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    Posted on 21:55:43 - 19/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Styledcurve [2493033]

    Alright ima share this with all yall.

    It's a green text story about paramedics encountering a 600 pound patient. Early on in the story when the paramedics are trying to figure things out she reaches for a lunch box.

    Now you, me, and any normal person are thinking "oh god, this ham planet needs to eat while she dies" but no.

    It is revealed that the lunch box had all her conditions and meds, and doctor visits.



    And here is where I'd like to pull the train breaks.


    This fat lard waiting to die has gotten plenty of doctors to look at her before EMS arrived that particular night.

    20 differnt medications but drugs won't fix fat and self destructive.


    If any of you are knows of greentexts shut up. This is likely legit. I got a sister that made it to aasisatint chief before retiring. One of her work gripes was how TLC was bringing the fat f**ks to Texas for health care for money reasons. It really pissed her off.

    So this is to say that it happens and the ambulance man has to deal with what the doctors let happen. They even made money off her fat ass.

    What hughmongus needed was a firm talk and less food not 20+ different medications.

    Got a buddy up the hill. She's pressing the 280 limit I'd guesstimate. Also diabetic like ham planet in the video. Many other problems but she refuses to drink water. Of any kind. Hates water because it has no taste.

    If you refuse to give your liver and kidneys plain ole water, you will bloat and die slowly. Very slowly. And as the years pass on doctors will say "f**k it, and f**k her, I'm gonna make my money today prescribing her whatever I can"


    And that is the medical divide. Between doctors, EMS, and nurses.


    The latter two have their callousness. When you watch people die like we do you grow calluses. At the cost of your empathy. It's kind of a bitch. But the Doctors, they have it the worst and display it.

    If we talking about the covids then we should the context of the entire medical field.

    In Quebec they EMS were told not to perform CPR . They said no. Here in New York we sent the sick to nursing homes to infect the elderly. Bad people congregate to do bad things relying on the lazy stupid people to do nothing about it.


    People like the ham planet and everyone orbiting her.
    Brother, friends , aquantinces , everyone lacks the balls to tell big berths how it is. That she needs to put the spoon down and talk a walk. Doctors know this, give no shits and prescribe 3 more medications and tell her to come back in three months.

    This applies to copd ppl too.

    Doctors have the least empathy but they do love making money.

    Here. , here's the video




    Tl;dr

    Bitch is only a ham planet because doctors dont care if she lives or dies they just want money. Leaving everyone else to clean up the aftermath.
    You back here saying stuff pretending it's true again?

    Have you googled 'sources' yet?
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    Posted on 22:01:29 - 19/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Equating a public health response for a global pandemic to experiments conducted during MKULTRA and Project Monarch is pretty batshit insane.

    Aezur [1950769]

    Your reading comprehension ain't great my dude. May wanna read my post again.

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Not really. As an American, the notion that the "government is trying to f**k us again" based on previous projects is an absurd notion. Has the US engaged in ethically dubious behavior? Absolutely. Do those previous actions have any bearing on the ongoing government response? None whatsoever.

    Aezur [1950769]

    You can't think of any reason the populace of a country that's government has heavily and provably run unethical experiments on them without their consent just might effect their population's willingness to take a vaccine that has been developed in less time than we thought possible?

    Can't think of any reason at all? Those two things just couldn't be linked in your inner model of the world?

    Right...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    People will certainly try to create a link. Doesn't make it any less batshit insane which was my original point. I speculate that this is probably a fringe position and that most vaccine hesitancy is going to come from people not wanting a government mandate.

    Aezur [1950769]

    The amount a country's population trusts it government absolutely has an effect on its population's willingness to go along with government programs.

    There is no debate here.

    You are being contrary, or you are being stupid. From reading your other comments, my guess is contrary, but do prove me wrong. :)
    Your assertion assumes that people distrust the current government because of events which happened 60+ years ago. If you had narrowed the scope of your initial statement to the black community in America, I would be inclined to agree that there may be some hesitancy based on what occurred as there were racially motivated pseudoscience experiments done back then.

    But if you look at the demographics in America of who is not getting vaccinated, you'll find that they are white Republicans with less than a college education. Polling data from unvaccinated also shows that the leading reasons for vaccine hesitancy were:

    -Wanting to confirm the vaccine was safe (23%)
    -A belief they would not get seriously ill from the virus (20%)
    -Concerns about the timeline for developing the vaccine (16%)
    -Mistrust of vaccines in general (16%)
    -They already have immunity because they have had COVID-19 (10%)
    -Allergies or concern about allergies as the reason they do not plan to get vaccinated (10%)
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    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    First of all, this could be anything really... kinda looks like exosomes to me... and the CDC couldn't be trusted much these days, it's just another instrument in the hands of globalists and the world economic forum...

    And second - nobody has a live virus. Some pics here, genetic sequences there... still light years from something tangible.

    By the way, survival rate is over 99%

    Pinkie [1886343]

    I'll just ask now because there really isn't any point in arguing with you.

    What would you need to see for you to go "oh, I see. I was wrong." and to change your mind? What sorta of evidence are you looking for?
    First the government comes after our jobs, freedoms and irrefutable human rights - and then we can talk about evidence? Sorry but I don't think that modern democracy works like that.

    With bleeding inside the head there is a metallic taste at the back of the throat.

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    Posted on 22:34:03 - 19/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    First of all, this could be anything really... kinda looks like exosomes to me... and the CDC couldn't be trusted much these days, it's just another instrument in the hands of globalists and the world economic forum...

    And second - nobody has a live virus. Some pics here, genetic sequences there... still light years from something tangible.

    By the way, survival rate is over 99%

    Pinkie [1886343]

    I'll just ask now because there really isn't any point in arguing with you.

    What would you need to see for you to go "oh, I see. I was wrong." and to change your mind? What sorta of evidence are you looking for?

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    First the government comes after our jobs, freedoms and irrefutable human rights - and then we can talk about evidence? Sorry but I don't think that modern democracy works like that.
    Did you mean to reply to someone else? Because this response makes no sense.
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    Posted on 23:25:19 - 19/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Styledcurve [2493033]

    Alright ima share this with all yall.

    It's a green text story about paramedics encountering a 600 pound patient. Early on in the story when the paramedics are trying to figure things out she reaches for a lunch box.

    Now you, me, and any normal person are thinking "oh god, this ham planet needs to eat while she dies" but no.

    It is revealed that the lunch box had all her conditions and meds, and doctor visits.



    And here is where I'd like to pull the train breaks.


    This fat lard waiting to die has gotten plenty of doctors to look at her before EMS arrived that particular night.

    20 differnt medications but drugs won't fix fat and self destructive.


    If any of you are knows of greentexts shut up. This is likely legit. I got a sister that made it to aasisatint chief before retiring. One of her work gripes was how TLC was bringing the fat f**ks to Texas for health care for money reasons. It really pissed her off.

    So this is to say that it happens and the ambulance man has to deal with what the doctors let happen. They even made money off her fat ass.

    What hughmongus needed was a firm talk and less food not 20+ different medications.

    Got a buddy up the hill. She's pressing the 280 limit I'd guesstimate. Also diabetic like ham planet in the video. Many other problems but she refuses to drink water. Of any kind. Hates water because it has no taste.

    If you refuse to give your liver and kidneys plain ole water, you will bloat and die slowly. Very slowly. And as the years pass on doctors will say "f**k it, and f**k her, I'm gonna make my money today prescribing her whatever I can"


    And that is the medical divide. Between doctors, EMS, and nurses.


    The latter two have their callousness. When you watch people die like we do you grow calluses. At the cost of your empathy. It's kind of a bitch. But the Doctors, they have it the worst and display it.

    If we talking about the covids then we should the context of the entire medical field.

    In Quebec they EMS were told not to perform CPR . They said no. Here in New York we sent the sick to nursing homes to infect the elderly. Bad people congregate to do bad things relying on the lazy stupid people to do nothing about it.


    People like the ham planet and everyone orbiting her.
    Brother, friends , aquantinces , everyone lacks the balls to tell big berths how it is. That she needs to put the spoon down and talk a walk. Doctors know this, give no shits and prescribe 3 more medications and tell her to come back in three months.

    This applies to copd ppl too.

    Doctors have the least empathy but they do love making money.

    Here. , here's the video




    Tl;dr

    Bitch is only a ham planet because doctors dont care if she lives or dies they just want money. Leaving everyone else to clean up the aftermath.
    Lol @ trusting 4chan, of all the places you could get information from, and using some apocryphal story to define your worldview.

    ANY factual information ppl give you relating to COVID-19: “f**k that, it’s a global conspiracy! vaccine holocaust! Lizard people! infringes on my freedumb!”

    some random 4chan post: “shut up. This is likely legit”
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    I don't often post in the forums, partly because English isn't my native language, but I really need to go on a rant here about these Covid-19 vaccination campaigns.

    Offcourse I don't really know how the exact situation is in other countries, but in my home country Belgium things are getting pretty crazy.

    About 9 months ago our government told us we'd have the choice on whether or not we'd take the vaccine and it is completely voluntary. And we still do, except we don't. The thing is we are getting manipulated from all directions and forced into submission. Let me clarify with a few examples:

    - This summer me and a few friends had planned to go on a multi-dayhiking trip in the Alpes in France. The only problem is I'm not vaccinated. Every hotel, restaurant or pub you enter in France requires you to have a valid covid safe certificate. You get one of these certificates by either proving your vaccinated, have healed from Covid 19, or have been tested negative in the past 24 hours. Since there is no way I can get tested every 24hr in the middle of the Alpes, I had no choice to stay at home and have my friends go without me.

    - I went to a few festivals this summer, but in order to be allowed to these festivals I had to drive to a covid 19 testing center two days before, get these swab sticks shoved up my nose, and pay 55€ per test (150€ if I wanted fast results). So i basically paid over double the price for each festival.

    - There was some kind of fair here in my town past weekend, it was very crowded, and people bumping into each other all the time; face masks were no longer necessary so I went out and grabbed a few drinks there. I came up to this little stage where a few artists would sing and perform. But even tough that was way less dense packed then every other part of the fair I had just been too, I was denied entry because I didnt have a valid covid certifcate. If I wanted to grab a few drinks there, I'd have to go get tested yet again, drive to a testing location, pay 55€, wait for the results, return a few hours later, only to drink a few 2$ beers.

    - A new law is beeing passed that will prevent anyone who isn't vaccinated from entering a hospital. In other words, because I don't want to take risks with my body, my family and friends will no longer be able to receive any supporting hospital visits from me.

    - Every day we are beeing bombarded with television broadcasts, commercials, online news articles, etc... that keep telling us how safe the vaccine is, that we should get it asap, and that those who don't are selfish who don't care about other people or ending this pandemic. And what's worse because it's getting repeated so often, people have started to believe it, and every vaccinated person now frowns upon those that aren't. Apparantly everything is their fault.

    I am not selfish and I want the world go back to normal and out of this draconian/dystopian world we live in more then anyone else.
    But I refuse to take a vaccine that has been developed in under a year by major companies racing to the finish line trying to make a profit from which the long term consequenes are still unknown. To me that is a significant risk, and a potentially bigger one then dealing with the effects or covid-19.

    Every week that passes, the (social) pressure increases on the non-vaccinated. And I feel it won't be very long before we'll have to choose between our job and our principles. In fact, those who work in the health care sector have already had to made that choice. So if i lose my job and all of my freedom, or get arrested for going outside somewhere in the near future, so be it!

    But I will continue to stand for my principles and what I believe in!
    And please.... STOP THIS MADNESS!!!
    I'm not going to read 13 pages of replies here.  I just want to know what your reason is for not vaccinating?

    Is it just because the government is asking you to get vaccinated? If so, and the government instead told you that you CANNOT have the vaccine, would you then desperately want to be vaccinated?

    What if the price for vaccination was $10K euros and only the rich could afford it? Would you be protesting against the injustice?

    Or do you have some medically based reason? Are you allergic to some component of the vaccine? Or are you worried it isn't safe?

    Or perhaps you believe, since you are young and healthy, that your immune system is strong enough to fight it off? Does that mean you also reject vaccinations for measles, whooping cough, mumps, polio, diphtheria, tetanus and other diseases? Would you refuse vaccinations for malaria and typhoid is traveling to a place where these diseases are common?

    Or do you think the death rate is just too low? Do you also not bother with a seat belt when traveling in a car, since the rate of death is so low for traffic accidents? Do you lift the safety bar when on ski lifts, since hardly anyone ever falls off of a ski lift?

    I do have a friend who is immunocompromised because she is receiving chemotherapy for cancer. Her doctor told her she could get the vaccine if she wanted, but it wouldn't do any good, since her immune system wasn't working anyway. She would still have to stay isolated.

    And to me, that is a good reason not to get vaccinated -- in her specific case, it would not work.

    You said a lot in the OP of how you are inconvenienced by not being vaccinated, but you never said why you aren't vaccinated.
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    Pinkie [1886343]

    It's individual freedom against the good of society is it not? We don't all exist in a vacuum and to pretend otherwise is a little silly.

    We all exist in a social contract, we agree that certain things are not allowed for the good of all. (For example we agree that murder is illegal, theft is illegal and so on so forth.)

    Individual freedom is important unless one's freedom triumphs the good of everyone. Like seat belts in cars, you could say "it's my right to drive without a seatbelt", but you can be punished for not wearing one as it can have negative consequences for others.

    Or why are there building standards? If a company went "I should be allowed to build what I want, let the market decide price" would that be ok? Of course not, there's people it can harm and so for the greater good of everyone we regulate.


    Personally I suggest getting mad over governmental corruption, corporate lobbying and how f**ked up the world currently is rather than whining about a vaccine.

    Penetration [2340613]

    A lot of people in the camp of "I don't want the vaccine" make the argument the government is over stepping their authority by forcing people to be injected (regardless of what that injection entails.) So yes, they are upset with government corruption, because it is anti-constitutional (our social contract) in many countries. If we let them do this, they can get away with anything. Thus not only erroding but dismantling the constitutions which were put into place because of tyranny, dictatorship and the enslavement of humanity by small groups.

    The population in the first world are too young to have known the world without constitutions, but it was not a better world. It is meant to protect us from our own corruption and when we lose it, we lose social contracts altogether. A world with zero freedom is much, much worse than one with limited freedoms, but the path to no freedom is an excessively slipperly slope. That slope is greased by these arguments about the common good. History is repeating itself and we will see thr negative consequences of giving up freedom for temporary security in only a few years time, I'm sure.

    All that being said... who do I put at risk besides myself if I don't wear a seatbelt? Seems like a bad example is all.

    Pinkie [1886343]

    In general people are already pretty much forced to get injections? :p Like over here you're required to get the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella before you can can enter schools and whatnot.
    But by all means, a vaccine for covid is certainly the gateway to tyranny. Certainly not eroding online privacy and all those issues. Of course not, god forbid.

    No freedom is worse than limited freedom, but societies are inherently built around limited freedom. A vaccine isn't exactly going to change that. What's more likely, 1: Mandates for public health so things can go back to normal or 2: It's a plot to control everyone. Occrams Razor my friend, well that and politicians are incompetent and bent on self interest.

    As for history.. we've been through something similar in the Spanish Flu epidemic. But shh. Oh and the Black Death where it only got a little better by nation-states mandating 14 day quarantines, and only went away sorta at random (after a lot of time and a lot of death.).


    It's your last comment that puts it into perspective doesn't it? Who cares about other people.
    If you're not wearing a seatbelt and crash, well then 1: You're more likely to die. (Which you can of course argue is your own fault so let's move past that.), 2: If there are others in the car and your body ends up smashing into them. or 3: You are ejected and end up harming someone else. Not wearing a seatbelt can cause others harm which is why it's a good example.

    Penetration [2340613]

    I think the point being missed from my post is that I was trying to explain the why some people are hesitant to get vaccines. I'm not specifically arguing not to get them.

    The problem I see is no one is willing to hear the other side of, well, anything. Both sides have their mind made up and will not accept new information. New information doesn't mean accepting a different opinion or viewpoint, it means understanding it.

    If you want people to vaccinate, you need to understand why they are hesitant. If you don't understand the why, you won't get to the how (how to get them to vaccinate.)

    Society at large has fallen into two camps. One is trust everything you hear from established media and government and no other source of information under any circumstance is believable. The other is, believe anything and everything so long as it doesn't come from established media or government.

    Again, looks like a circus from my perspective. Botb of those views are extreme and lunacy.

    Addressing your point of forced vaccines. Yes, in some places some vaccines are forced. Those are really rare however, as parents in most places can decide if their kids get vaccinated. Maybe you must to have them attend public school, but there are other options. Public school is not mandatory in most countries, and is not even the best option for education by and large. Just the most affordable.

    Never in history of humanity have we seen all the governments of the world take instruction from an unelected body on drugging the entire worlds population. People are right to be critical of such an instance. If we aren't critical, we lose all freedom exceptionally fast. In fact, covid led to internment camps in some places for unvaccinated people. All that took was compliance from the vaccinated.

    In China they were subjecting people to anal swabbing (completely unnecessary humiliation), they also forcibly removed people from their homes, the WHO had recommended removing children from homes of parents before a vaccine was even available, and we have seen mass censorship embraced by the general population. It is not simply about a vaccine, people are genuinely worried about their future and what their children's future might be if we surrender our freedoms and comply without question.

    The response to this I usually see is: "conspiracy nut, trust the science, yeah government is corrupt so what, you're going to have less freedom if you don't comply, etc "

    No one actually wants to address these people's concern. These people are 20-30% of the population. Why shouldn't their concerns be directly addressed by the government? It would be very easy for a government to provide some assurance to the population thst X and Y freedoms will be reapplied when conditions A and B are met. They aren't foing that though.

    Instead, at least in Canada, the message is: Get vaccinated and you still have all the same restrictions in place including a mask, distancing and limited freedoms, and you can't travel internationally, and that might never change. Also you can still get covid, still spread covid, and potentially get other side effects worse than covid when you get the shot. Don't get the shot and we will just strip more freedom away - there is your incentive.

    The government has incentive and threat to liberty definitions mixed up.

    Again, it is about understanding people's concerns. We shouldn't attack people who are standing up for our liberties - that will become the end of freedom. We should be thankful some people still have the sense to do that, but should also seek to address their concerns, especially from a leadership perspective. These leaders of countries are not real leaders.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Sorry, but being stupid has nothing to do with standing up for our liberties, that is just dogshit. Actually it really misses out on critical thinking and is dangerous.
    Exhibit A.

    Very informative. Thank you for your contribution to this discussion.

    Moving on.
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    Penetration [2340613]

    I'm really surprised when people who are aware enough to see the issue with this whole covid-vaccine thing, are not aware enough to realize it is an inevitability vaccines will be mandated for the entire population, on an ongoing basis.

    Is covid a real threat? Yes,owt bioweapons are. However, after a terrorists bombs your marketplace, do you turn around and let them stick a mysterious substance in your body?

    People who have been vaccinated and haven't (yet) felt negative consequences are going to disagree with this, because it is easy to live in an illusion until it affects you personally. (They would also use this argument for unvaccinated people getting covid.)

    Yes, I have had covid. Yes, it was a severe version. Yes, I self-treated and overcame the illness with my body's natural defense. Yes, I did get someone infected (roommate) and was even at work when I symptoms kicked in. Work I fly into, and ride buses on. At the time these transports were packed to the brim. No protocols had yet been put in place. We have people come in from all over the country, even other countries, all the time.

    Many people from site got sick around then. They stayed home or visited doctors and everyone got better. There was no covid again until the media pressed about it, then suddenly there were magical new case numbers but we couldn't find a sick person.

    Then they threaten us with more deadly versions. The population was overcoming their initial disease so they needed to make it more deadly in order for the rest of us to comply.

    I won't get into the why of the global vaccine program, but the how is manufacturered through and through. If you can't see that, it's because you don't want to believe it.

    Capgros [2088627]

    What is so mysterious about it?

    https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/01/11/a-simple-breakdown-of-the-ingredients-in-the-covid-vaccines/

    Anyway, I didn't study this so I won't understand much of it, but I trust that scientists that dedicated their lives studying this know better what they are doing than the average anti vaxer who are getting their information from social media.

    But that's just me. And if you don't want to take responsibility for others, well you might get limited in your movement. It's still a choice, and some people choose stupidity, can't really feel sorry about it

    Penetration [2340613]

    I haven't had any social media for years.

    I do have some common sense though, and work in a highly regulated, safety focused environment.

    Looking at your link, I grabbed an ingredient I don't know the nature of up front ( N-ditetradecyl acetamide) and pulled the safety data sheet on it. Check it out yourself and decide if it's a good idea to inject this into your blood.

    SDS

    Capgros [2088627]

    Common sense? This subject doesn't rely on common sense lol.

    You don't know the ingredient, but scientists do, I bet you don't even know all the ingredients of the food you eat or what you drink, but that doesn't stop you from eating/drinking it. That's why I rely on the science.

    You can choose not to work. But you will be very limited in other things, if you choose not to vaccinate, fine, but you will be limited in other things since you can cause death to certain people.

    Life is full of choices.

    Penetration [2340613]

    Hold up.

    "You don't know the ingredient, but scientists do, I bet you don't even know all the ingredients of the food you eat or what you drink, but that doesn't stop you from eating/drinking it. That's why I rely on the science." (For the record, I try to eat whole foods and research how foods are made, and try to avoid processed.)

    The purpose of a Safety Data Sheet (regulated by the United Nations) is to identify hazards in the workplace. This means the science is described in such a way that the common worker knows if something is harmful, and how to deal with that harm. The purpose is to limit or remove harm to the human body.

    So when an ingredient in a vaccine is designated a toxic hazard and has warnings such as:

    Warning! Combustible liquid and vapor. Causes respiratory tract irritation. Hygroscopic (absorbs moisture from the air).Harmful if absorbed through skin or if inhaled. May cause harm to the unborn child. Target Organs: Central nervous system, liver, respiratory system, reproductive system.

    and

    May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause liver damage. May cause central nervous system depression, characterized by excitement, followed by headache, dizziness, drowsiness, and nausea. Advanced stages may cause collapse, unconsciousness, coma and possible death due to respiratory failure.

    I think it's fair to raise some questions rather than simply saying, "Trust the science." If we are to trust the science, we should be very concerned with these studied scientific conclusions the UN wishes to inform us about.

    The above quotes come from the first SDS I provided. Here is another SDS for 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-PC, which is also found in these vaccines and touted as safe. This SDS from 2018 (still valid) states right from the beginning:

    For research use only, not for human or veterinary use.

    Why not? Well it also states, "To the best of our knowledge, the toxicological properties have not been thoroughly investigated."

    This is the most up-to-date SDS on this product. So government, media and health care professionals (scientists included in the later group) are telling us these vaccines are safe. However, they include known toxins and have unknown effects from insufficient study. If we don't know the short term effects, we certainly don't know the long-term.

    To clarify, these SDS are for chemicals in the exact same form as in the vaccines, as comparing hot steam with cold water is not the same - apples to apples.

    Now to clarify, I'm presenting the side of the argument of why people might choose not to get a vaccine. The bottom line; they can't be sure it is safe. There is a risk in getting a vaccine, and some of those risks are unknown.

    On the opposite side of the fence the same argument can be made. There are unknowns when you don't get vaccinated, there are risks to your health when not getting vaccinated. If this argument is valid for pro-vaccine, it is certainly valid for those who are cautious about what is being injected into their body.

    I'm not anti-vax. I'm simply pro-choice. If you want a vaccine, if it makes you feel safer, if you've done your research and weighed the pro's and cons, or you haven't, and made the choice to vaccinate - all the power to you.

    Where I take particular issue is in the way the two arguments are presented.

    Against Vaccination: Personal choice, pro-personal choice, does not dictate others must not be vaccinated, principle or observation-based argument, sometimes efforts made to research the science; often times (not always) information based on social media propaganda (fear mongering).

    Pro-Vaccination: Not a choice, anti-personal choice, dictates everyone must get vaccinated, fear-based or media-fed argument, sometimes efforts made to research the science; often times (not always) information based on established media propaganda (fear mongering).

    For the most part I feel like I'm watching a circus from an outsiders perspective. The more the average person tries to justify the reasons for either getting or not getting a vaccine, the less faith I have in human intelligence.

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    You have no clue what you are talking about, You haven't study this so I won't trust you, I'm pretty sure the scientists creating the vaccine know what they are doing, and some industrial warning doesn't say anything because it's a whole different use.

    Anyway, you do you, but be prepared to be able to do less things, I couldn't care less to be honest, and don't start about apartheid, after all, skin color is not a choice, taking or not taking the vaccine is. I'm not even going to try to convince you.
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    The virus itself. Zero hard proof about its existence. Zero hard proof about anything really, especially about the efficacy of these jabs. For example, the number of case spikes in highly vaxxed Israel just doesn't make any sense. They promised one thing (back to normal) and completely opposite thing is happening right now.

    If that doesn't cause any alarms, I don't know what will. Another huge nonsense is this mass hysteria about jabbing children at all costs. Children were never a risk group or significant vectors for this disease. So what is really happening? Nobody knows for sure. Again - zero hard proof for any of this. They are fabricating confusion and making things up.

    Like I said before - only a very stupid or very immoral person cannot see where this leads and how big are these holes in the mainstream narrative. And I am supposed to trust them with my health?

    Hell NOPE! :D

    Unlucky [2472585]

    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...
    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.
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    Why is torn filled with anti vaxxers?
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    Why is torn filled with anti vaxxers?
    same reason torn is filled with gay and trans people.
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    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    The virus itself. Zero hard proof about its existence. Zero hard proof about anything really, especially about the efficacy of these jabs. For example, the number of case spikes in highly vaxxed Israel just doesn't make any sense. They promised one thing (back to normal) and completely opposite thing is happening right now.

    If that doesn't cause any alarms, I don't know what will. Another huge nonsense is this mass hysteria about jabbing children at all costs. Children were never a risk group or significant vectors for this disease. So what is really happening? Nobody knows for sure. Again - zero hard proof for any of this. They are fabricating confusion and making things up.

    Like I said before - only a very stupid or very immoral person cannot see where this leads and how big are these holes in the mainstream narrative. And I am supposed to trust them with my health?

    Hell NOPE! :D

    Unlucky [2472585]

    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.
    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    With bleeding inside the head there is a metallic taste at the back of the throat.

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    "This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast..."

    Pretty ironic you saying this considering its exactly what you've done in:

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    This post bigtime
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    This post is extra funny
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    This post where you went so off the rails people aren't sure you replied to the right person
    And finally, this post

    TBH if it wasn't for all the pre-existing COVID denial stuff on your profile I'd think you were a top tier troll. Instead i think you're just either a teenager that thinks they know more than they actually do, or someone that's received brain damage in some sort of sporting injury.
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    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    The virus itself. Zero hard proof about its existence. Zero hard proof about anything really, especially about the efficacy of these jabs. For example, the number of case spikes in highly vaxxed Israel just doesn't make any sense. They promised one thing (back to normal) and completely opposite thing is happening right now.

    If that doesn't cause any alarms, I don't know what will. Another huge nonsense is this mass hysteria about jabbing children at all costs. Children were never a risk group or significant vectors for this disease. So what is really happening? Nobody knows for sure. Again - zero hard proof for any of this. They are fabricating confusion and making things up.

    Like I said before - only a very stupid or very immoral person cannot see where this leads and how big are these holes in the mainstream narrative. And I am supposed to trust them with my health?

    Hell NOPE! :D

    Unlucky [2472585]

    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.
    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?
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    "This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast..."

    Pretty ironic you saying this considering its exactly what you've done in:

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    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post bigtime
    This post
    This post
    This post
    This post is extra funny
    This post
    This post where you went so off the rails people aren't sure you replied to the right person
    And finally, this post

    TBH if it wasn't for all the pre-existing COVID denial stuff on your profile I'd think you were a top tier troll. Instead i think you're just either a teenager that thinks they know more than they actually do, or someone that's received brain damage in some sort of sporting injury.
    Probably someone suffering from anxiety or mental illness. There are quite a few in Torn. with some of them, I don't even think they know what they're saying.

    One guy did honestly say that he had to check himself in to a psych hospital every couple of months when the symptoms got bad. He did stir up a few problems here (not political) over several years of playing before going inactive about four months ago.

    We just have to suck up and deal with those people. It's unlikely they will get better. It is sad to see it in someone as young as that, but there's not much we can do other than hope they get treatment.
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    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    The virus itself. Zero hard proof about its existence. Zero hard proof about anything really, especially about the efficacy of these jabs. For example, the number of case spikes in highly vaxxed Israel just doesn't make any sense. They promised one thing (back to normal) and completely opposite thing is happening right now.

    If that doesn't cause any alarms, I don't know what will. Another huge nonsense is this mass hysteria about jabbing children at all costs. Children were never a risk group or significant vectors for this disease. So what is really happening? Nobody knows for sure. Again - zero hard proof for any of this. They are fabricating confusion and making things up.

    Like I said before - only a very stupid or very immoral person cannot see where this leads and how big are these holes in the mainstream narrative. And I am supposed to trust them with my health?

    Hell NOPE! :D

    Unlucky [2472585]

    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    CRLF [2095076]

    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?
    Ahh, another switcheroo... twisting everything to fit into the current narrative... This rationale is why they changed the very definition of vaccines, so everyone would believe this experimental gene therapy is in the same ballpark like these old and proven vaccines.



    Sorry, still not buying this BS.

    With bleeding inside the head there is a metallic taste at the back of the throat.

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    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    CRLF [2095076]

    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    Ahh, another switcheroo... twisting everything to fit into the current narrative... This rationale is why they changed the very definition of vaccines, so everyone would believe this experimental gene therapy is in the same ballpark like these old and proven vaccines.



    Sorry, still not buying this BS.
    This might surprise you but science tends to change over time. I know it’s hard to wrap your head around but that’s the idea.
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    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    CRLF [2095076]

    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    Ahh, another switcheroo... twisting everything to fit into the current narrative... This rationale is why they changed the very definition of vaccines, so everyone would believe this experimental gene therapy is in the same ballpark like these old and proven vaccines.



    Sorry, still not buying this BS.

    Diking [1951369]

    This might surprise you but science tends to change over time. I know it’s hard to wrap your head around but that’s the idea.
    Yet the scientific community and doctors are very polarized about this mess... there is no clear scientific consensus so far... all we have are political lies, propaganda, fear porn, cooking up the numbers with unreliable "tests", psychological warfare, coercion, censorship and so on.

    On top of it all nobody is held accountable for these experimental jabs... the big pharma is extempt from liability... and I am supposed to trust these criminals with my health? No thanks.

    With bleeding inside the head there is a metallic taste at the back of the throat.

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    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    CRLF [2095076]

    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    Ahh, another switcheroo... twisting everything to fit into the current narrative... This rationale is why they changed the very definition of vaccines, so everyone would believe this experimental gene therapy is in the same ballpark like these old and proven vaccines.



    Sorry, still not buying this BS.

    Diking [1951369]

    This might surprise you but science tends to change over time. I know it’s hard to wrap your head around but that’s the idea.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    Yet the scientific community and doctors are very polarized about this mess... there is no clear scientific consensus so far... all we have are political lies, propaganda, fear porn, cooking up the numbers with unreliable "tests", psychological warfare, coercion, censorship and so on.

    On top of it all nobody is held accountable for these experimental jabs... the big pharma is extempt from liability... and I am supposed to trust these criminals with my health? No thanks.
    I’m sorry but I don’t think any respectable member of the scientific community is against the covid vaccine. I don’t know where this is coming from
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    Unlucky [2472585]

    Lol buddy I deal directly with sick and dying people saying “there’s no proof the virus exists” to me won’t even begin to convince me.


    Until you’ve spoken to a dad that just watched his teenage son taken off a ventilator because he’s brain dead and there’s no helping him anymore, I don’t think you’re gonna have a chance to convince me.

    Also where’s my timelines! I wanna know when all this global conspiracy comes to a head! Like I want to make sure I’ve taken all my yearly holiday first, it’d be a waste otherwise.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    It's very convenient how people like you always manage to thwart any discussion about the issues like informed consent or medical freedom into a fearmongering show about deaths, ventilators etc. at the right moment. I'm not buying it...

    No one of you has come up with even a half-decent rationale in favor of two-tier citizenship and this hysterical jab-coercion "show-me-your-papers" type of BS... and I still see absolutely zero reason to trust anyone advocating for these totalitarian measures...

    CRLF [2095076]

    If you are concerned about putting possibly dangerous, artificial substances in your body, I suggest you stop using all forms of birth control.

    The Pill, condoms, IUDs, spermicides all contain potentially harmful, artificial substances. In fact, they are all more dangerous than the vaccine.

    Of course, deciding to refuse to use birth control could lead to other outcomes you might not like which might affect other people. But hey! not everyone gets pregnant or contracts STDs when they have unprotected sex, right? Just take your chances, what's the worst that could happen?

    Or you could just isolate yourself, never have sex again, and you'd be just fine.

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    This tactic of changing the subject, making ridiculous comparisons and leading everything astray is getting old fast... Nobody here could explain what is really going on with this unhinged government overreach... what's the real reason behind mandating some shady vaxx for a disease with more than 99% survival rate... After all - how is a forced jab any different that forced organ harvesting? Where all that madness leads and how will it end?

    But hey, instead of tackling these issues it's much easier to smear the other side and make the sceptics look like a bunch of stupid, illiterate, paranoid conspiracy theorists. Politicians and media are doing this all the time...

    Sadly, it looks like we need a new batch of conspiracy theories because the current ones are coming true... From "just two weeks to flatten the curve" to "show me your papers"... Ewww.

    CRLF [2095076]

    (The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is the ratio between confirmed deaths and confirmed cases.)

    The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis is 3.8 per 1,000,000 live births. (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Death from measles was reported in approximately 0.2% of the cases in the United States from 1985 through 1992. (Mandatory childhood vaccine).

    The overall case-fatality rate of mumps is 1.6–3.8 people per 10,000 (Mandatory childhood vaccine)

    Case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 1.6% (1.6 per 100) and total deaths per 100k population is 205.18.
    (Vaccine optional)

    Did you get your childhood vaccines? Did you know they are mandatory in most states? It is also a "forced jab". And yes... you do have to "show your papers" for childhood vaccines in order to attend school.

    Why would this vaccine be any different from other vaccines you are required to get?

    Samoiedskaya [1709631]

    Ahh, another switcheroo... twisting everything to fit into the current narrative... This rationale is why they changed the very definition of vaccines, so everyone would believe this experimental gene therapy is in the same ballpark like these old and proven vaccines.



    Sorry, still not buying this BS.
    It's not gene therapy. It's a vaccination. 

    It sounds like you gathered up a bunch of misinformation from some anti-vax sites and are just slamming it here so you can try to win some sort of argument.

    It seems as though you're more interested in "winning" than in any way coming to an accurate conclusion. I'm sorry your life sucks so much and you feel so insignificant in RL that you have to "win" in an online forum discussion without any attempt to have a practical discussion.
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