Major_Nod [2757256]

Id be surprised if you watch the episodes i listed and said they were all bullshit. I agree that most of what's on them is in fact bullshit. But there are some clips that are legit unexplainable. Just because its on a tv show doesn't make it fake. Take 30 mins and scan through the ones above and then weigh in.

MadHatter [486416]

I'll give it a shot. If nothing else, the shows can be entertaining, and give me future locations to explore. Zach & the Ghost Bros just left a bad taste in my mouth with their obnoxious (and highly disrespectful) methods. Such an arrogant and brazen approach that would likely end badly for them if they had any legitimacy.

I've also done a personal overnight "investigation" (I'm not a ghost hunter and I don't do investigations -- I seek contact) in a location that was featured on one of these shows. Despite them being "professionals" and me being an "amateur", I experienced far more than they did, with a fraction of the dramatics. They gasped and shrieked over vague whispers that were likely just the wind, while I walked calmly into dark rooms after having coins thrown at me. The paranormal doesn't frighten me, so I can't empathize with the tension and fear the shows try to evoke.

A lot of it comes down to purpose and intent, too. I went in seeking contact for personal reasons. The people I went with went in seeking online fame. They disrespected the spirits in the same way that the Ghost Bros do, and the lady leading the group suffered for it.

Major_Nod [2757256]

Zach Baggins is a total clown

Error-505 [2671911]

The most entertaining part for me is watching hunters/investigators find what they went looking for but their response is to get the hell outta there. Second best is seeing grown men shouting at an empty room.

Penetration [2340613]

Bare with me. I find this stuff interesting and tend to jump all over the place for what could be a simple response, but usually leave people with some new ideas to consider...

As people turn away from classic religion to the religion of science (not scientology but science as a belief system) the terms Angels & Demons have been replaced with Aliens and Paranormal.

From a purely scientific method analysis, so far the most convincing explanation for UFO (presumed alien) sightings is that they are demons. In many ways they fit the classic criteria for demons - stray people away from god, deceive, defy physical limitations, etc. Of course, the modern definition of aliens and UFO technology may just be a better physical description for what demons actually are. As they say, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic.

And perhaps they aren't all demons, but a mix of angels in there too. Using interpretation of the bible from the lens of science as a religion, one might interpret Heaven is the Milky Way, angels are aliens working for a dictator we are meant to refer to as God, and demons are another race or races of aliens with another objective. From that context it also becomes murky on whether angels are actually benevolent (considering all the biblical murder) but are instead an occupying force which under the leadership of God, attempted to keep humans ignorant of the truth, technology, etc.

That being said, any God that wanted to keep our modern tech like cellphones and televisions from us was looking out for our best interest, as far as I'm concerned.

There's many ways to interpret all that I just spat out too. It is entirely possible what we understand as "ancient aliens" was in fact the remnants of a previous advanced human civilization right here on Earth which was almost entirely wiped out from the ice age calamity (when an asteroid hit modern day Quebec's massive ice cap, leading to a chain reaction which caused a global flood.) Or that human ancestors originated on another planet, such as Mars, and seeded Earth as Mars was dying, having only remnants of their advanced technology still floating around our skies. History shows advanced human civilization will deceive less advanced cultures, often enslave or otherwise rule them, and sometimes even play themselves up as gods.

Both are more likely than visitors from other Star systems, none of these are entirely impossible scenarios, and the truth is likely far stranger.

To your point about being something else entirely we can't see or comprehend, I think there are glimpses of sight but completely agree on the lack of comprehension.

I think it is unlikely all things we interpret as paranormal are exactly the same thing though. Spirits, as an example, come in a variety of forms. Which would make sense when you consider the diversity of life on Earth, not only in varieties like mammals or birds, but also distinction between macro and micro, or the variation in the core programming between plants and animals.

If life we can tangibly study on our little ball in the cosmos is so diverse, and consists of "good, evil, and gray," why would we suspect in the vastness of the universe and all things beyond our senses (99.999999999999% of everything,) to find a simple explanation which encompasses wll paranormal?

MadHatter [486416]

You're almost there. Drop the Christian filter and the truth will reveal itself to you.

The beings commonly referred to as angels and demons are not in a state of perpetual cosmic war; they are different types of beings, born of different energies in different realms. The idea of "good vs evil" is a false dichotomy, and the spiritual realms are far more intricate than simply heaven vs hell. Spirits and deities have many faces and are known by many names, across many cultures. Existence was created through the combined efforts of many deities, not just one. The tribal war god of Israel, Jehovah, is neither the sole creator nor the one true god, and not all angels serve him. All beings are multi-faceted, rather than just all good or all evil. Some act to help humanity's progression, and some act to hinder it (to oversimplify the nature of humanity and its relationship to the spiritual realms). Humans are, to again oversimplify it, essentially just golem (in the kabbalistic sense) created to act as vessels for incarnating spirits.

The mundane and spiritual realms overlap, allowing the mundane to manifest in the spiritual, and the spiritual to manifest in the mundane.

Penetration [2340613]

Claiming to know these things as if you know them all matter of factly is just as ignorant as Sweeny's outright denial.

These things fall tol far into the unknown for anyone to claim they know them to such a degree, like religion.

I'll still to theorizing and considering thr many possibilities, as well as understanding my own ignorance as best I can.

Penetration [2340613]

Bare with me. I find this stuff interesting and tend to jump all over the place for what could be a simple response, but usually leave people with some new ideas to consider...

As people turn away from classic religion to the religion of science (not scientology but science as a belief system) the terms Angels & Demons have been replaced with Aliens and Paranormal.

From a purely scientific method analysis, so far the most convincing explanation for UFO (presumed alien) sightings is that they are demons. In many ways they fit the classic criteria for demons - stray people away from god, deceive, defy physical limitations, etc. Of course, the modern definition of aliens and UFO technology may just be a better physical description for what demons actually are. As they say, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic.

And perhaps they aren't all demons, but a mix of angels in there too. Using interpretation of the bible from the lens of science as a religion, one might interpret Heaven is the Milky Way, angels are aliens working for a dictator we are meant to refer to as God, and demons are another race or races of aliens with another objective. From that context it also becomes murky on whether angels are actually benevolent (considering all the biblical murder) but are instead an occupying force which under the leadership of God, attempted to keep humans ignorant of the truth, technology, etc.

That being said, any God that wanted to keep our modern tech like cellphones and televisions from us was looking out for our best interest, as far as I'm concerned.

There's many ways to interpret all that I just spat out too. It is entirely possible what we understand as "ancient aliens" was in fact the remnants of a previous advanced human civilization right here on Earth which was almost entirely wiped out from the ice age calamity (when an asteroid hit modern day Quebec's massive ice cap, leading to a chain reaction which caused a global flood.) Or that human ancestors originated on another planet, such as Mars, and seeded Earth as Mars was dying, having only remnants of their advanced technology still floating around our skies. History shows advanced human civilization will deceive less advanced cultures, often enslave or otherwise rule them, and sometimes even play themselves up as gods.

Both are more likely than visitors from other Star systems, none of these are entirely impossible scenarios, and the truth is likely far stranger.

To your point about being something else entirely we can't see or comprehend, I think there are glimpses of sight but completely agree on the lack of comprehension.

I think it is unlikely all things we interpret as paranormal are exactly the same thing though. Spirits, as an example, come in a variety of forms. Which would make sense when you consider the diversity of life on Earth, not only in varieties like mammals or birds, but also distinction between macro and micro, or the variation in the core programming between plants and animals.

If life we can tangibly study on our little ball in the cosmos is so diverse, and consists of "good, evil, and gray," why would we suspect in the vastness of the universe and all things beyond our senses (99.999999999999% of everything,) to find a simple explanation which encompasses wll paranormal?

MadHatter [486416]

You're almost there. Drop the Christian filter and the truth will reveal itself to you.

The beings commonly referred to as angels and demons are not in a state of perpetual cosmic war; they are different types of beings, born of different energies in different realms. The idea of "good vs evil" is a false dichotomy, and the spiritual realms are far more intricate than simply heaven vs hell. Spirits and deities have many faces and are known by many names, across many cultures. Existence was created through the combined efforts of many deities, not just one. The tribal war god of Israel, Jehovah, is neither the sole creator nor the one true god, and not all angels serve him. All beings are multi-faceted, rather than just all good or all evil. Some act to help humanity's progression, and some act to hinder it (to oversimplify the nature of humanity and its relationship to the spiritual realms). Humans are, to again oversimplify it, essentially just golem (in the kabbalistic sense) created to act as vessels for incarnating spirits.

The mundane and spiritual realms overlap, allowing the mundane to manifest in the spiritual, and the spiritual to manifest in the mundane.

Penetration [2340613]

Claiming to know these things as if you know them all matter of factly is just as ignorant as Sweeny's outright denial.

These things fall tol far into the unknown for anyone to claim they know them to such a degree, like religion.

I'll still to theorizing and considering thr many possibilities, as well as understanding my own ignorance as best I can.

Penetration [2340613]

Bare with me. I find this stuff interesting and tend to jump all over the place for what could be a simple response, but usually leave people with some new ideas to consider...

As people turn away from classic religion to the religion of science (not scientology but science as a belief system) the terms Angels & Demons have been replaced with Aliens and Paranormal.

From a purely scientific method analysis, so far the most convincing explanation for UFO (presumed alien) sightings is that they are demons. In many ways they fit the classic criteria for demons - stray people away from god, deceive, defy physical limitations, etc. Of course, the modern definition of aliens and UFO technology may just be a better physical description for what demons actually are. As they say, any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic.

And perhaps they aren't all demons, but a mix of angels in there too. Using interpretation of the bible from the lens of science as a religion, one might interpret Heaven is the Milky Way, angels are aliens working for a dictator we are meant to refer to as God, and demons are another race or races of aliens with another objective. From that context it also becomes murky on whether angels are actually benevolent (considering all the biblical murder) but are instead an occupying force which under the leadership of God, attempted to keep humans ignorant of the truth, technology, etc.

That being said, any God that wanted to keep our modern tech like cellphones and televisions from us was looking out for our best interest, as far as I'm concerned.

There's many ways to interpret all that I just spat out too. It is entirely possible what we understand as "ancient aliens" was in fact the remnants of a previous advanced human civilization right here on Earth which was almost entirely wiped out from the ice age calamity (when an asteroid hit modern day Quebec's massive ice cap, leading to a chain reaction which caused a global flood.) Or that human ancestors originated on another planet, such as Mars, and seeded Earth as Mars was dying, having only remnants of their advanced technology still floating around our skies. History shows advanced human civilization will deceive less advanced cultures, often enslave or otherwise rule them, and sometimes even play themselves up as gods.

Both are more likely than visitors from other Star systems, none of these are entirely impossible scenarios, and the truth is likely far stranger.

To your point about being something else entirely we can't see or comprehend, I think there are glimpses of sight but completely agree on the lack of comprehension.

I think it is unlikely all things we interpret as paranormal are exactly the same thing though. Spirits, as an example, come in a variety of forms. Which would make sense when you consider the diversity of life on Earth, not only in varieties like mammals or birds, but also distinction between macro and micro, or the variation in the core programming between plants and animals.

If life we can tangibly study on our little ball in the cosmos is so diverse, and consists of "good, evil, and gray," why would we suspect in the vastness of the universe and all things beyond our senses (99.999999999999% of everything,) to find a simple explanation which encompasses wll paranormal?

MadHatter [486416]

You're almost there. Drop the Christian filter and the truth will reveal itself to you.

The beings commonly referred to as angels and demons are not in a state of perpetual cosmic war; they are different types of beings, born of different energies in different realms. The idea of "good vs evil" is a false dichotomy, and the spiritual realms are far more intricate than simply heaven vs hell. Spirits and deities have many faces and are known by many names, across many cultures. Existence was created through the combined efforts of many deities, not just one. The tribal war god of Israel, Jehovah, is neither the sole creator nor the one true god, and not all angels serve him. All beings are multi-faceted, rather than just all good or all evil. Some act to help humanity's progression, and some act to hinder it (to oversimplify the nature of humanity and its relationship to the spiritual realms). Humans are, to again oversimplify it, essentially just golem (in the kabbalistic sense) created to act as vessels for incarnating spirits.

The mundane and spiritual realms overlap, allowing the mundane to manifest in the spiritual, and the spiritual to manifest in the mundane.

Penetration [2340613]

Claiming to know these things as if you know them all matter of factly is just as ignorant as Sweeny's outright denial.

These things fall tol far into the unknown for anyone to claim they know them to such a degree, like religion.

I'll still to theorizing and considering thr many possibilities, as well as understanding my own ignorance as best I can.

MadHatter [486416]

If you say so. You aren't ready for the truth.

Penetration [2340613]

What I'm saying is throughout history millions have claimed to know the truth, each with a unique perspective.

What makes us believe one man over another? We either need to be swayed, usually by means of them utilizing our desire to understand, or we see proof. This is why there's religious folk, and science folk,who exist in extremes. They both want answers but will only accept a specific kind - as they've predetermined what they want to be the truth.

So when you speak matter of factly that I'm "almost there but get rid of the Christian filter," it's hard for me to accept you somehow have all the answers. And it's not a Christian filter, it was an example. Quran has examples too.

Another way to put it, the dead sea scrolls speak very matter of factly about God talking to people, as well as angels mating with human females making sterile giants who enslave and eat humans. Sweeney talks matter of factly that ghosts just aren't a thing. Your confidence doesn't give me confidence in what you believe anymore than Sweeneys.

Livingdedgirl [1662311]

I think the religious filter is just one way people try to make sense of paranormal phenomenon. You can filter it through whatever human framework makes you most comfortable and that your brain is able to use to make sense out of non-sensical information. But i think the truth is probably that we are seeing glimpses of things from another dimension or reality that has the ability to cross into our reality in a way that we cant really comprehend. Ive seen a ghost and i know it was something real but not there. But i dont know if it was actually a dead human or if it just looked like one.

BigBeef [1998980]

i believe we all have the equipment to sense other dimensions, but for some people they just arent tuned to it. like you have profeessional wine tasters that can elaborate on different components of wine, others dont have the discrimination and cant tell the difference between a cheap bottle of wine and expensive one. others can tell the difference, but cant break down the different compounds and tell you why. Thats with physical phenomenon. they all have the apparatus, just some have it more well defined or are trained to notice things others dont. Moreso with the paranormal.

BigBeef [1998980]

i believe we all have the equipment to sense other dimensions, but for some people they just arent tuned to it. like you have profeessional wine tasters that can elaborate on different components of wine, others dont have the discrimination and cant tell the difference between a cheap bottle of wine and expensive one. others can tell the difference, but cant break down the different compounds and tell you why. Thats with physical phenomenon. they all have the apparatus, just some have it more well defined or are trained to notice things others dont. Moreso with the paranormal.

Sweeney_Todd [27468]

I think wine tasting is a tad different to believing in ghosts. For one, wine exists...

BigBeef [1998980]

i dont watch those programs, they seem like clickbait to me. in reality spirits are everywhere. Some locations seem to be charged in a way that draw a lot of things, but watching on tv wont really give you the experience.