Wolfie [2003328]

Heyo,

That's a very kind message, thank you :) I am in Europe and sadly any and all things related to Satanism, Witches, Paganism etc are frowned upon. Like, people wouldn't really care if you tell them you're pagan, but if you tell them you do rituals, or that you belong to CoS, it could cripple you. Much like in USA, I'd assume, but because of that here in Europe we have a lot less open followers than over there. So whilst I've heard of great orgies you spoke about, sadly I have never - and I doubt I ever will - participated in one. Hell, even finding a single Satanist (that I didn't fear would kill me because they worship actual Satan) was next to impossible here.

I'll proceed to do what I am and just keep an eye out on things related to CoS and TST without actually being in such organizations. I genuinely do believe their causes are good and they have good ideas but just like you said, the people behind them... I wouldn't trust them. I just can't. I also know very little of Crowley so I haven't formed any opinions of him just yet.

Sweeney_Todd [27468]

I live in europe too, and everything you have said is utter shite...

Europe lives by paganism, it is our default belief...

So feel free to f**k off...

DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]

Hey Wolfie,
I’m a former Church of Satan member (LaVey’s Satanism for anyone else reading this who doesn’t know he’s the founder), but left the organization after I realized that indeed they were a bunch of assholes. I discovered that once I moved to New York City and became personally close with many of the Priesthood here. They’re back stabbers, liars and pretentious drunks who just talk shit about other people instead of truly embracing the ideals and philosophies LaVey set forth. It’s unfortunate that an organization which promotes free thinking and individual creative pursuit deteriorated into a social club of group-think who chastised anyone who thought differently than them.


Although the orgies they had at their private parties were fun!


The organization fell to shit after LaVey died and came under the new High Priest, Peter Gilmore. I never met him but I met several of his close friends.

Anywho, the “proper magic” you mention was never a supernatural belief. It had to do with basically applied atheism which was emotionally expressed through ritual (humans have always used stories and mythology to express the universal concepts of that which makes us truly human and, and the subconscious speaks in the language of symbols and metaphors so ritual satisfy that, and magic is merely creating change in conformity with one’s will, so by all intent and purpose, even cooking dinner is considered a magical act). LaVey taught that by ritually releasing emotional hang ups in the “intellectual decompress chamber” freed the mind in the real world to be better equipped to focus and for willpower to be more pure and undistracted. Self empowerment is really the heart and soul of the CoS, and Satan was a representation of the human self and all his / her potential to master their own world.


There a lot of things LaVey stole from Crowley as far as day to day philosophy, but unfortunately he watered much of it down and simplified and limited it in many ways and claimed it as his own findings. However, that doesn’t invalidate the usefulness of most of his writings nonetheless.


You say you follow some of his philosophies of self empowerment as an atheist and not being a dick to anyone, well, sounds like you’re a more proper Satanist than most of the life-long folks dedicated to the organization.


🤘🏻

Wolfie [2003328]

Heyo,

That's a very kind message, thank you :) I am in Europe and sadly any and all things related to Satanism, Witches, Paganism etc are frowned upon. Like, people wouldn't really care if you tell them you're pagan, but if you tell them you do rituals, or that you belong to CoS, it could cripple you. Much like in USA, I'd assume, but because of that here in Europe we have a lot less open followers than over there. So whilst I've heard of great orgies you spoke about, sadly I have never - and I doubt I ever will - participated in one. Hell, even finding a single Satanist (that I didn't fear would kill me because they worship actual Satan) was next to impossible here.

I'll proceed to do what I am and just keep an eye out on things related to CoS and TST without actually being in such organizations. I genuinely do believe their causes are good and they have good ideas but just like you said, the people behind them... I wouldn't trust them. I just can't. I also know very little of Crowley so I haven't formed any opinions of him just yet.

DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]

Ok Sweeney Todd, we get it. You disagree with our beliefs. Enough with the name calling and shit slinging. Move on and be miserable somewhere else.

Also, my wife is a Belgian immigrant and I have several friends in Italy, Germany and Poland, and no they are not mostly pagan. Europe is over all very heavily Christianized. Blasphemy against the church is illegal in Poland.

Anyway, kindly go away now.

-sketch- [759554]

Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

All the best!

P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

Duntat [2649172]

I AM SATAN

-sketch- [759554]

Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

All the best!

P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]

Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you.

secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”?


Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult.


Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with?


Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.

DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]

Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you.

secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”?


Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult.


Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with?


Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.

-sketch- [759554]

You mess with the occult, you'll not only lose your mind. You will lose your soul.

Get out while you still can.

Jesus Christ is the only way.

Praying for you all. I want to see you guys in heaven.

DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]

I’m very happy and fulfilled practicing my occult path. I am a former Christian and it was very spiritually lacking and I grew tired of the fear and guilt and obedient slave mentality that is expected by the church.
Besides, if you were to study the true origins and meanings of the Bible, you’d discover it’s full of Kabbalah (a path of Jewish mysticism) references and metaphors for awakening our own inner Divinity. The Bible is not meant to be taken literally at face value. The first Christians were mystics. In essence, God is the universal life force which is expressed and experienced through man. As Aleister Crowley says, “ there is no God but man.” And “There is no part of me that is not of the gods”. A very crude summary but I’m also trying not write a novel, LOL.

-sketch- [759554]

Keep buying the lie that you are a god. The first lie satan ever told was exactly that. The pharisees, the jewish religious leaders of the day who Jesus attacked most, were the authors of the kabbalah. Many hostile references to Christ in that joke of a book. The old testament is how God used the jewish people to begin his redemptive plan to defeat death. The new testament tells us how he did it.

If there is no heaven and hell, no Day of Judgement, then face the facts: Life is ultimately meaningless. All those hidden crimes, disgusting acts of evil, will ultimately go unpunished.

crowley was a murderous, child molesting, madman. It amazes me how people find this creature more trustworthy, more reliable than Christ. Get a grip!