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    NeoRobinFox [2862125]

    How did dying on a cross save us?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    So the gospel is that we as humans are sinful creatures and deserve death. Sin is referring to things that go against the word of God. Lying, sex before marriage, getting drunk, pride, etc. We all fall short. Instead of us dying for our sins, Jesus came down in human form and took the punishment for our sins by dying for us on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice so we can have a second chance at redemption. This symbolizes the grace of God towards us and us being able to avoid that death if we turn to God.

    Now to get a bit historical on it, before Jesus to be atoned or cleaned from your sins, it required a blood sacrifice of an animal due to the law of Jewish tradition. Don't remember all the criteria but it had to be blameless and clean to be sacrificed. Jesus, being revealed as a man who never sinned and being 100% God while being 100% man was the ultimate sacrifice due to the clean and blameless life that he lived.
    Yeah the logic inconsistencies continue.

    Why did God "need" to do anything, he could've just waved his hand and removed the "sin" HE attached to our species in the first place.

    The sin itself being wildly irrational, as explained in my previous post.

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    This seems like a weak try of conversion. 

    They are evolving. They don't hit our doors anymore to talk about Jesus. They are playing games and sneak in the forum to try to convert people.
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    Kasto [2151656]

    This seems like a weak try of conversion.

    They are evolving. They don't hit our doors anymore to talk about Jesus. They are playing games and sneak in the forum to try to convert people.
    You don’t need to click on the thread if it doesn’t interest you
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    Kasto [2151656]

    This seems like a weak try of conversion.

    They are evolving. They don't hit our doors anymore to talk about Jesus. They are playing games and sneak in the forum to try to convert people.

    Bumfluff [969606]

    You don’t need to click on the thread if it doesn’t interest you
    With the same logic, someone can talk about MLM topics and claim "If it doesn't interest you don't click on the thread". 

    There is a difference between talking about Christianity in general and talking about whether Jesus is a God or not which is the main difference between different sects of Christianity.

    Also, forum is free and I can express my concern to people that this post seems like a conversion try.

    You don't need to reply to my post if it doesn't interest you.
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    post moved to its own thread.
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    NRx. Reject Modernity return to: Tradition, Monarchy, Spirit.

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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?
    Actually, when the law requires a fine, it's perfectly acceptable for someone else to pay the fine on one's behalf.
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    NeoRobinFox [2862125]

    How did dying on a cross save us?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    So the gospel is that we as humans are sinful creatures and deserve death. Sin is referring to things that go against the word of God. Lying, sex before marriage, getting drunk, pride, etc. We all fall short. Instead of us dying for our sins, Jesus came down in human form and took the punishment for our sins by dying for us on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice so we can have a second chance at redemption. This symbolizes the grace of God towards us and us being able to avoid that death if we turn to God.

    Now to get a bit historical on it, before Jesus to be atoned or cleaned from your sins, it required a blood sacrifice of an animal due to the law of Jewish tradition. Don't remember all the criteria but it had to be blameless and clean to be sacrificed. Jesus, being revealed as a man who never sinned and being 100% God while being 100% man was the ultimate sacrifice due to the clean and blameless life that he lived.

    Nexus [105937]

    Yeah the logic inconsistencies continue.

    Why did God "need" to do anything, he could've just waved his hand and removed the "sin" HE attached to our species in the first place.

    The sin itself being wildly irrational, as explained in my previous post.
    I never used the word need. God didn't need to save us from sin. God doesn't need humans, he is eternal and creator and does what he finds as just. I can't answer the question of why God created us because he is eternal, he doesn't need us. Bible speaks about he created us to reign over the animals on the earth, but then the question is why create animals? We will not always understand why. But I can say through creating us God has a love for us.

    I wouldn't call it a logic inconsistency because that would make it a contradiction. I think it requires a deeper answer. Again what is sin? It's actions that go against the desires of God. So if God removes "sin" or removes the ability for people to do the actions they want to do, what do we have? We have people who are forced to live a certain way. This isn't love, that's robots.

    God created free will and saw that free will is good. The analogy I heard to solidify your knowledge on this topic goes like this:
    "God created us to have free will, but we are responsible for what we do in that free will".

    If God removes our ability to sin, he removes free will. He wants people who truly want to serve him and who consciously make a choice to worship and serve him. Remove that free will and you are forced to worship him, which doesn't sound like love to me.
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?

    Steppenwulf [2960257]

    Actually, when the law requires a fine, it's perfectly acceptable for someone else to pay the fine on one's behalf.
    But it is not okay for a person to go to jail or be executed on someone else's behalf.
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    modernity vs christianity
    what sets modernity apart from christianity the acceptance of a genuine personal authority submission to the father recognition that authority exists in father-figures from patriarchs to the fathers of nations, and to ultimately god the father and secondly christianity is the recognition that man must understand the world through a certain structure because we use language and signs and narratives to form thoughts the buddhist idea that all such structures can be detached from is the opposite of the christian view and so instead christianity puts forth that we can understand the world through the word of god rather than through our own interpretations that we can just infinitely reconstruct gnosis, the scientific rationality, further social reforms etc at the expense of the tradition
    Even though some of the modern people (just like people from any time throughout human history) do evil things, that does not mean that modernity as a whole is evil.  I do not think that modernity makes people evil, or that the time we are living in is more evil than other time periods.  I actually think that life is better now (at least in the developed countries) than it was back then (for the most part.)
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    NeoRobinFox [2862125]

    How did dying on a cross save us?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    So the gospel is that we as humans are sinful creatures and deserve death. Sin is referring to things that go against the word of God. Lying, sex before marriage, getting drunk, pride, etc. We all fall short. Instead of us dying for our sins, Jesus came down in human form and took the punishment for our sins by dying for us on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice so we can have a second chance at redemption. This symbolizes the grace of God towards us and us being able to avoid that death if we turn to God.

    Now to get a bit historical on it, before Jesus to be atoned or cleaned from your sins, it required a blood sacrifice of an animal due to the law of Jewish tradition. Don't remember all the criteria but it had to be blameless and clean to be sacrificed. Jesus, being revealed as a man who never sinned and being 100% God while being 100% man was the ultimate sacrifice due to the clean and blameless life that he lived.

    Nexus [105937]

    Yeah the logic inconsistencies continue.

    Why did God "need" to do anything, he could've just waved his hand and removed the "sin" HE attached to our species in the first place.

    The sin itself being wildly irrational, as explained in my previous post.

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    I never used the word need. God didn't need to save us from sin. God doesn't need humans, he is eternal and creator and does what he finds as just. I can't answer the question of why God created us because he is eternal, he doesn't need us. Bible speaks about he created us to reign over the animals on the earth, but then the question is why create animals? We will not always understand why. But I can say through creating us God has a love for us.

    I wouldn't call it a logic inconsistency because that would make it a contradiction. I think it requires a deeper answer. Again what is sin? It's actions that go against the desires of God. So if God removes "sin" or removes the ability for people to do the actions they want to do, what do we have? We have people who are forced to live a certain way. This isn't love, that's robots.

    God created free will and saw that free will is good. The analogy I heard to solidify your knowledge on this topic goes like this:
    "God created us to have free will, but we are responsible for what we do in that free will".

    If God removes our ability to sin, he removes free will. He wants people who truly want to serve him and who consciously make a choice to worship and serve him. Remove that free will and you are forced to worship him, which doesn't sound like love to me.
    I really agree with what you are saying here.  Free will and freedom is one of the best things I have in my life, and I am glad that God gave us the ability to choose our own destiny.
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I really agree with what you are saying here. Free will and freedom is one of the best things I have in my life, and I am glad that God gave us the ability to choose our own destiny.
    Yes a 2 years old dying from cancer or insert any other illness here, had the freedom to choose its own destiny.

    A Palestinian kid that died from a bomb at 1 years old age or even months, had the freedom to do whatever it wanted.
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    NeoRobinFox [2862125]

    How did dying on a cross save us?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    So the gospel is that we as humans are sinful creatures and deserve death. Sin is referring to things that go against the word of God. Lying, sex before marriage, getting drunk, pride, etc. We all fall short. Instead of us dying for our sins, Jesus came down in human form and took the punishment for our sins by dying for us on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice so we can have a second chance at redemption. This symbolizes the grace of God towards us and us being able to avoid that death if we turn to God.

    Now to get a bit historical on it, before Jesus to be atoned or cleaned from your sins, it required a blood sacrifice of an animal due to the law of Jewish tradition. Don't remember all the criteria but it had to be blameless and clean to be sacrificed. Jesus, being revealed as a man who never sinned and being 100% God while being 100% man was the ultimate sacrifice due to the clean and blameless life that he lived.
    I still don't really understand: why does God demand an innocent sacrifice?  Like it still feels unfair to me that people would kill innocent animals to make up for something wrong that they did.
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I really agree with what you are saying here. Free will and freedom is one of the best things I have in my life, and I am glad that God gave us the ability to choose our own destiny.

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    Yes a 2 years old dying from cancer or insert any other illness here, had the freedom to choose its own destiny.

    A Palestinian kid that died from a bomb at 1 years old age or even months, had the freedom to do whatever it wanted.
    Like people, unfortunately in this world, have the freedom to go kill people, but they need to be held responsible for their actions to keep people from doing that.  Also I guess that not everybody has the ability to choose their own destiny, like how nobody chooses to get sick or get cancer, but we still, to a large extent, have free will, even though a lot of the times we still suffer, and things don't go our way.  The world, where free will is allowed, is still very different from a world where we are forced or programmed to worship God, which I think is the point that Latinobull14 is trying to make.  Like we still have free will when we are alive, even though bad things do happen to people and people do die in very terrible and tragic ways.
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    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    It's me again!

    Not gonna lie, I genuinely enjoyed the conversation that I had in my previous post and wanted to extend the topic to a singular topic which is Jesus. This is the foundation of the Christian beliefs, (at least it should be). With that, there are different arguments involving Jesus whether he was only a prophet, not a God, he didn't exist, etc.

    Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation about it and feel free to question my belief.

    My Belief:
    Jesus is the Son of God who came down to heaven in human form to save us from our sins by dying on the cross for us. He then resurrected after 3 days and after addressing his disciples in his resurrected form, he ascended to heaven. Jesus himself is God but separate from God the father.


    AMA
    Edit: Edited my belief portion as my wording made it seem like Jesus isn't God but only the son of God and not God himself.

    UPDATE Been MIA had life things happen lol but I will get around to answering everyone points when available
    I'm curious why you contradict yourself. 

    Your title says you believe Jesus is God. Your stated belief says Jesus is the son of God.

    I think this is an important distinction in understanding your reasoning as Jesus was converted to be "God" through decisions of the Church much later, but never proclaimed to be God in any testament. There is a big difference in Jesus or his followers believing he is from God, and believing he is God. To be clear - the Bible makes this distinction; if you do not, I'm curious what your reason is.
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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    So I'm not Christian, and I don't mean to offend anybody with this, but I feel it is wrong for someone completely innocent, such as Jesus in this case, to be punished, tortured, and killed for my wrongdoings, which are completely MY fault, while I get to escape punishment and get a free ticket to heaven. I feel that accepting such a deal is wrong and unjust, because in no other case, such as through the justice system, is it right or legal or acceptable to scapegoat somebody like this. How do Christians who have accepted the salvation of Jesus feel about this?

    Latinobull14 [2881384]

    Nothing offensive about this. Everything you say is right, it's completely unfair for someone to die and take the sins of the world for us even though the person who died and suffered did nothing wrong.

    As a Christian myself, I am grateful for what he did for me because I don't deserve it. I live a life to make sure that I don't let his death be in vain by following his teachings and doing my best to be a better Christian.

    Next question, what is a better Christian?

    Someone who recognizes that they are a sinner and deserve death and going through life with the intent of following the words of the bible and listening to the commands of Jesus. Being reborn is more than just accepting Jesus died on the cross, but living a life that follows his teachings. Not committing adultery, not getting drunk etc. Are you going to be perfect, no. I'm the farthest from perfect. But every day I try to draw closer to God and turn away from sin.
    I have a question for you: so how has following Jesus's teachings and refraining from sin affected your life?  Have you personally experienced any benefits from choosing to live such a life, and do you miss anything from the world that you can't do anymore?
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    I prefered his older brother that collected honey, Besus...
    What about his other brother, Craig?

    sorry, im pretty sure Torn mods would be mad if i posted the actual video. But here is Youtube video that tells you all about him.

    USuaXj3.gif

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    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    I really agree with what you are saying here. Free will and freedom is one of the best things I have in my life, and I am glad that God gave us the ability to choose our own destiny.

    Kasto [2151656]

    Yes a 2 years old dying from cancer or insert any other illness here, had the freedom to choose its own destiny.

    A Palestinian kid that died from a bomb at 1 years old age or even months, had the freedom to do whatever it wanted.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Like people, unfortunately in this world, have the freedom to go kill people, but they need to be held responsible for their actions to keep people from doing that. Also I guess that not everybody has the ability to choose their own destiny, like how nobody chooses to get sick or get cancer, but we still, to a large extent, have free will, even though a lot of the times we still suffer, and things don't go our way. The world, where free will is allowed, is still very different from a world where we are forced or programmed to worship God, which I think is the point that Latinobull14 is trying to make. Like we still have free will when we are alive, even though bad things do happen to people and people do die in very terrible and tragic ways.
    The difference is bad people go to hell when they hurt people. 

    No one gets punished when a, according to Bible, pure soul (talking about a child) dies from illness at a young age. The child hasn't sinned yet gets punished? Unless illness is the devil or something.
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    Posted on 19:03:48 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    Jesus was God in human form

    I genuinely believe he came down and experienced being human realised how hard it actually was and decided to give us grace
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    Posted on 19:04:38 - 17/11/23 (5 months ago)
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    I wanted to believe in a higher power, but the simplest answer oftentimes is the answer.  My personal view is the sub-atomic particles in the universe spent an unfathomable amount of time combining together to form molecules, which then formed into more complex things. Those things combined to produce both more complex compounds and energy, like stars. Those stars lived and died compressing larger amounts of molecules into solids, eventually forming solid bodies (planets, asteroids, etc..).  Eventually, the right combination of solids, liquids, gasses, and energy fell together to form life at the molecular level, which then evolved over time.  

    One may ask, "what came first," or "who made these things?" However, those questions arise with any origin theory. The truth most likely is that we do not have the capacity to fathom "forever" or "eternal" in a way that makes logical sense. One exercise I find interesting is to close your eyes, relax, and think of absolute nothing, clearing your mind of any idea, thought, or picture. What's left? The color black. Try hard to remove the color black, to truly visualize the absence of everything. What do you see then?

    As an ecosystem and a species, we are a (possibly) unique entity in the universe. Each of us has the opportunity to feel alive for a brief time and observe the environment around us both with a philosophical and critical view. That in itself, is a miracle I'm thankful I've been able to experience. Without this miracle, we wouldn't be able to communicate via an online forum or even have experienced that time when the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of a cage during Hell in a Cell in June of 1998.

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