe to be true. In America, there have been cults in the past and these cult leaders would convince their followers to kill themselves for the cult leaders because of whatever reason. The followers of the cult believe that the leader is the truth, mainly through manipulation and other means, and in doing so do what he said because in their mind it's true or right.

    Now with religion, there are very few times when God calls a nation to overthrow another nation in his name. There are a few examples of that in the Old Testament but there is a reason. For example in Deuteronomy, God calls Israel to destroy and in simple terms wipe out the Canaanites. Why would God order that? The Canaanites were doing very wicked things. To name a few, child sacrifice, homosexuality, bestiality, worshipping idols etc. They had been doing this for generations and God couldn't allow this wickedness to happen so he brought so called the Israelites to destroy them.

    Now after Jesus, I can't speak for every war because I don't know the background and historical context of every war. But what I can say is that people who use Christianity or God's name to justify power, money, or fame unjustly are wrong. There have been many wars in which people used Christianity as the reason but it was mainly for power or money. Those were wrong and those who claimed to be Christian who started the war were wrong.

    Christianity isn't just a title you add to your name and you are a Christian. Christianity is a way of life and true Christians aren't Christians by what they say but are Christians by what they do. Not that they are perfect because from the pastor to a child all sin and fall short. But they overall life and actions in their life should reflect God.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Ok, I think that child sacrifice is wrong because murdering innocent people is wrong (unless, of course God demands a sacrifice, but not of a kid, and then it's okay and a good thing?) I don't really see anything wrong with homosexuality, as long as all the people consent to it and taking precautions to prevent harm (eg. std's) as applicable, bestiality is wrong because the humans have too much power over the lives of other animals for them to be able to consent without coercion, explicit or implied, and worshiping idols is fine because of religious freedom, and people should not be persecuted for their religion. I need to do more research on what actually happened, but some of the things that they did are definitely a lot worse than other things.
    Edit: I did some research and apparently God ordered a genocide of these people. This is not good, guys, and I don't think they deserved to be killed like this (I don't believe in killing criminals at all), especially if it's over stuff that;s not even crimes, like being gay or practicing their religion.
    You are correct it was a complete wiping of the people of Canaan.

    The answer is why? Why did God Judge them so harshly? IDK why God decided to kill them for their sins vs other possible judgements.

    But what I can say is that if he is the creator of us, he decides what is the right judgement on his creation. In the same way, if a son skips school, the father can choose a judgment of no hanging out with friends or no friends and no phone. One is more drastic but both are equally fair punishments.

    But why are you comparing the separation of entertainment to the death of a region? I am just showing that a leader figure is capable of setting their degree of punishment. Now it's important the Canaanites didn't do this for 1 year and God was like nope be gone forever. This was 300+ years of going against God's word and destroying God's creations. In comparison to a father and a son. If the father has a rule of no weed in the house and the son constantly and blatantly smokes throughout the house. The father is going to restrict things from him, remove phones, remove recreational stuff, etc. But with those changes, if he still doesn't care and the son is still smoking and not changing anything and not caring about the rules the father set in place.

    The father has 1 of 2 choices. Remove the rule and let the son do what he wants, or remove him from the house(once he is of age) and he isn't allowed to live in the house. Removing him from the house will keep his laws and rules in place but it will cause his son to probably be homeless, it might cause him to do more drugs but he wasn't able to follow the rules of his leader for a long time so drastic measures must take place.

    This is God. The Canaanites were defiling themselves destroying children and practicing sins that completely go against God's rules and laws. So since they didn't change for centuries, God needed to go to drastic measures.

    There's more to this but I'll leave this here if you have more questions or don't agree let me know and I'll explain more points.
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    Madgod [1733719]

    I'll be honest, my actual belief on Jesus is this, and I hope it doesn't offend, but I know that those who are more serious in their Christian beliefs may find it offensive. I believe basically his mother rather than admitting to adultery claimed that it was an act of God, and somehow they convinced a bunch of people that this was true. Jesus, born into a probably broken family, turned to religion and became a preacher since he had the prior credentials of being the son of God.

    I'm not an atheist, but my view on God is that he is essentially the universe (or maybe, the universe is just one component of something bigger), and that in the same way we don't care for the life and death cycle of the skin cells on our body, same too would such a thing, if it was even conscious, care about the happenings on Earth.

    I view religious texts as being a way to get a populous paranoid of extinction onto the same page, and as more a collection of fables. I think it was a necessary and beneficial thing historically, and that it could still provide some benefits today, but for me personally, I would need a modernized religion who shares similar beliefs as myself, which I've yet to find. I think someone can be religious without being a part of any named religion and practice their religion on their own.

    I think such a modernized religion could be beneficial for building closer knit communities, as I feel we've become very disconnected in that regard.

    Also, you should consider moving this thread to the Politics & Law subforum as it may yield more active discussion

    Seba_Nile [1782274]

    It’s crazy how a woman you don’t even know or met, you claim is an adulteress. Disgusting.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Wait, do you think that Mary had the choice of becoming the mother of God?
    Why couldn't Mary tell the angel, "no I don't want to be the mother of Jesus"? As humans God gave us the power of free will and she had every right to say I'm good pass that to someone else.
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    Firecracker [2623632]

    do you think we can train an ai to become jesus/godlike? via knowodge, how it acts and such? is there room for AI in religion?
    Hmm, interesting. I think we can train an AI to be Christ-like and guide us through the studies and teachings of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. But even then, some things are so philosophical and specific that an AI can not answer because of the lack of personability that comes with AIs.

    For example, the Bible speaks about feeding the hungry and clothe the poor. But if I ask a bible trained AI the question "Should I go to Mexico to feed and clothe the people or go to Haiti?". An AI won't be able to answer that question properly. But I do believe it will be able to answer questions that are referred directly from the bible.

    So there is room for it but there are limitations.
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    Seba_Nile [1782274]

    God bless Mary (one of the 4 greatest women of Islam) and Jesus Christ the mighty prophet of God.





    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Well since you brought it up, why do you follow Islam? What evidence in the Quran or your studies makes you believe that Islam is right and true?
    Many reasons, but this video amongst many has some great points:






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    Sepulchrave [2092631]

    If you believe in Jesus, then stop being a hyprocrite - stop making a righteous-looking spectacle of yourself and go pray in the closet like he told you to in the Book of Matthew. There are few things more disgusting than a self-proclaimed "spiritual" person who needs other people to know how spiritual he is.
    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    If you are referring to me, how have I made myself righteous-looking? I don't remember If I wrote it on this post or another, but I am the farthest from righteous. I've sinned and failed God every day, both before and during being a Christian. By no means have I expressed myself as being better than anybody or how some people will phrase it "holier than thou"

    Sepulchrave [2092631]

    Shhhh.
    Go pray in your closet.
    Jesus weeps at every one of your pointless, ego-driven public displays.

    Shame on you.
    Instead of attacking, please explain to me how my posts are ego-driven or showing self-righteousness. I don't see it so please show me.
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