Sleep Paralysis. Scary or mere mind games?
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    Posted on 03:26:53 - 14/10/17 (1 year ago)
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    This is insane....

    Have there been any professionally done research projects on this? I'd love to learn more about it. Thankfully I've never suffered from sleep paralysis, as it sounds terrifying.

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    Posted on 13:18:44 - 14/10/17 (1 year ago)
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    I've had it happen a handful of times in my life.  The first time, I remember vividly.  Hot summer night, lying on my stomach with the window open.  The 11:00pm news was just coming on the TV, when I first sensed this malevolence.  Then I realized I couldn't move.  I tried desperately, while being aware of the room and tv noises.  When I finally burst free, I did so with quite a shout.  Freaked my poor mother.

    At that time in the 70s, no one I knew experienced anything like that and I didn't have the advantage of the internet.  So was on my own to figure that one out as a child.

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    Posted on 04:37:44 - 25/10/17 (1 year ago)
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    This happened to me yesterday. I was sleeping on my stomach around 4:30PM. I had a dream and in my dream, I was sleeping in the same position and same clothes. It was as if I am seeing myself. In that dream, I wanted to turn my body around but I wasn't able to move. I wanted to move my head at least but I just wasn't able to do that. I was scared in my dream as there was nothing around and yet it seemed that something pinned me down on my shoulder. I tried to scream in my dream but no sound came out of my mouth. I was thinking that this could be sleep paralysis and scared me because there was no one around to notice my situation. But, luckily, I felt my arm being bitten by a mosquito or something IRL. I scratched that and i broke free from that dream. I am still not sure of that was sleep paralysis or i just had a bad dream. 

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    Posted on 23:04:09 - 29/10/17 (1 year ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    I've had it happen a handful of times in my life.  The first time, I remember vividly.  Hot summer night, lying on my stomach with the window open.  The 11:00pm news was just coming on the TV, when I first sensed this malevolence.  Then I realized I couldn't move.  I tried desperately, while being aware of the room and tv noises.  When I finally burst free, I did so with quite a shout.  Freaked my poor mother.

    At that time in the 70s, no one I knew experienced anything like that and I didn't have the advantage of the internet.  So was on my own to figure that one out as a child.

    How did the malevolence manifest? Did it feel like the presence of an entity or was it just a general sense of malevolence?

    The shared aspects of sleep paralysis make this so damn interesting. It's hard to believe there isn't something more to it, or at least the possibility of it being some supernatural phenomenon (if only in part).

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    Posted on 19:32:45 - 05/11/17 (1 year ago)
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    is it some demonic shit tho, or just ur head? praying for all of you.

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    Posted on 20:31:38 - 02/12/17 (1 year ago)
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    There are two causes of sleep paralysis:

    1) You're actually astral projected out of body but your consciousness and memory of the event is left behind with the physical body. This is known as a "mind split". The end effect is that you feel "stuck" in your physical body and are unable to move despite your greatest effort.

    There are 4 combinations of memory recall when projecting:

    -complete absence of memory of either the physical or astral body's perspective (the overwhelming majority of people).

    -memory of the astral projection only but no recollection of the physical body's perspective (most astral projectors experience)

    -memory of the physical bodies perspective but not the astral bodies (what we call sleep paralysis)

    -simultaneous memory of BOTH the astral and physical bodies perspective.

    Imagine splitting your mind into two parts and having two entirely different and separate timelines/experiences then reassembling them into a single timeline. That's what it's like experiencing a full mind split.

    and the fifth level which very few people achieve: integration of your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system- being fully conscious and aware in your physical body while simultaneously being aware in your astral body. They are one and the same. This takes a ton of development and dedication to a spiritual path to attain but you can basically be awake and aware and move your physical body while astral projecting.

    The other cause of sleep paralysis is an entity encroaching on your space while you're asleep and keeping or holding you in the out of body state so that you feel paralyzed. These beings aren't powerful or anything- you are already asleep and so it isn't hard to keep you immobilized. If you're suffering from this kind of sleep paralysis just set up an electrical grounding on your bed. Entities are electrical in nature and will get sucked down into the earth exactly like electricity and never bother you again. You can also do a simple "psychic shielding" visualization for a few minutes before bed where you imagine a simple aura of light around yourself.

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    Posted on 15:50:56 - 03/12/17 (1 year ago)
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    Well, I did experience SP once. Even with my strong will I was not able to get out of the bed. I had no control over my body. 

    There is scientific explatation about this. Nevertheless, the majority of the time it is related to fear.

    In my case, first time we had a thief stealing from our home on the second floor. Quite astonishing.

    Since we were on guard at night, so i woke up hearing leaves making noise, which I had confused for the bulger. Wanted to scream for my father or move to do something but no. Not happening.

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    Another which I experienced often is the feeling of falling. Literally I fall within my bed and wake up at strong heart beat.

    I was not someone to had fear of high as a kid, I was rather jump from un thinkable height, or walking on the edge of the fist floor balcony.

    Yet since I became a young adult, I lodt body mass, get pain in ankle when jump off, not confident and now I can feel a wied feeling in my private part when there is height that alarm my spidey sense...

    Life was easier as a kid...

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    Posted on 03:55:18 - 04/12/17 (1 year ago)
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    Well, I did experience SP once. Even with my strong will I was not able to get out of the bed. I had no control over my body. 

    There is scientific explatation about this. Nevertheless, the majority of the time it is related to fear.

    In my case, first time we had a thief stealing from our home on the second floor. Quite astonishing.

    Since we were on guard at night, so i woke up hearing leaves making noise, which I had confused for the bulger. Wanted to scream for my father or move to do something but no. Not happening.

    --------

    Another which I experienced often is the feeling of falling. Literally I fall within my bed and wake up at strong heart beat.

    I was not someone to had fear of high as a kid, I was rather jump from un thinkable height, or walking on the edge of the fist floor balcony.

    Yet since I became a young adult, I lodt body mass, get pain in ankle when jump off, not confident and now I can feel a wied feeling in my private part when there is height that alarm my spidey sense...

    Life was easier as a kid...

    "Even with my strong will I was not able to get out of the bed"

    "There is a scientific explanation about this"

    Yes, there is a scientific explanation. When you are asleep, your body releases endogenous paralytic chemicals to keep you from moving in your sleep. Sleep paralysis is the result of a mixed wake/sleep state. Your conscious mind recognizes that your body is paralyzed, and the sleep/dream state fills in the blanks.

    Take this with a grain of salt. It's something I've read in the past, and I don't know if it's completely accurate or not. However, there are techniques for self-inducing sleep paralysis, and they give credibility to this explanation.

    The technique, which I've personally tried many times, though with limited success (I usually fall asleep):

    Your mind registers your body as being asleep after you've gone a certain amount of time without moving. The amount of time required to trick the mind into releasing the paralytic chemicals seems inconsistent. I've heard 10 minutes, but I'm guessing it's different for everybody and is likely dependent on a large number of variables. On a few occasions, I've managed to enter a semi-paralytic state (usually just my limbs), but remaining completely motionless for 10 minutes is a helluva lot harder than it sounds.

    And that's not even the hardest part of the induction. Before releasing the paralytic, your mind will 'test' you to make sure you are asleep. This will manifest as a very unpleasant itching sensation somewhere on your body, or (even worse) give you crawling sensations (my mind naturally jumps to spiders). You must fight the impulse to itch, master control of your mind and drive it out (while maintaining a trance-like state of mental relaxation), and still remain completely motionless. Trust me, it's hard.

    Moving your body while paralyzed by endogenous chemicals: impossible. Not moving your body while your scumbag brain makes your ankle itch: hard af.

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    There are two causes of sleep paralysis:

    1) You're actually astral projected out of body but your consciousness and memory of the event is left behind with the physical body. This is known as a "mind split". The end effect is that you feel "stuck" in your physical body and are unable to move despite your greatest effort.

    There are 4 combinations of memory recall when projecting:

    -complete absence of memory of either the physical or astral body's perspective (the overwhelming majority of people).

    -memory of the astral projection only but no recollection of the physical body's perspective (most astral projectors experience)

    -memory of the physical bodies perspective but not the astral bodies (what we call sleep paralysis)

    -simultaneous memory of BOTH the astral and physical bodies perspective.

    Imagine splitting your mind into two parts and having two entirely different and separate timelines/experiences then reassembling them into a single timeline. That's what it's like experiencing a full mind split.

    and the fifth level which very few people achieve: integration of your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system- being fully conscious and aware in your physical body while simultaneously being aware in your astral body. They are one and the same. This takes a ton of development and dedication to a spiritual path to attain but you can basically be awake and aware and move your physical body while astral projecting.

    The other cause of sleep paralysis is an entity encroaching on your space while you're asleep and keeping or holding you in the out of body state so that you feel paralyzed. These beings aren't powerful or anything- you are already asleep and so it isn't hard to keep you immobilized. If you're suffering from this kind of sleep paralysis just set up an electrical grounding on your bed. Entities are electrical in nature and will get sucked down into the earth exactly like electricity and never bother you again. You can also do a simple "psychic shielding" visualization for a few minutes before bed where you imagine a simple aura of light around yourself.

    Or thirdly you are diagnosed with having Nocturnal Seizures which I have now been. I have been suffering since the age of 16 to what I had believed was Sleep Paralysis. It has only come to light in the last month that I often have these seizures when falling asleep.

    I intentionally took an overdose on the 4th November this year and subsequently was admitted to hospital. After being moved to a High Dependency ward for close observation I was seen by nurses having a tonic-clonic seizure when falling asleep. 

    During this particular event I recalled having my usual symptoms of an episode of Sleep Paralysis (see page 1, post 2), but the reality was I was actually having a Nocturnal Seizure.

    Anyone suffering from frequent episodes of Sleep Paralysis should also seek a medical opinion on the possibility of Nocturnal Seizures.

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    Scariest thing I've ever experienced trying to call for help but it's impossible 

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    Scariest thing I've ever experienced trying to call for help but it's impossible 

    I used to have a ton of recurring [stereotypical] nightmares where I was unable to speak or scream, and couldn't run (or sometimes even move at all).

    They say that it's born from a subconscious sense of being powerless. I say my brain is just a dick.

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    Posted on 22:33:50 - 27/01/18 (11 months ago)
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    I've experienced sleep paralysis a few times, and posted my stories in an older thread. While I don't necessarily believe it's a strictly paranormal phenomenon, the shared "hallucination" of the old hag/witch makes me wonder. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for most/all of it, but I've yet to find a satisfying explanation as to why so many of us see the exact same thing.

    I've seen the hag. I want to know why I saw the hag, and what it means, because I didn't just see the hag. The hag saw me.

    I have also suffered from bouts of sleep paralysis throughout my life, fortunately rarely. It always occurs when I fall asleep on my back. I heard it has to do with being stuck somewhere between sleep and consciousness (sort of a somnial pergatory). While the paralysis is what triggers the utter terror in my episodes, I have seen a shadow figure in the corner of the room a few times ( similar to the fabled old hag). From what Ive read, theses apparitions are ancient archetypes hardwired in the deepest parts of the mind across all cultures. Hope this sheds some light for my fellow sufferers. And dont forget to sleep on your side.

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    Posted on 06:25:15 - 30/01/18 (11 months ago)
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    I have also suffered from bouts of sleep paralysis throughout my life, fortunately rarely. It always occurs when I fall asleep on my back. I heard it has to do with being stuck somewhere between sleep and consciousness (sort of a somnial pergatory). While the paralysis is what triggers the utter terror in my episodes, I have seen a shadow figure in the corner of the room a few times ( similar to the fabled old hag). From what Ive read, theses apparitions are ancient archetypes hardwired in the deepest parts of the mind across all cultures. Hope this sheds some light for my fellow sufferers. And dont forget to sleep on your side.

    What I've heard (but have not verified in any way) is that the body releases an endogenous paralytic when it thinks you're asleep (to keep you from moving around and whatnot). Sleep paralysis can be self-induced by lying completely motionless for a period of time (I've heard 10 minutes, but I've never achieved it in that short of a time), therefore tricking your mind into thinking you've fallen asleep. This theory suggests that sleep paralysis is, like you said, produced by being caught between the waking and dream state. Your body is still under the effect of the paralytic, which accounts for being unable to move (obviously), and the depressed respiratory system accounts for the sensation of being choked/suffocated.

    As for the hag... I don't know. I'd like to hear someone explain how an archetype becomes hardwired in humanity to the point that unrelated people all across the globe experience the exact same delusion. I've seen the hag. Not just the shadow; I've full-on stared into the eyes of the hag. The hag is evil. I don't know if the hag is real or not, but the hag is evil.

    I had never seen the hag before that night. Never even knew it was a common experience with sleep paralysis. Hell, I barely even knew what sleep paralysis was. So how could the hag I saw so closely resemble the fabled hag found in stories across the globe?

    I wish inducing sleep paralysis was easier. I try nearly every night, but I can't get it to work. I need to understand this. As my spiritual beliefs progress, though, I'm starting to worry that there is something demonic involved here.

    Edit: I just realized that I posted most of this earlier in the thread. Sorry

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    Posted on 06:31:20 - 30/01/18 (11 months ago)
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    Drygord [2089596]

    There are two causes of sleep paralysis:

    1) You're actually astral projected out of body but your consciousness and memory of the event is left behind with the physical body. This is known as a "mind split". The end effect is that you feel "stuck" in your physical body and are unable to move despite your greatest effort.

    There are 4 combinations of memory recall when projecting:

    -complete absence of memory of either the physical or astral body's perspective (the overwhelming majority of people).

    -memory of the astral projection only but no recollection of the physical body's perspective (most astral projectors experience)

    -memory of the physical bodies perspective but not the astral bodies (what we call sleep paralysis)

    -simultaneous memory of BOTH the astral and physical bodies perspective.

    Imagine splitting your mind into two parts and having two entirely different and separate timelines/experiences then reassembling them into a single timeline. That's what it's like experiencing a full mind split.

    and the fifth level which very few people achieve: integration of your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system- being fully conscious and aware in your physical body while simultaneously being aware in your astral body. They are one and the same. This takes a ton of development and dedication to a spiritual path to attain but you can basically be awake and aware and move your physical body while astral projecting.

    The other cause of sleep paralysis is an entity encroaching on your space while you're asleep and keeping or holding you in the out of body state so that you feel paralyzed. These beings aren't powerful or anything- you are already asleep and so it isn't hard to keep you immobilized. If you're suffering from this kind of sleep paralysis just set up an electrical grounding on your bed. Entities are electrical in nature and will get sucked down into the earth exactly like electricity and never bother you again. You can also do a simple "psychic shielding" visualization for a few minutes before bed where you imagine a simple aura of light around yourself.

    I had completely missed this post. This is one of the most intriguing things I've ever read about sleep paralysis

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    Of course there is a scientific explanation for sleep paralysis but it's one of those things that just hasn't been definitively solved. There could also be some sort of a paranormal reason behind it which would explain all of the different shared experiences between different people that it has occurred to.

      As for my experiences, it's happened to me many times over the last 10 years or so. The event that stood out to me the most is when I "woke up" and realized I couldn't move I knew that it was happening again (anytime anything bad happens in my dreams is the only time its lucid so I taught myself to wake up from nightmares for certain reasons but thats another story) and was laying there trying to fully wake myself up. That's when I noticed a shadow outside my window that I immediately recognized as being what I dubbed "The Man". The Man was a recurring figure in my nightmares who would always be standing outside my window, only noticeable by his silhouette and his glowing red eye that I could see through the blinds. Normally when I would look at him he would just disappear or something like that, but this time he kind of "darted away" (don't really know how to explain it) and at that point I became fully terrified because I would have no way of knowing if he had come in to my room behind me since I was facing the window and that was opposite the door (for the same reasons I didn't explain earlier being touched by something in my nightmares was something I really seeked to avoid).

    I finally came to when I heard a little creak from the door opening and that jolt of fear raised me out of that state.

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    LOL so many persons speaking about "paranormal things and demonic presences".

    Those are just terrifying nightmares. I experienced SP many times but not even once I felt an "evil presence" or a paranormal one.

    In my case I often had the fear of someone hitting me while I was paralyzed (even if there was noone). Sometimes when experiencing this while sleeping on the stomach I had the fear and the feeling to choke in the pillow.

    When I was a child I also often experienced the "free-fall" nightmare someone already spoke about. In my case it wasn't a nightmare but more like an intense dream full of adrenaline: I was falling from the sky to my bed. Same feeling as riding a free-fall rollercoaster.

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    LOL so many persons speaking about "paranormal things and demonic presences".

    Those are just terrifying nightmares. I experienced SP many times but not even once I felt an "evil presence" or a paranormal one.

    In my case I often had the fear of someone hitting me while I was paralyzed (even if there was noone). Sometimes when experiencing this while sleeping on the stomach I had the fear and the feeling to choke in the pillow.

    When I was a child I also often experienced the "free-fall" nightmare someone already spoke about. In my case it wasn't a nightmare but more like an intense dream full of adrenaline: I was falling from the sky to my bed. Same feeling as riding a free-fall rollercoaster.

    Fascinating. I love the arrogance of thinking that your few experiences with what you self-asses as sleep paralysis negates the whole discussion. This thread is mostly compromised of people who have done at least a modicum of research into the phenomenon. What have you done?

    Stereotypical atheist. So insecure about the moral and spiritual vacuum within yourself that you have to bash anybody that believes in something you don't. You're all pathetic.

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    Tony-Soprano [2032230]

    LOL so many persons speaking about "paranormal things and demonic presences".

    Those are just terrifying nightmares. I experienced SP many times but not even once I felt an "evil presence" or a paranormal one.

    In my case I often had the fear of someone hitting me while I was paralyzed (even if there was noone). Sometimes when experiencing this while sleeping on the stomach I had the fear and the feeling to choke in the pillow.

    When I was a child I also often experienced the "free-fall" nightmare someone already spoke about. In my case it wasn't a nightmare but more like an intense dream full of adrenaline: I was falling from the sky to my bed. Same feeling as riding a free-fall rollercoaster.

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    Fascinating. I love the arrogance of thinking that your few experiences with what you self-asses as sleep paralysis negates the whole discussion. This thread is mostly compromised of people who have done at least a modicum of research into the phenomenon. What have you done?

    Stereotypical atheist. So insecure about the moral and spiritual vacuum within yourself that you have to bash anybody that believes in something you don't. You're all pathetic.

    I'm afraid you are overreacting and overexagerating even if I must admit I probably used too rough tones.

    I'm sorry that you felt directly attacked by me, it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to share my MANY experiences (not "just a few" as you state).

    Btw your many accusations spanning from religion to morality and spirituality are just weird, really.

    Let me reprashe my opinion: I think these are just nightmares. The fact that many persons experience the same nightmare tells nothing to me. People also have similar erotic dreams, falling-from sky dreams etc.

    You felt all these demonic presences probably because you fear them. And in nightmares you experience your fears. In my case I had different fears.. it seems pretty normal to me and I'd never associate it with "real" demonic presences.

    I'd really be more scared if no-one else had the same nightmare

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    I'm afraid you are overreacting and overexagerating even if I must admit I probably used too rough tones.

    I'm sorry that you felt directly attacked by me, it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to share my MANY experiences (not "just a few" as you state).

    Btw your many accusations spanning from religion to morality and spirituality are just weird, really.

    Let me reprashe my opinion: I think these are just nightmares. The fact that many persons experience the same nightmare tells nothing to me. People also have similar erotic dreams, falling-from sky dreams etc.

    You felt all these demonic presences probably because you fear them. And in nightmares you experience your fears. In my case I had different fears.. it seems pretty normal to me and I'd never associate it with "real" demonic presences.

    I'd really be more scared if no-one else had the same nightmare

    There's a difference between having "similar dreams" and seeing essentially the exact same figure.

    I didn't fear demonic presences because I didn't believe in demons when I experienced those things. The fact that I saw "the hag" was striking to me because I had never seen or heard of the hag before she visited me. Coincidences exist, but I draw a line at a certain point. Unrelated and unconnected people, spanning across the globe and across generations, experiencing the same phenomenon in the same way... that tells me there's the potential for a "deeper" explanation.

    The fact that you've never experienced anything "paranormal" in your SP experiences makes me wonder why you feel qualified to assess our experiences.

    And I think you need to re-examine the meanings of "many" and "few".

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    Tony-Soprano [2032230]

    I'm afraid you are overreacting and overexagerating even if I must admit I probably used too rough tones.

    I'm sorry that you felt directly attacked by me, it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to share my MANY experiences (not "just a few" as you state).

    Btw your many accusations spanning from religion to morality and spirituality are just weird, really.

    Let me reprashe my opinion: I think these are just nightmares. The fact that many persons experience the same nightmare tells nothing to me. People also have similar erotic dreams, falling-from sky dreams etc.

    You felt all these demonic presences probably because you fear them. And in nightmares you experience your fears. In my case I had different fears.. it seems pretty normal to me and I'd never associate it with "real" demonic presences.

    I'd really be more scared if no-one else had the same nightmare

    MadHatter [486416]

    There's a difference between having "similar dreams" and seeing essentially the exact same figure.

    I didn't fear demonic presences because I didn't believe in demons when I experienced those things. The fact that I saw "the hag" was striking to me because I had never seen or heard of the hag before she visited me. Coincidences exist, but I draw a line at a certain point. Unrelated and unconnected people, spanning across the globe and across generations, experiencing the same phenomenon in the same way... that tells me there's the potential for a "deeper" explanation.

    The fact that you've never experienced anything "paranormal" in your SP experiences makes me wonder why you feel qualified to assess our experiences.

    And I think you need to re-examine the meanings of "many" and "few".

    i'm pretty sure i never experienced anything "paranormal" in my SPs only because "paranormal things" are not part of my fears; not even in the subconscious.

    many people across the world gets the same dreams (not only nightmares), exact same fears, same mental illnesses, same diseases,, same [etc]. that doesn't mean they are connected to paranormal things. To me it just means we are all humans with human minds. that's why we are not "unrelated".
    Speaking about exact same dream i bet MANY persons in the world had the same erotic dream with [insert celebrity name here] lol.

    btw i had SPs multiple times a month for about 2 years. Plus when i was child the free-fall dream has been the most recurring for as far as i remember.
    I also had dreams/nightmares of a blob monster sucking me into itself. Or nightmares in which you are chased by a fast running monster / demonic presence. I read these are common nightmares but i don't relate them to paranormal.

    In the end It's been many years since my last SP