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    Posted on 19:06:54 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I really agree with what you are saying here. Free will and freedom is one of the best things I have in my life, and I am glad that God gave us the ability to choose our own destiny.

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    Yes a 2 years old dying from cancer or insert any other illness here, had the freedom to choose its own destiny.

    A Palestinian kid that died from a bomb at 1 years old age or even months, had the freedom to do whatever it wanted.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Like people, unfortunately in this world, have the freedom to go kill people, but they need to be held responsible for their actions to keep people from doing that. Also I guess that not everybody has the ability to choose their own destiny, like how nobody chooses to get sick or get cancer, but we still, to a large extent, have free will, even though a lot of the times we still suffer, and things don't go our way. The world, where free will is allowed, is still very different from a world where we are forced or programmed to worship God, which I think is the point that Latinobull14 is trying to make. Like we still have free will when we are alive, even though bad things do happen to people and people do die in very terrible and tragic ways.

    Kasto [2151656]

    The difference is bad people go to hell when they hurt people.

    No one gets punished when a, according to Bible, pure soul (talking about a child) dies from illness at a young age. The child hasn't sinned yet gets punished? Unless illness is the devil or something.
    But this doesn't have much to do with having free will when we are still alive.  Like I know people can die from natural causes-that doesn't mean that they don't have free will.  It just means that the world is a dangerous place to be in.
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    I prefered his older brother that collected honey, Besus...
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    Posted on 19:09:34 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Do you think you'd believe this if you were born in a part of the world where another religion was dominant? I strongly suspect that people inclined to have faith (basically irrational beliefs based on hearsay) would believe something totally different if they were born into a different faith.

    I also dont really understand why you think your'e qualified to have an opinion on this. What could you possibly know that anyone else doesn't? Of all the infinite and unknowable explanations for how everything came to be it strikes me as unfathomably arrogant to assume you have even a hint more a clue than the rest of us.
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    Posted on 19:38:04 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    I'm an atheist who has never been indoctrinated into any faith. I personally find it surprising that so many modern people believe in bronze age fairy tales. But in an anthropological way, I am curious.

    If you're a believer in the story of Jesus, what is your opinion of capital punishment?

    Do you have anything to say about the hijacking and twisting of Christian beliefs at the hands of Romans?

    How do you feel about Zoroaster?

    Is killing always wrong?

    Do you believe the world would be more peaceful if everyone followed your beliefs?

    Do you believe the end of the world is a positive thing?

    Do you believe humans have the power to change the Earth's environment?
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    Posted on 19:52:01 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?
    So, if you're a murderer and 10 commandment breaker, then you're going to hell. Not to mention the 3 commandments Jesus left. Honor thy mother and father, love neighbor as you love self, and love god as you love yourself. 

    Now, on the other hand if Jesus wasn't around to pay our way into heaven, we wouldn't be going to hell for murder or being an absolute dick. We'd be going to hell for eating shrimp and masturbating when we were 12.

    So, if I'm going to hell, it's going to be because of genocide. Not eating the insects of the sea.
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    Posted on 19:52:49 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.


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    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    Penetration [2340613]

    I'm curious why you contradict yourself.

    Your title says you believe Jesus is God. Your stated belief says Jesus is the son of God.

    I think this is an important distinction in understanding your reasoning as Jesus was converted to be "God" through decisions of the Church much later, but never proclaimed to be God in any testament. There is a big difference in Jesus or his followers believing he is from God, and believing he is God. To be clear - the Bible makes this distinction; if you do not, I'm curious what your reason is.
    I can understand how it looks contradictory by the way I worded it. I fixed it in the belief section thanks for pointing it out. Jesus is the Son of God, but is also God himself. Again the mentality of God the Father, God the Son
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    Karl_innit [3025813]

    I'm an atheist who has never been indoctrinated into any faith. I personally find it surprising that so many modern people believe in bronze age fairy tales. But in an anthropological way, I am curious.

    If you're a believer in the story of Jesus, what is your opinion of capital punishment?

    Do you have anything to say about the hijacking and twisting of Christian beliefs at the hands of Romans?

    How do you feel about Zoroaster?

    Is killing always wrong?

    Do you believe the world would be more peaceful if everyone followed your beliefs?

    Do you believe the end of the world is a positive thing?

    Do you believe humans have the power to change the Earth's environment?
    I'm a Christian and I also wanted to share my opinion on this. Zoroaster is interesting and would love to talk about it separately 

    If you're a believer in the story of Jesus, what is your opinion of capital punishment?
    Certain situations it is valid. We're never going to let somebody like hitler live 25+ years in a prison cell.

    Do you have anything to say about the hijacking and twisting of Christian beliefs at the hands of Romans?
    It's more of a merging of beliefs. They believed in their rituals before Chrisitianity, and made God and Jesus the focus in their celebration. Thus converting old rituals into new ones. It's not evil, but it could be if taken to another level.

    How do you feel about Zoroaster?
    Could be an incomplete version of Christianity.

    Is killing always wrong?

    Is stopping a shooter from shooting a room full of people wrong?

    Do you believe the world would be more peaceful if everyone followed your beliefs?
    Yes. It would mean our political world would be much more forgiving. Love thy neighbor.

    Do you believe the end of the world is a positive thing?
    Could be. How can humans save the world from climate disaster the first try? We're more likely to kill ourselves trying to save ourselves. We need intervention.
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    Posted on 20:11:23 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Nothing offensive about this. Everything you say is right, it's completely unfair for someone to die and take the sins of the world for us even though the person who died and suffered did nothing wrong.

    As a Christian myself, I am grateful for what he did for me because I don't deserve it. I live a life to make sure that I don't let his death be in vain by following his teachings and doing my best to be a better Christian.

    Next question, what is a better Christian?

    Someone who recognizes that they are a sinner and deserve death and going through life with the intent of following the words of the bible and listening to the commands of Jesus. Being reborn is more than just accepting Jesus died on the cross, but living a life that follows his teachings. Not committing adultery, not getting drunk etc. Are you going to be perfect, no. I'm the farthest from perfect. But every day I try to draw closer to God and turn away from sin.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I have a question for you: so how has following Jesus's teachings and refraining from sin affected your life? Have you personally experienced any benefits from choosing to live such a life, and do you miss anything from the world that you can't do anymore?
    I'm not going to be here and say I love every teaching of Jesus and the bible. In my humanness, if someone punches me, I want to punch them back. When I wasn't married, I wanted to go out and sleep with another woman before marriage. Just because I am a Christian and follow God's teachings doesn't mean I'm perfect. I am a very flawed human before and after believing in God. I want to act out what I feel. But the bible teaches be slow to anger and not have sex before marriage. But I would say there hasn't been any negative for following the bible versus doing my own thing.

    God's teachings aren't there to punish us and to do so because told us. God's teachings are to benefit us whether we see it or not. Using the two examples I gave above, if I wasn't slow to anger and go to punch that guy back. What if he stabs me or shoots me, now I lose my life or am severely injured for not being slow to anger. What's the negative of being slow to anger, my pride is hurt but that's minor compared to being injured or dead.

    Having sex before marriage. The downside, I can get her pregnant, I can get an STD, she could lie to me and say she's single and now then her husband or boyfriend shows up and now I can lose my life or get injured. The downside of waiting until marriage, I have to wait instead of acting on what I feel.

    Very minor downside compared to the downsides of acting in the sin. So there is a ton of benefits of being a Christian and following the teachings of the bible. As far as missing things from the world, honestly, I don't. Having a relationship with God and getting closer to him helps you not want to do the things of the world. Not that I don't get tempted to sin, but I have less of a desire to do so.
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    Posted on 20:25:03 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    I wanted to believe in a higher power, but the simplest answer oftentimes is the answer. My personal view is the sub-atomic particles in the universe spent an unfathomable amount of time combining together to form molecules, which then formed into more complex things. Those things combined to produce both more complex compounds and energy, like stars. Those stars lived and died compressing larger amounts of molecules into solids, eventually forming solid bodies (planets, asteroids, etc..). Eventually, the right combination of solids, liquids, gasses, and energy fell together to form life at the molecular level, which then evolved over time.

    One may ask, "what came first," or "who made these things?" However, those questions arise with any origin theory. The truth most likely is that we do not have the capacity to fathom "forever" or "eternal" in a way that makes logical sense. One exercise I find interesting is to close your eyes, relax, and think of absolute nothing, clearing your mind of any idea, thought, or picture. What's left? The color black. Try hard to remove the color black, to truly visualize the absence of everything. What do you see then?

    As an ecosystem and a species, we are a (possibly) unique entity in the universe. Each of us has the opportunity to feel alive for a brief time and observe the environment around us both with a philosophical and critical view. That in itself, is a miracle I'm thankful I've been able to experience. Without this miracle, we wouldn't be able to communicate via an online forum or even have experienced that time when the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of a cage during Hell in a Cell in June of 1998.
    I like your thinking. No one can truly answer what came first. Did God always exist or did matter and energy always exist? But I can say that it's more likely that God created the universe versus a right combination that occurred randomly and brought us where we are now.

    The design and structure of the solar system and life on Earth are so intelligently designed and placed in a pinpoint location that if they were moved slightly, life would cease to exist. I can't justify myself in saying randomness with energy, matter, liquid, etc found the right combination to create what we have today. There has to be an intelligent mind and creator who sets everything up.
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    Posted on 20:38:25 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.


    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available
    I am most interested in comparison and discussion with other religions.

    You say you believe in Jesus as God etc. Are you ready to kill for your beliefs? Possibly you aren't, but millions of people in the last 2000 years have been more than willing to do that. All in the name of that same Christian God!

    Then someone else comes in and says Allah is the only God. And they will also kill anyone that says different. How can they both be right? Why do people kill in the name of faith?
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    Posted on 20:49:18 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Do you think you'd believe this if you were born in a part of the world where another religion was dominant? I strongly suspect that people inclined to have faith (basically irrational beliefs based on hearsay) would believe something totally different if they were born into a different faith.

    I also dont really understand why you think your'e qualified to have an opinion on this. What could you possibly know that anyone else doesn't? Of all the infinite and unknowable explanations for how everything came to be it strikes me as unfathomably arrogant to assume you have even a hint more a clue than the rest of us.
    So for context, I was raised in the US where the foundations of the government were loosely based on Christianity. I was in a home that understood Christianity but didn't follow it. I didn't fully commit to Christianity until I was in my twenties and lived a life that wasn't Christ-like you can say prior. when I became a Christian, my parents were not Christian.  

    If I was raised in India where we have Islam and Hinduism. I can say that my belief in Christianity may not have been exposed to me the way it was in the US. But I will say I'm not a Christian because of blind faith or because I joined into it culturally. I am a Christian because I studied the bible with people who were more knowledgeable than me on the topic and asked questions about the bible that seemed contradictory or parts that made no sense. I am a Christian because I have studied and read the Bible and through studying I can say that Christianity is true.

    When you are a child, you don't have a say in what religion you are or who you follow. But as you get older, you have to make a decision. Are you following these teachings because that's all you know or are you following it because you studied your religion and claim that it is true? I will never tell anyone to follow God and follow Christianity because I said it. You should follow Christianity once you have studied it and deemed it to be true.

    If you ask me a question about Jesus' teachings and in your eyes it contradicts something in the Bible. If my response is "You're wrong just ignore it and follow him" or I answer around your question, do I really know what I'm teaching? My response should be a direct answer to what you are asking because I am claiming to say Christianity is true. That's the difference between blind faith vs studying and believing.

    Now as far as qualifications. I am not a pastor, I am not a prophet, I am a person who loves God and has studied his word and wanted to give my input on the topic. I'm not here to say I received a special knowledge from God himself that gives me the answer to everything. If you have seen my first forum post on the Bible, you'll see some answers are my opinion and not something from the Bible because 1- the bible doesn't answer that question and 2- I genuinely don't know the answer. I'll give you answers based on what I studied and on my personal experience.

    As someone who has studied the bible and studied my faith, I want to give answers and at some times my opinion to curious people, people who want to learn more, or people who don't understand why I believe. If you are someone who also studied the Bible, and you have an answer to someone, feel free to do so. If you are someone who hasn't studied the bible and thinks it's dumb, feel free to explain why.
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    Crapitycrap [2500157]

    I wanted to believe in a higher power, but the simplest answer oftentimes is the answer. My personal view is the sub-atomic particles in the universe spent an unfathomable amount of time combining together to form molecules, which then formed into more complex things. Those things combined to produce both more complex compounds and energy, like stars. Those stars lived and died compressing larger amounts of molecules into solids, eventually forming solid bodies (planets, asteroids, etc..). Eventually, the right combination of solids, liquids, gasses, and energy fell together to form life at the molecular level, which then evolved over time.

    One may ask, "what came first," or "who made these things?" However, those questions arise with any origin theory. The truth most likely is that we do not have the capacity to fathom "forever" or "eternal" in a way that makes logical sense. One exercise I find interesting is to close your eyes, relax, and think of absolute nothing, clearing your mind of any idea, thought, or picture. What's left? The color black. Try hard to remove the color black, to truly visualize the absence of everything. What do you see then?

    As an ecosystem and a species, we are a (possibly) unique entity in the universe. Each of us has the opportunity to feel alive for a brief time and observe the environment around us both with a philosophical and critical view. That in itself, is a miracle I'm thankful I've been able to experience. Without this miracle, we wouldn't be able to communicate via an online forum or even have experienced that time when the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of a cage during Hell in a Cell in June of 1998.
    Yeah, I think it is just crazy to think about how things can very slowly build up over time, and how little atoms can combine and build on each other to make such complicated things, such as stars, planets, living organisms, and humans that then made technology and AI.  I find it to be very fascinating how this world came to be from the most basic things, and I agree that the amount of time it must have taken for all this stuff to be built is really unfathomable for us humans, who only live for a very short period of time.  I have a question for you guys: is living forever a good thing for humans?
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.


    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available

    Ata [2507441]

    I am most interested in comparison and discussion with other religions.

    You say you believe in Jesus as God etc. Are you ready to kill for your beliefs? Possibly you aren't, but millions of people in the last 2000 years have been more than willing to do that. All in the name of that same Christian God!

    Then someone else comes in and says Allah is the only God. And they will also kill anyone that says different. How can they both be right? Why do people kill in the name of faith?
    Yeah, so people would do whatever in what they believe to be true. In America, there have been cults in the past and these cult leaders would convince their followers to kill themselves for the cult leaders because of whatever reason. The followers of the cult believe that the leader is the truth, mainly through manipulation and other means, and in doing so do what he said because in their mind it's true or right. 

    Now with religion, there are very few times when God calls a nation to overthrow another nation in his name. There are a few examples of that in the Old Testament but there is a reason. For example in Deuteronomy, God calls Israel to destroy and in simple terms wipe out the Canaanites. Why would God order that? The Canaanites were doing very wicked things. To name a few, child sacrifice, homosexuality, bestiality, worshipping idols etc. They had been doing this for generations and God couldn't allow this wickedness to happen so he brought so called the Israelites to destroy them.

    Now after Jesus, I can't speak for every war because I don't know the background and historical context of every war. But what I can say is that people who use Christianity or God's name to justify power, money, or fame unjustly are wrong. There have been many wars in which people used Christianity as the reason but it was mainly for power or money. Those were wrong and those who claimed to be Christian who started the war were wrong.

    Christianity isn't just a title you add to your name and you are a Christian. Christianity is a way of life and true Christians aren't Christians by what they say but are Christians by what they do. Not that they are perfect because from the pastor to a child all sin and fall short. But they overall life and actions in their life should reflect God.
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    Posted on 21:17:10 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Nothing offensive about this. Everything you say is right, it's completely unfair for someone to die and take the sins of the world for us even though the person who died and suffered did nothing wrong.

    As a Christian myself, I am grateful for what he did for me because I don't deserve it. I live a life to make sure that I don't let his death be in vain by following his teachings and doing my best to be a better Christian.

    Next question, what is a better Christian?

    Someone who recognizes that they are a sinner and deserve death and going through life with the intent of following the words of the bible and listening to the commands of Jesus. Being reborn is more than just accepting Jesus died on the cross, but living a life that follows his teachings. Not committing adultery, not getting drunk etc. Are you going to be perfect, no. I'm the farthest from perfect. But every day I try to draw closer to God and turn away from sin.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I have a question for you: so how has following Jesus's teachings and refraining from sin affected your life? Have you personally experienced any benefits from choosing to live such a life, and do you miss anything from the world that you can't do anymore?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    I'm not going to be here and say I love every teaching of Jesus and the bible. In my humanness, if someone punches me, I want to punch them back. When I wasn't married, I wanted to go out and sleep with another woman before marriage. Just because I am a Christian and follow God's teachings doesn't mean I'm perfect. I am a very flawed human before and after believing in God. I want to act out what I feel. But the bible teaches be slow to anger and not have sex before marriage. But I would say there hasn't been any negative for following the bible versus doing my own thing.

    God's teachings aren't there to punish us and to do so because told us. God's teachings are to benefit us whether we see it or not. Using the two examples I gave above, if I wasn't slow to anger and go to punch that guy back. What if he stabs me or shoots me, now I lose my life or am severely injured for not being slow to anger. What's the negative of being slow to anger, my pride is hurt but that's minor compared to being injured or dead.

    Having sex before marriage. The downside, I can get her pregnant, I can get an STD, she could lie to me and say she's single and now then her husband or boyfriend shows up and now I can lose my life or get injured. The downside of waiting until marriage, I have to wait instead of acting on what I feel.

    Very minor downside compared to the downsides of acting in the sin. So there is a ton of benefits of being a Christian and following the teachings of the bible. As far as missing things from the world, honestly, I don't. Having a relationship with God and getting closer to him helps you not want to do the things of the world. Not that I don't get tempted to sin, but I have less of a desire to do so.
    I appreciate you being honest, and I think you did a good job explaining and answering my question, so thank you for writing all this.  I guess God's teachings are supposed to protect us from ourselves, and from getting hurt by other people who may not follow these teachings.  I guess it is reasonable to resist certain types of immediate gratification that comes from acting on our natural emotional impulses, if it is likely to lead to more harm for us down the line, and even though these rules can make life more boring for us in some cases, it is supposed to keep us safe and out of trouble.
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    Posted on 21:24:51 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    I am Christian and Catholic, was baptized and baptized my kids, maried in the church, but divorced now. I very rarely go to church on Sundays, yes I read most of the Bible, but has a Cientist (Biology) I see the bible has a book writen by man, and man always have their own intersts and opinions, like I do! Btw, Christ never wrote the bible! Still I believe there was a Jesus and like all of us, he was son of God, even though I cant prove it with science, but I believe it with my faith, I specially admire and pray a lot to Mother Mary, Jesus Mom! In the end, in my point of view, God is in all of our Universe, including inside ourselfs.

    This is a fiction book, but it would be how I would imagine Jesus, a lot more human then most christians think he was.
    "The Gospel According to Jesus Christ" - José Saramago

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    Posted on 21:30:57 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    If you believe in Jesus, then stop being a hyprocrite - stop making a righteous-looking spectacle of yourself and go pray in the closet like he told you to in the Book of Matthew. There are few things more disgusting than a self-proclaimed "spiritual" person who needs other people to know how spiritual he is.
    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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    Posted on 21:54:14 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Sepulchrave [2092631]

    If you believe in Jesus, then stop being a hyprocrite - stop making a righteous-looking spectacle of yourself and go pray in the closet like he told you to in the Book of Matthew. There are few things more disgusting than a self-proclaimed "spiritual" person who needs other people to know how spiritual he is.
    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    I do not think folks realize the "light" their preachers are talking about is not bragging about how "spiritual" you are but to show it by your actions alone.

    (just about every priest, pastor, or preacher I have heard talks about being the light in the dark)

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    Posted on 21:58:17 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.


    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available
    It's great to see my brethren open this conversation at Torn City, bless you!

    One question for you: Who's your favorite preacher?
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    Posted on 22:06:59 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    I'll be honest, my actual belief on Jesus is this, and I hope it doesn't offend, but I know that those who are more serious in their Christian beliefs may find it offensive. I believe basically his mother rather than admitting to adultery claimed that it was an act of God, and somehow they convinced a bunch of people that this was true. Jesus, born into a probably broken family, turned to religion and became a preacher since he had the prior credentials of being the son of God. 

    I'm not an atheist, but my view on God is that he is essentially the universe (or maybe, the universe is just one component of something bigger), and that in the same way we don't care for the life and death cycle of the skin cells on our body, same too would such a thing, if it was even conscious, care about the happenings on Earth.

    I view religious texts as being a way to get a populous paranoid of extinction onto the same page, and as more a collection of fables. I think it was a necessary and beneficial thing historically, and that it could still provide some benefits today, but for me personally, I would need a modernized religion who shares similar beliefs as myself, which I've yet to find. I think someone can be religious without being a part of any named religion and practice their religion on their own.

    I think such a modernized religion could be beneficial for building closer knit communities, as I feel we've become very disconnected in that regard.

    Also, you should consider moving this thread to the Politics & Law subforum as it may yield more active discussion
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    Probably drunk and trolling

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    Posted on 22:14:42 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    God bless Mary (one of the 4 greatest women of Islam) and Jesus Christ the mighty prophet of God.





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