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Posted on 01:02:20 - 04/05/21 (5 months ago)
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Heyo,

That's a very kind message, thank you :) I am in Europe and sadly any and all things related to Satanism, Witches, Paganism etc are frowned upon. Like, people wouldn't really care if you tell them you're pagan, but if you tell them you do rituals, or that you belong to CoS, it could cripple you. Much like in USA, I'd assume, but because of that here in Europe we have a lot less open followers than over there. So whilst I've heard of great orgies you spoke about, sadly I have never - and I doubt I ever will - participated in one. Hell, even finding a single Satanist (that I didn't fear would kill me because they worship actual Satan) was next to impossible here.

I'll proceed to do what I am and just keep an eye out on things related to CoS and TST without actually being in such organizations. I genuinely do believe their causes are good and they have good ideas but just like you said, the people behind them... I wouldn't trust them. I just can't. I also know very little of Crowley so I haven't formed any opinions of him just yet.
Sweeney_Todd [27468]
I live in europe too, and everything you have said is utter shite...

Europe lives by paganism, it is our default belief...

So feel free to f**k off...

Ok Sweeney Todd, we get it. You disagree with our beliefs. Enough with the name calling and shit slinging. Move on and be miserable somewhere else. Also, my wife is a Belgian immigrant and I have several friends in Italy, Germany and Poland, and no they are not mostly pagan. Europe is over all very heavily Christianized. Blasphemy against the church is illegal in Poland. Anyway, kindly go away now.
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Ok Sweeney Todd, we get it. You disagree with our beliefs. Enough with the name calling and shit slinging. Move on and be miserable somewhere else. 

Also, my wife is a Belgian immigrant and I have several friends in Italy, Germany and Poland, and no they are not mostly pagan. Europe is over all very heavily Christianized. Blasphemy against the church is illegal in Poland. 

Anyway, kindly go away now.
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Posted on 01:17:49 - 04/05/21 (5 months ago)
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DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]
Hey Wolfie,
I’m a former Church of Satan member (LaVey’s Satanism for anyone else reading this who doesn’t know he’s the founder), but left the organization after I realized that indeed they were a bunch of assholes. I discovered that once I moved to New York City and became personally close with many of the Priesthood here. They’re back stabbers, liars and pretentious drunks who just talk shit about other people instead of truly embracing the ideals and philosophies LaVey set forth. It’s unfortunate that an organization which promotes free thinking and individual creative pursuit deteriorated into a social club of group-think who chastised anyone who thought differently than them.

Although the orgies they had at their private parties were fun!

The organization fell to shit after LaVey died and came under the new High Priest, Peter Gilmore. I never met him but I met several of his close friends.

Anywho, the “proper magic” you mention was never a supernatural belief. It had to do with basically applied atheism which was emotionally expressed through ritual (humans have always used stories and mythology to express the universal concepts of that which makes us truly human and, and the subconscious speaks in the language of symbols and metaphors so ritual satisfy that, and magic is merely creating change in conformity with one’s will, so by all intent and purpose, even cooking dinner is considered a magical act). LaVey taught that by ritually releasing emotional hang ups in the “intellectual decompress chamber” freed the mind in the real world to be better equipped to focus and for willpower to be more pure and undistracted. Self empowerment is really the heart and soul of the CoS, and Satan was a representation of the human self and all his / her potential to master their own world.

There a lot of things LaVey stole from Crowley as far as day to day philosophy, but unfortunately he watered much of it down and simplified and limited it in many ways and claimed it as his own findings. However, that doesn’t invalidate the usefulness of most of his writings nonetheless.

You say you follow some of his philosophies of self empowerment as an atheist and not being a dick to anyone, well, sounds like you’re a more proper Satanist than most of the life-long folks dedicated to the organization.

ðŸ¤˜ðŸ»
Wolfie [2003328]
Heyo,

That's a very kind message, thank you :) I am in Europe and sadly any and all things related to Satanism, Witches, Paganism etc are frowned upon. Like, people wouldn't really care if you tell them you're pagan, but if you tell them you do rituals, or that you belong to CoS, it could cripple you. Much like in USA, I'd assume, but because of that here in Europe we have a lot less open followers than over there. So whilst I've heard of great orgies you spoke about, sadly I have never - and I doubt I ever will - participated in one. Hell, even finding a single Satanist (that I didn't fear would kill me because they worship actual Satan) was next to impossible here.

I'll proceed to do what I am and just keep an eye out on things related to CoS and TST without actually being in such organizations. I genuinely do believe their causes are good and they have good ideas but just like you said, the people behind them... I wouldn't trust them. I just can't. I also know very little of Crowley so I haven't formed any opinions of him just yet.

I know what you mean. Here in USA, mostly the big cities is where you’ll find most the country’s pagans, occultists, etc, but once you leave the cities, especially in the southern states, it’s “God’s country”. Although atheism is growing rapidly here as church membership continues to drop nation wide. It’s better to follow your own path anyway because although lodges and covens can be beneficial for learning hands on and “correct” ways of conducting rituals, they can easily become tainted with people like we mentioned before, and things like the orgies and ritualized sex can get in the way if conducted by the wrong people who are too attached to their own hang-ups. There’s enough published material and contact online with experienced practitioners that can more than make up for the lack of physical company of others, which will give you what you need to carve your own way as you will it. “If the path is already laid out in front of you, it’s someone else’s path, not yours.” - Joseph Campbell
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I know what you mean. Here in USA, mostly the big cities is where you’ll find most the country’s pagans, occultists, etc, but once you leave the cities, especially in the southern states, it’s “God’s country”. Although atheism is growing rapidly here as church membership continues to drop nation wide. 


It’s better to follow your own path anyway because although lodges and covens can be beneficial for learning hands on and “correct” ways of conducting rituals, they can easily become tainted with people like we mentioned before, and things like the orgies and ritualized sex can get in the way if conducted by the wrong people who are too attached to their own hang-ups. 
There’s enough published material and contact online with experienced practitioners that can more than make up for the lack of physical company of others, which will give you what you need to carve your own way as you will it. 


“If the path is already laid out in front of you, it’s someone else’s path, not yours.”
- Joseph Campbell
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Posted on 22:27:35 - 04/05/21 (5 months ago)
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DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]
Ok Sweeney Todd, we get it. You disagree with our beliefs. Enough with the name calling and shit slinging. Move on and be miserable somewhere else.

Also, my wife is a Belgian immigrant and I have several friends in Italy, Germany and Poland, and no they are not mostly pagan. Europe is over all very heavily Christianized. Blasphemy against the church is illegal in Poland.

Anyway, kindly go away now.

Or not... Just because you do not like my opinion does not mean it should be ignored. That's what makes discussions fun... [img]/images/v2/emotions/sick.png[/img]
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Or not...

Just because you do not like my opinion does not mean it should be ignored. That's what makes discussions fun... 
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Posted on 03:05:39 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ. All the best! P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff! Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
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Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

All the best!

P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
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Posted on 04:18:24 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

All the best!

P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you. secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”? Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult. Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with? Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.
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Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you.

secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”?  


Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult. 


Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with? 


Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.
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Posted on 12:26:18 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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i am a INDIA based WARLOCK.......hi sisters is there any big coven here in india i live alone and wont mind some company i am 18 and know the arts of mystics and many other rituals all praise satan wish u all an unholy day
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i am a INDIA based WARLOCK.......hi sisters is there any big coven here in india
i live alone and wont mind some company i am 18 and know the arts of mystics and many other rituals


all praise satan
wish u all an unholy day
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Posted on 14:28:15 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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I AM SATAN
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I AM SATAN
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Posted on 15:22:59 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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I AM SATAN

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Posted on 23:03:10 - 06/05/21 (5 months ago)
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-sketch- [759554]
Well, I guess I can only hope and pray that you will at some point come to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

All the best!

P.S I hope you could at least check out a fella on youtube named Steve Bancarz. Super interesting stuff!

Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StevenBancarz/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]
Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you.

secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”?

Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult.

Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with?

Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.

Sixthly, you missed the sarcasm... [img]/images/v2/emotions/sick.png[/img]
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Sixthly, you missed the sarcasm... 
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Posted on 01:18:44 - 24/05/21 (5 months ago)
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DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]
Firstly, this thread is looking for like-minded people. You don’t agree with our beliefs? this is not the place for you.

secondly, One of the main things I hate about Christianity is how pushy you people are and expecting everyone to think like you. There’s hundreds of faiths and thousands of gods in the world, and they all lead to the same universal source and communication with the Divine / Higher Self to some degree. Why is YOUR way the “only way”?

Thirdly, I studied to be a Lutheran Deacon for a couple years (which means I’m extremely knowledgeable about the Gospels) before I developed a deeper more mystical interpretation of who / what God is, thus leading me into the occult.

Fourthly, I already told you I’m very happy practicing my path, why would you expect me to change and conform into something I don’t agree with?

Fifthly, I enjoy a hearty religious debate, but if I’m talking to someone with their fingers in their ear who will automatically disregard everything I say, I will not waste my time. If however, you want to rebuttal my comments with an intelligent and philosophical argument about theology, I’m open for discussion. I just won’t accept that “I will pray you find Jesus” bullshit.

Is it alright if I have a seat here? Im Christian too although sometimes I do refer to myself as a pagan Christian. I suffer from the regular BS as many, hypocrisy,ignorance, more stuff Im sure. Makes me greatful for the redeamer. And as a critical thinker yeah I look at his life, partied with taxmen, whors, sinners, and murderers, turned water to wine and brought the munchies when nobody had none, helped all that he could. Truly the chillest of bros. Wish I could be ever more like him.
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Is it alright if I have a seat here?

Im Christian too although sometimes I do refer to myself as a pagan Christian. I suffer from the regular BS as many, hypocrisy,ignorance, more stuff Im sure.

Makes me greatful for the redeamer. 

And as a critical thinker yeah I look at his life, partied with taxmen, whors, sinners, and murderers, turned water to wine and brought the munchies when nobody had none, helped all that he could.

Truly the chillest of bros.


Wish I could be ever more like him.
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Posted on 07:40:21 - 29/06/21 (3 months ago)
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Diary of a drug fiend is definitely in my top 10 recommended books.
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Diary of a drug fiend is definitely in my top 10 recommended books.
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Posted on 12:19:40 - 03/07/21 (3 months ago)
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just a thought.... what if.... all the things people call "demons" are not actually demons, but yet are the true/old gods? we see nothing of abrhamic gods.... but yet we see plenty of evidence for beings that the church and their never seen god would call "demons" that come to us in our dreams and make themselves known.... now tell me, what if Abrahamic religions such as Christianity is the deceiver, and these things they painted as evil and called demons are actually the true gods that our ancestors once worshipped and revered?
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just a thought.... what if.... all the things people call "demons" are not actually demons, but yet are the true/old gods?

we see nothing of abrhamic gods.... but yet we see plenty of evidence for beings that the church and their never seen god would call "demons" that come to us in our dreams and make themselves known.... now tell me, what if Abrahamic religions such as Christianity is the deceiver, and these things they painted as evil and called demons are actually the true gods that our ancestors once worshipped and revered?
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Posted on 17:32:07 - 03/07/21 (3 months ago)
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Demonolater here. Some of us ascribe to the pagan umbrella, so hello, haha. edit// Aw, TIL emojis show up as ???
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Demonolater here. Some of us ascribe to the pagan umbrella, so hello, haha.

edit// Aw, TIL emojis show up as ???
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Posted on 21:18:29 - 20/07/21 (3 months ago)
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California witch here :-) love all things paranormal!
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California witch here :-) love all things paranormal!
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Posted on 21:15:40 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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Secular witch on the west coast US here! I have an avid interest in all things occult. Nice to meet you all!
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Secular witch on the west coast US here! I have an avid interest in all things occult. Nice to meet you all!
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Posted on 19:01:24 - 20/09/21 (1 month ago)
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-sketch- [759554]
You mess with the occult, you'll not only lose your mind. You will lose your soul.

Get out while you still can.

Jesus Christ is the only way.

Praying for you all. I want to see you guys in heaven.
DoWhatThouWilt [2669003]
I’m very happy and fulfilled practicing my occult path. I am a former Christian and it was very spiritually lacking and I grew tired of the fear and guilt and obedient slave mentality that is expected by the church.
Besides, if you were to study the true origins and meanings of the Bible, you’d discover it’s full of Kabbalah (a path of Jewish mysticism) references and metaphors for awakening our own inner Divinity. The Bible is not meant to be taken literally at face value. The first Christians were mystics. In essence, God is the universal life force which is expressed and experienced through man. As Aleister Crowley says, “ there is no God but man.” And “There is no part of me that is not of the gods”. A very crude summary but I’m also trying not write a novel, LOL.
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Keep buying the lie that you are a god. The first lie satan ever told was exactly that. The pharisees, the jewish religious leaders of the day who Jesus attacked most, were the authors of the kabbalah. Many hostile references to Christ in that joke of a book. The old testament is how God used the jewish people to begin his redemptive plan to defeat death. The new testament tells us how he did it.

If there is no heaven and hell, no Day of Judgement, then face the facts: Life is ultimately meaningless. All those hidden crimes, disgusting acts of evil, will ultimately go unpunished.

crowley was a murderous, child molesting, madman. It amazes me how people find this creature more trustworthy, more reliable than Christ. Get a grip!

[b][url=https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-6-37/]Luke 6:37[/url][/b] - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Sorry to tell you but; you judged, condemned and have yet to forgive...
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Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.  Sorry to tell you but; you judged, condemned and have yet to forgive...
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Posted on 16:50:59 - 15/10/21 (12 days ago)
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Fck it... After reading this thread, I felt I would share something about me which I do not normally do, a Testimonial... I grew up in a Christian Family... In my late teens I entered the occult (The days before the internet, where one had to read paperback books from bookstores or the library). I was part of the occult for over a decade, studied and practised anything and everything I could find my hands on, hungry after the truth and power. I started with Spiritual yoga, hypnotism, Wicca, paganism, kaballa, Qliphoth, Abrehelim the mage, Keys of Solomon, Osman Spare (Book of self love), Egyptian Magick, Angelic magick, Dark Grimoires, Crowley's work OTO, Demonic bible (Magus Tsirk Susej),Laveyan books, Cult of Cthulhu, Micheal W Ford's books, Zaruhustra, Freemasonry, Illuminati books (Albert Pike) and with time ended up as the South African representative of the ONA (Order of Nine Angles) and a Member of the Acsended Masters Foundation. I did horrible things, very horrible things. People who knew were scared of me, I looked down at those practising Theistic Satanism(Joy of Satan), Laveyans, etc. The ONA is the ONLY Cult where their system makes Scientifically sense at all. Using resonance for magikal workings, Stargates, and have real adepts and secret tasks, etc. Several other cult organization's tried to hunt me down locally, because they felt threatened of whom I was. I ended writing my own Sinister works and rituals. I had spiritual Guardians protecting me at all times.I was untouchable. My ex wife was a see-er, she did remote viewing. I had a small cult, I was untouchable... One day, a fellow worker (who did not knew who or what I was at the time), gave me a DVD with seminars of Dr.Kent Hovind. He explained everything from creation in his seminars, using basic science and facts. After watching it in 2010. I realised the truth. I could not argue his theory and facts. So I repented, and accepted Jesus back into my heart again. Not a day has gone by, that I am glad I made that choice to repent. What saddens me, is the mistake I made so many years ago, that still haunts me every so often when I think about it. Let me tell you, that the first lie Satan told was, that eat from the tree, and you will become like God (a God). It is the exact same lie, that has been told with all these new age religions, the exact same lie with technology (Human Hybrids with microchips: Neurolink). We are living in the end times, just look around you, when God spoke, and everything came into creation +/- 6500 years ago, his words resonated throughout creation, and is still resonating. A power way above our comprehension. When you look around, eveeything you see, God created, is that not enough proof? Even the ark had been found in the 70-80's, and will be revealed to the public within our life time. Satan is working to make everyone do exactly the opposite of the 10 Commandments. When the Stone Tablets will be revealed (After the mark of the beast- Neuralink?), it will be too late for some, and it will shock the world. The Vaccine had been a trial, to see how docile humanity is, to check how willingly people would take the mark, and how people would respond etc. This post is just from my personal life experience, and opinion. I do not condone other religions etc. Its a free world you have choice, your choice will determine your "afterlife". I hope I did not offend anyone with this post, as that is not my intention. My intention is to share my experience, I will edit this post if it needs to be. Do not msg me with any occultic questions etc.
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Fck it...
After reading this thread, I felt I would share something about me which I do not normally do, a Testimonial...


I grew up in a Christian Family...
In my late teens I entered the occult (The days before the internet, where one had to read paperback books from bookstores or the library).
I was part of the occult for over a decade, studied and practised anything and everything I could find my hands on, hungry after the truth and power. 


I started with Spiritual yoga, hypnotism,  Wicca, paganism, kaballa, Qliphoth, Abrehelim the mage, Keys of Solomon, Osman Spare (Book of self love), Egyptian Magick, Angelic magick, Dark Grimoires, Crowley's work OTO, Demonic bible (Magus Tsirk Susej),Laveyan books, Cult of Cthulhu,  Micheal W Ford's books, Zaruhustra, Freemasonry,  Illuminati books (Albert Pike) and with time ended up as the South African representative of the ONA (Order of Nine Angles) and a Member of the Acsended Masters Foundation. 


I did horrible things, very horrible things. People who knew were scared of me, I looked down at those practising Theistic Satanism(Joy of Satan), Laveyans, etc.


The ONA is the ONLY Cult where their system makes Scientifically sense at all. Using resonance for magikal workings, Stargates, and have real adepts and secret tasks, etc. 


Several other cult organization's tried to hunt me down locally, because they felt threatened of whom I was. I ended writing my own Sinister works and rituals. I had spiritual Guardians protecting me at all times.I was untouchable. My ex wife was a see-er, she did remote viewing. I had a small cult, I was untouchable... 


One day, a fellow worker (who did not knew who or what I was at the time), gave me a DVD with seminars of Dr.Kent Hovind. He explained everything from creation in his seminars, using basic science and facts. 


After watching it in 2010. I realised the truth. I could not argue his theory and facts. So I repented, and accepted Jesus back into my heart again. 
Not a day has gone by, that I am glad I made that choice to repent. What saddens me, is the mistake I made so many years ago, that still haunts me every so often when I think about it. 


Let me tell you, that the first lie Satan told was, that eat from the tree, and you will become like God (a God). It is the exact same lie, that has been told with all these new age religions, the exact same lie with technology (Human Hybrids with microchips: Neurolink). 


We are living in the end times, just look around you, when God spoke, and everything came into creation +/- 6500 years ago, his words resonated throughout creation, and is still resonating. A power way above our comprehension. When you look around, eveeything you see, God created, is that not enough proof? 
Even the ark had been found in the 70-80's, and will be revealed to the public within our life time.
Satan is working to make everyone do exactly the opposite of the 10 Commandments. When the Stone Tablets will be revealed (After the mark of the beast- Neuralink?), it will be too late for some, and it will shock the world. The Vaccine had been a  trial, to see how docile humanity is, to check how willingly people would take the mark, and how people would respond etc. 


This post is just from my personal life experience, and opinion. I do not condone other religions etc. Its a free world you have choice, your choice will determine your "afterlife". I hope I did not offend anyone with this post, as that is not my intention. My intention is to share my experience, I will edit this post if it needs to be. Do not msg me with any occultic questions etc.
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