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    Posted on 12:47:50 - 12/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    i'm getting used to people spitting fake news based on social networks posts or shit like that. in reality what's even worse to me is the attention given to a bunch of deluded people who are vulnerable to this kind of brain washing and are continously being exploited for whatever reason, from propaganda to just selling "news", instead of being helped, because this is what they would need. they are no different from mentally ill people and the worst you can do with those is fueling their delusions possibly bringing them to extreme consequences.

    apparently even here in torn there is the same situation. ched and the moderators think this is a science related discussion for example and even though i have reported the thread twice, contacted a moderator and even ched himself, nothing has happened. it would seem normal to most to put a thread like this in a more appropriate section, but apparently the staff wants to pretend that conspiracy ramblings are "scientific".
    this is very disappointing and luckily i haven't had covid and neither anyone i know, because i can't imagine how frustrating would be in that situation.

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    Posted on 20:11:01 - 12/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Alric_Von_Drew [2549702]

    Well, explain what you mean by saying that people are dying but not from the virus.

    What does that even mean? That the virus does not kill anyone?

    mkarim [1309896]

    It isn't the virus in itself that is killing people. It is the hospital protocols that are killing patients. The virus is just a cover for those killings.

    Alric_Von_Drew [2549702]

    Wow, that's new.

    Can you clarify if you mean that medical professionals are voluntarily killing people, or if they just don't know how to treat the virus?

    In the second case, what would you do? Do you have a working protocol?

    mkarim [1309896]

    What I am going to say is based on what is happening in the country where I live (Lebanon) and it happens that I have contacts in several other countries principally in Europe and some others in North America that proved that what is going on in my country is true.

    1- Not all medical professionals are voluntarily "killing" patients.

    2- Those professionals who aren't implicated in such deaths are starting to ask questions about the protocols implemented because they are seeing with their own eyes that such protocols aren't adequate and that most deaths could have been avoided. BUT they are obliged to abide by implementing those deadly protocols.


    3- I used to personally know an MD who is working with the Pentagon who makes sure that those protocols are implemented without question. He also advice some US military personnel on how to improve medical facilities in the Middle East. He and his relatives are in public without any mask because they know that COVID is a joke and keep smiling on how much people are abiding and following blindly medical advices.

    As for the remaining questions, people are free to do whatever they believe in.
    That is one of the dumbest shit i ever seen i got like 5 people in family and cousin that work in hospitals, you conspirecys are f**king worse then that ancient aliens shit

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    Posted on 22:59:08 - 13/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    mkarim [1309896]

    In 2020, COVID19 has hit everywhere and still is. There has been a lot of conspiracies that are still running, some of them are true and others aren't. Accordingly, I wanted to make this poll and hear what you have to say.

    Thanks in advance for answering.
    Another dumb f**k anti vaccer tries to spread bullshit they read online...

    Morons...

    I will never lie to you. What I say is how I feel...

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    Posted on 22:13:32 - 20/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    For me this could go either way . I'm just enjoying my popcorn  *crunch*
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    Posted on 22:15:51 - 21/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    I mean... Lets talk about masks, they are a controversy to many deniers, with deniers even burning the masks.

    Masks are only truly effective at reducing spread if a large enough part of the population is infected. I was unable to find the article right now, I'll just use imaginary numbers for this. If 10% are infected, 40% of the population using masks would be enough to lower the speed of the spread. If 1% of the population has the infection, 100% of the population needs to use a mask to lower the spread. Keep in mind that some people, such as people with respiratory issues, cannot wear masks. In my city I believe we have like 0.2% of the population currently infected. (wearing a mask is not required, but recommended right now - I wear it).

    On the other hand, wearing a mask will reduce the number of viruses someone catches. If you're infection starts with 2 viruses (I believe it was influenza that could infect with only 2 viruses, we don't know with covid) your body will have an immune system ready to fight it gradually, while if you are infected by 20,000 viruses (someone coughing in your face) the transition is a lot harder on your body - and if not lethal, you might get permanent organ damages that could have been avoided - had everyone worn a mask.

    Something that was published not too many weeks ago here in Norway was that over half the population use masks in the wrong way, I do so myself even. I use the same 1-time-use surgical mask for maybe 2-4 weeks, like many others. Using it over and over increases the chance that you catch the virus, while, as far as I know, it still protects others.

    Yet another thing is that having a beard will nullify the use of the mask, except for when you cough, but even then a lot of particles will exit through your beard instead of getting filtered.

    I just felt like this thread needed to at least touch on something that was real, instead of just conspiracies. Nothing I wrote above is remotely related to any conspiracy theory, yet just with masks you could have a whole thread. Starting at a government conspiracy level when just masks is such a big topic is pointless, you won't produce electronics if you don't understand ohms law.
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    Posted on 00:11:04 - 22/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    I wear a mask on my butt too.  Just in case when I cough and fart at the same time.  It catches the Covid that blows out my butthole. 

    I saw this on Breitbart when a popup from CNN suggested I read an article from InfoWars. About a Facebook post that was totally true because someone on Twitter said so. So yea, it's 100% legit. Covid can be spread from your anal sphincter.
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    Posted on 23:53:25 - 22/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Judge_Doom [2140277]

    I wear a mask on my butt too. Just in case when I cough and fart at the same time. It catches the Covid that blows out my butthole.

    I saw this on Breitbart when a popup from CNN suggested I read an article from InfoWars. About a Facebook post that was totally true because someone on Twitter said so. So yea, it's 100% legit. Covid can be spread from your anal sphincter.
    Another dumb f**k quoting shit they read online. Strangers know better than doctors...

    Promise me one thing. When you get ill, and you will, stay away from hospitals. Convince yourself it is all made up as you cough up blood and slowly die...

    But you won't. You'll run like a child and beg treatment...

    I will never lie to you. What I say is how I feel...

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    Posted on 09:38:27 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Optimally: Just wash hands, wear mask and socially distance  in line with medical guidelines and it will help to reduce transmission until all who can be are vaccinated.  

    Some won't, some can't, there are always outliers. But play it safe and be part of the collective effort to reduce these unfortunate deaths. Happily, the same efforts have reduced the incidence of other transmittable diseases too :)

    Good luck to all of us..
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    Posted on 12:18:27 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Judge_Doom [2140277]

    I wear a mask on my butt too. Just in case when I cough and fart at the same time. It catches the Covid that blows out my butthole.

    I saw this on Breitbart when a popup from CNN suggested I read an article from InfoWars. About a Facebook post that was totally true because someone on Twitter said so. So yea, it's 100% legit. Covid can be spread from your anal sphincter.

    Sweeney_Todd [27468]

    Another dumb f**k quoting shit they read online. Strangers know better than doctors...

    Promise me one thing. When you get ill, and you will, stay away from hospitals. Convince yourself it is all made up as you cough up blood and slowly die...

    But you won't. You'll run like a child and beg treatment...
    You couldn't tell that was a shitpost?  

    That said,many of l the mainstream media outlets are saying just that. That the covids could spread through farts and poop so flush with the toilet lids down or else you might be spreading the covids.



    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health...
    Apr 28, 2021 · There are concerns toilets could spreadCOVID-19 because flushing could generate aerosols that linger in the air. A report published in the Medical Journal of Australia highlighted several examples of how coronavirus was spreading via airborne transmission including by “faecal aerosols produced by toilet flushing”.
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    Posted on 12:41:19 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Anti-vaxxers, anti maskers, and fiction based conspiracy theorists are brain washed. Opinions and belief are not the same thing as knowledge but that's probably going to go over anyone's head that believes covid is a hoax. The article you posted IS FROM A TABLOID. Spreading misinformation is the worst and most unethical thing you can do during a pandemic especially when that misinformation dissuades people from doing all that they can or a least the bare minimum, to keep the virus from spreading......... But here is THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART OF YOUR DELUSION: "Vaccination certificates, apps and color-coded masks are among the tools proposed to track who has been inoculated for COVID-19." Now I know inoculated is a biggg word, but ill do you the kindness of explaining it. IT MEANS THEY'VE RECIEVED THE VACCINE. There is still a small chance of getting the virus after being vaccinated so yes he medical workers removing their masks were doing he wrong thing. https://khn.org/morning-breakout/how-will-we-know-who-has-been-vaccinated. KFF serves as a nonpartisan source of facts, analysis and journalism for policymakers, ... the primary goal always should be to protect KHN's and KFF's integrity.
    So, you think Governor Como ordering covid postive people to be housed at senior citzen facilities had no impact on the vulnerable elderly? 

    Cause he did by his authority and last I heard that action is still under investigation.

    As for the color coded mask thing at UVM, you can call em and ask em if you like. Im not sure if the medical staff were all vaccinated by October last year when I was there. Regardless if they were or not , it is not an effective or proper quarantine if the doctors mingle with infected and noninfected patients.
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    Posted on 13:47:26 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Anti-vaxxers, anti maskers, and fiction based conspiracy theorists are brain washed. Opinions and belief are not the same thing as knowledge but that's probably going to go over anyone's head that believes covid is a hoax. The article you posted IS FROM A TABLOID. Spreading misinformation is the worst and most unethical thing you can do during a pandemic especially when that misinformation dissuades people from doing all that they can or a least the bare minimum, to keep the virus from spreading......... But here is THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART OF YOUR DELUSION: "Vaccination certificates, apps and color-coded masks are among the tools proposed to track who has been inoculated for COVID-19." Now I know inoculated is a biggg word, but ill do you the kindness of explaining it. IT MEANS THEY'VE RECIEVED THE VACCINE. There is still a small chance of getting the virus after being vaccinated so yes he medical workers removing their masks were doing he wrong thing. https://khn.org/morning-breakout/how-will-we-know-who-has-been-vaccinated. KFF serves as a nonpartisan source of facts, analysis and journalism for policymakers, ... the primary goal always should be to protect KHN's and KFF's integrity.

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    So, you think Governor Como ordering covid postive people to be housed at senior citzen facilities had no impact on the vulnerable elderly?

    Cause he did by his authority and last I heard that action is still under investigation.

    As for the color coded mask thing at UVM, you can call em and ask em if you like. Im not sure if the medical staff were all vaccinated by October last year when I was there. Regardless if they were or not , it is not an effective or proper quarantine if the doctors mingle with infected and noninfected patients.
    You're going off topic, so all I'm going to say on that is that it was an awful idea on NYs part. What was said, is that nursing homes simply shouldn't refuse patients if they were adequately prepared to take them on. It was not a mandate to take on patients, but many nursing homes were under the impression it was. It's common sense that nursing homes aren't equipped to deal with covid and Cuomo is under fire for it. 

    What are you even claiming at this point? That covid is a hoax or that medical workers are purposely killing patients? Back on topic. Hospitals are being overwhelmed and simply don't have the staff to divide workers like you're suggesting. Some workers are specialized to certain equipment such as ventilators. They are needed throughout the hospital. They wear PPE as I stated clearly before, to protect themselves and therefore others from the virus. I find it disappointing that I need to spell this out (again), but they dispose of PPE and do not roam around in it outside of quarantine areas....
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    Posted on 14:07:29 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    With bleeding inside the head there is a metallic taste at the back of the throat...

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    Posted on 15:43:39 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    Basically my point is that there are three ways to end the pandemic.
    1. Enough people die or build successful immune responses to the exposure (Scientists still aren't sure how effective our immune responses are against re-exposure to covid.)
    2. Enough people are vaccinated and the virus can not longer spread efficiently vaccines introduce dead or weakened pathogen. Your body recognizes the unknown protein spike and builds its own proteins called antibodies that learn how to kill that threat. Since the pathogen is dead/weakened, the antibodies have a much better response and store important information on the pathogen for future fights. The covid vaccine has tested at 94-95 percent effectiveness. The main benefit of vaccine immunity over natural immunity from previous exposure, is that it does not spread the disease therefore it does not create outbreaks.
    3. Don't be a c*nt and take basic measures to slow the spread of the virus.
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    Posted on 16:32:13 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    TheTollTroll [2043237]

    Anti-vaxxers, anti maskers, and fiction based conspiracy theorists are brain washed. Opinions and belief are not the same thing as knowledge but that's probably going to go over anyone's head that believes covid is a hoax. The article you posted IS FROM A TABLOID. Spreading misinformation is the worst and most unethical thing you can do during a pandemic especially when that misinformation dissuades people from doing all that they can or a least the bare minimum, to keep the virus from spreading......... But here is THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART OF YOUR DELUSION: "Vaccination certificates, apps and color-coded masks are among the tools proposed to track who has been inoculated for COVID-19." Now I know inoculated is a biggg word, but ill do you the kindness of explaining it. IT MEANS THEY'VE RECIEVED THE VACCINE. There is still a small chance of getting the virus after being vaccinated so yes he medical workers removing their masks were doing he wrong thing. https://khn.org/morning-breakout/how-will-we-know-who-has-been-vaccinated. KFF serves as a nonpartisan source of facts, analysis and journalism for policymakers, ... the primary goal always should be to protect KHN's and KFF's integrity.

    Styledcurve [2493033]

    So, you think Governor Como ordering covid postive people to be housed at senior citzen facilities had no impact on the vulnerable elderly?

    Cause he did by his authority and last I heard that action is still under investigation.

    As for the color coded mask thing at UVM, you can call em and ask em if you like. Im not sure if the medical staff were all vaccinated by October last year when I was there. Regardless if they were or not , it is not an effective or proper quarantine if the doctors mingle with infected and noninfected patients.

    TheTollTroll [2043237]

    You're going off topic, so all I'm going to say on that is that it was an awful idea on NYs part. What was said, is that nursing homes simply shouldn't refuse patients if they were adequately prepared to take them on. It was not a mandate to take on patients, but many nursing homes were under the impression it was. It's common sense that nursing homes aren't equipped to deal with covid and Cuomo is under fire for it.

    What are you even claiming at this point? That covid is a hoax or that medical workers are purposely killing patients? Back on topic. Hospitals are being overwhelmed and simply don't have the staff to divide workers like you're suggesting. Some workers are specialized to certain equipment such as ventilators. They are needed throughout the hospital. They wear PPE as I stated clearly before, to protect themselves and therefore others from the virus. I find it disappointing that I need to spell this out (again), but they dispose of PPE and do not roam around in it outside of quarantine areas....
    Off topic was I ? My apologies. I thought I was addressing your concerns about the media source I used  regarding the medical malfeasance  of the state. 

    Like when New York told paramedics to NOT preform CPR

    Thank goodness the majority of paramedics rejected that.

    So, you also asked me about my claim? Hoax or medical malice? Youre looking for a blackor white answer from me I suspect but truth be told, truth be complicated.

    Like the overwhelmed hospitals lie. No hospital in the USA or Canada has turned away any patients that I know of. Regardless of the fear hype the media spouts. I should know,at least on a local level. I have to goto the hospital on a regular basis for my MS treatment. Whats more, when hospitals are near or at capacity , they dont take singing and dancing tik tok breaks. Work comes before fun.


    And

    When you say, "some 'workers' are specialized to certain equipment such as ventilators" ... doctors would be a better word than workers. You ever seen a person intubated? Do you have any idea what the process is or the dangers associated with intubation? I ask because I know all about it. The hospitals here and in Vermont never lacked for ventilators despite what media sensationalized.

    Lastly you insist that doctors do not roam in and out of quarantine zones. How can you be so certain?

    When was the last time you spent any significant amount of time at a hospital? Cause I have to spend more time then id like in and out of hospitals these days and I assure you 100% they darn sure do go in and out of quarantine areas with inadequate sanitary measures. Ive seen it with my own eyes.

    Thank goodness the majority of the pandemic is asymptomatic I guess.
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    Posted on 16:52:51 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    You took entirely everything I said out of context. I don't know why I allow myself to correct everything you say. But here goes anyways. First, overwhelmed does not mean turning away patients. This is really a no brainer. It means having so many patients,  that they become fatigued and quality care suffers. Secondly, I said that they take measures such as wearing and disposing of PPE. Ffs did you even read what I said or are you just in denial autopilot. Thirdly, sorry I thought you were smart enough to figure I meant doctors. I did not see the need to specify that janitors were not operating ventilators.
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    Posted on 17:34:34 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    You took entirely everything I said out of context. I don't know why I allow myself to correct everything you say. But here goes anyways. First, overwhelmed does not mean turning away patients. This is really a no brainer. It means having so many patients, that they become fatigued and quality care suffers. Secondly, I said that they take measures such as wearing and disposing of PPE. Ffs did you even read what I said or are you just in denial autopilot. Thirdly, sorry I thought you were smart enough to figure I meant doctors. I did not see the need to specify that janitors were not operating ventilators.
    Hmmm , I thought I maintained the context of our words thoughly...
    My bad but Im trying my best here in spite of not seeing where I may of taken liberty with your context.

    Overwhelmed, in terms of a hospital being overwhelmed, means more than fatigue and quality of care. Overwelmed means unable to take anymore. Because they have too many. Because they are over-welmed.

    As for disposing of PPE? Nah man. The N-95 stays on for the whole shift underneath the second mask. Hair left down. Same scrubs in and out. No signs of any shoe booties anywhere, No body sporting any kind of serious environmental gear past safety googles and 2 masks. I dont have to speculate about what I think should be done. I go there. I wittness this with my own eyes. Their is no point in correcting my account just because you know darn well what Im sharing is an account of sloppy , ineffective , half ass quarantines procedure . If you find this concerning dont look at me take it up with UVMC.

    The clarification of "doctor" over 'worker' is befitting their station in my opinion. Their is no such thing as an intubation technician. The tube is administered by pulmonary or ER , circumstances depending. I didnt think you meant Janitor but I had hoped you wernt refferencing nurse practitioners or any other postion short of an M.D.

    BTW

    You didnt answer my question regarding the amount of time youve spent in hospitals of late or your familairarity with the intubation process.
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    Posted on 22:06:26 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    >Like when New York told paramedics to NOT preform CPR
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    >Thank goodness the majority of paramedics rejected that.

    this alone should make it clear how difficult the situation has been, but no the first thing you think is "they want us dead". anyone who rejected that and got sick made things worse. also reading the article it says there were rules about that, it wasn't exactly that "New York told paramedics to NOT perfor CPR". i understand that your choice of words make things sound more the way you want it, but we are talking about serious stuff here.


    >You didnt answer my question regarding the amount of time youve spent in hospitals of late or your familairarity with the intubation process.

    i would like to know what's your knowledge about this, because if you aren't a doctor, nurse or whatever your opinion and ideas count as much as those of any random person passing by who thinks they know better because they have seen stuff.
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    Posted on 23:29:50 - 23/05/21 (5 months ago)
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    >Like when New York told paramedics to NOT preform CPR
    >
    >Thank goodness the majority of paramedics rejected that.

    this alone should make it clear how difficult the situation has been, but no the first thing you think is "they want us dead". anyone who rejected that and got sick made things worse. also reading the article it says there were rules about that, it wasn't exactly that "New York told paramedics to NOT perfor CPR". i understand that your choice of words make things sound more the way you want it, but we are talking about serious stuff here.


    >You didnt answer my question regarding the amount of time youve spent in hospitals of late or your familairarity with the intubation process.

    i would like to know what's your knowledge about this, because if you aren't a doctor, nurse or whatever your opinion and ideas count as much as those of any random person passing by who thinks they know better because they have seen stuff.
    Mmm poor wording on my part combined with poor citation thats on me.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/quebec-doctors-told-not-to-perform-cpr

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    Nov 26, 2020 · Quebec paramedics told not to perform CPR for months due to COVID-19. Accord to Dupont, "[we would] go see the people in cardiac arrest, we [would] just start the protocol, and when we see the
    ....................................


    Now I coulda sworn NY was running the same thing but I woulda been slightly off so thanks for the correction

    Anyways,
    In your choices of doctor, nurse, or whatever, Id be a whatever.

    And im not sharing opinions or ideas , at least I aint trying too... if you ask me what my feelings are well then we are talking about feelings.

    If I tell you about my time in the hospital and what I observed first hand , that isnt a feeling or an opinion, thats my own, eye wittness testimony.



    Anyways ,

    People keeping asking me stuff but they dont wanna answer my questions,.

    How about you hotshot?

    HAKUMEN NO MONO!!!

    Have you spent any significant time in hospitals over the last year?

    Also, are you familiar with the procedure of Intubation? What it is , why its done , risks involved, steps taken before during and after , do you know much about it?
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    Anarchia [2632824]

    >Like when New York told paramedics to NOT preform CPR
    >
    >Thank goodness the majority of paramedics rejected that.

    this alone should make it clear how difficult the situation has been, but no the first thing you think is "they want us dead". anyone who rejected that and got sick made things worse. also reading the article it says there were rules about that, it wasn't exactly that "New York told paramedics to NOT perfor CPR". i understand that your choice of words make things sound more the way you want it, but we are talking about serious stuff here.


    >You didnt answer my question regarding the amount of time youve spent in hospitals of late or your familairarity with the intubation process.

    i would like to know what's your knowledge about this, because if you aren't a doctor, nurse or whatever your opinion and ideas count as much as those of any random person passing by who thinks they know better because they have seen stuff.

    Styledcurve [2493033]

    Mmm poor wording on my part combined with poor citation thats on me.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/quebec-doctors-told-not-to-perform-cpr

    (Invalid img)

    Nov 26, 2020 · Quebec paramedics told not to perform CPR for months due to COVID-19. Accord to Dupont, "[we would] go see the people in cardiac arrest, we [would] just start the protocol, and when we see the
    ....................................


    Now I coulda sworn NY was running the same thing but I woulda been slightly off so thanks for the correction

    Anyways,
    In your choices of doctor, nurse, or whatever, Id be a whatever.

    And im not sharing opinions or ideas , at least I aint trying too... if you ask me what my feelings are well then we are talking about feelings.

    If I tell you about my time in the hospital and what I observed first hand , that isnt a feeling or an opinion, thats my own, eye wittness testimony.



    Anyways ,

    People keeping asking me stuff but they dont wanna answer my questions,.

    How about you hotshot?

    HAKUMEN NO MONO!!!

    Have you spent any significant time in hospitals over the last year?

    Also, are you familiar with the procedure of Intubation? What it is , why its done , risks involved, steps taken before during and after , do you know much about it?
    I find so much problematic with your "testimony."  

    First, let me say that having MS is horribly tragic! I honestly hope that anyone suffering from MS will get it managed with medication and continue to live life in as normal a manner as possible. I have two cousins who have MS and thankfully, they both have been able to function normally (most of the time) with traditional treatment. They are both in their mid-fifties so I do worry about their future as the disease progresses. That said, neither of them, even with years of being diagnosed, have had to be admitted to the hospital all that often over the years. One had to stop working as an RN after several years because his vision was impacted by the disease. They both have some chronic but mild symptoms but otherwise lead fairly typical lives.

    Your 'testimony" has been that you have had to be hospitalized often this year. That is both surprising and concerning. It tells me that traditional medication protocols are not working on you. So much so that you have had MS flare-ups beyond the norm and must be hospitalized. This is scary and doesn't really bode well for you. I'm sorry. I hope they figure out what is actually wrong with you and find medication that will get it under control.

    Even with my limited experience and knowledge, I still probably know more about MS than many people. I do not claim to know more about the disease than you, nor to be an expert. However, it does allow me to at least make conclusions and challenges to what you claim based on what I know. I find things in your so-called "testimony" that just don't ring true.

    So let's talk about the more common thing first. Most MS flare-ups are handled by reaching out to a primary care physician and are handled in-office with no hospitalization at all. This is the typical way to treat the disease. I do understand that when typical ways do not work, more aggressive treatments must happen, and hospitalization is required. I'll talk more about why hospitalization isn't the usual course of action in a moment...

    Let's continue with the sort of treatment usually done when an MS patient is hospitalized. It usually includes being hooked up to an apheresis machine. This means the person hospitalized isn't going to be doing any "observing of the comings and goings of different parts of a hospital." As if hospitals aren't currently on lockdown with all patients all but sheltering in place in their hospital rooms. With current measures in place, the majority of patients are going to be stuck in a room with a limited view out their hospital room door. Add to that, MS patients most likely will be attached to a machine that scrubs their plasma. there will be no moving about if that is the case. They are tethered. I'm sure there might be other reasons a person with MS is hospitalized, and that might leave them more mobile but still stuck in their room. So just in case, that's the deal with why you had a better view than most MS patients likely would, let's go on to the other issue I have. Particularly the reason hospitalizing MS patients would be avoided.

    MS is an autoimmune disease. It means that the patient's immune system is recognizing a part of his or her body as something that must be attacked with antibodies. The antibodies destroy healthy tissue, specifically the central nervous system. MS is treated by giving the patient medication that suppresses their immune system to stop the attack! This treatment is effective on MS, but leaves the patient immunosuppressed. Not only are infectious diseases more likely to be transmitted to someone immunosuppressed, once the disease grabs hold, the patient has less ability to fight off the infection! To combat this, the choice could be made to stop the medication that's suppressing the MS which might cause a flare-up! So since hospitals are full of germs, unless it is imperative, patients with MS aren't going to be hospitalized if it's avoidable.

    This also means there is no chance at all that someone with MS, but not infected with COVID, would be put anywhere near the COVID ward or any other quarantined part of the hospital. No hospital is going to leave itself open to medical malpractice suits. No doctor would leave himself open to a malpractice suit by using a hospital that would! It's just not going to happen!


    Yet... we come to your "testimony." Allegedly, you have been hospitalized often this year, and every time you have observed people you "somehow know" are treating COVID patients not use proper PPE, traipse around the section of the hospital where you are being treated even though you again, "somehow know" they have not decontaminated themselves first.

    BULL! f**kING! SHIT! You are lying about something in your testimony!

    In a way, I hope you are mentally sick enough to lie about all of it! I'd rather you be some sort of sick f**k who thinks proving his point by faking some awful disease makes sense to you. Because that means you aren't going to die a horrible death from MS! However, if you are not lying about the MS part, you are most certainly lying about what you think you know and using your awful disease to somehow make you seem like you have some authority over what you claim. Either you know you are lying outright, or you are just stupid enough to think you observed what you certainly did not!


    The sad thing is your lies, where ever they start, end up being DEADLY.!! COVID has caused a pandemic! PANDEMIC! It means that it spans the entire f**king globe!! It is claiming the lives of millions and millions of people. Sadly, sick f**ks like you are spewing ignorance and lies and causing millions to ignore protocols that could save them! I watched my sister take her last breaths because of the ravages of COVID. She was only 56! She had a long and happy life to live and it was cut short because of ignorant assholes spreading lies and disinformation that she chose to accept as truth! She gambled with her life because of a political belief and LOST! Her story is not unusual. There are MILLIONS who have had the same fate!

    Despite your complete and utter disgusting abuse of your possible disease to promote f**king lies, I wish you life without pain and disease. If you honestly have MS then I wish you health and mobility for as long as possible. I also wish you would stop lying and spreading falsehoods that will lead to an excruciatingly terrible f**king death to the unlucky who don't easily overcome COVID!

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    I find so much problematic with your "testimony."

    First, let me say that having MS is horribly tragic! I honestly hope that anyone suffering from MS will get it managed with medication and continue to live life in as normal a manner as possible. I have two cousins who have MS and thankfully, they both have been able to function normally (most of the time) with traditional treatment. They are both in their mid-fifties so I do worry about their future as the disease progresses. That said, neither of them, even with years of being diagnosed, have had to be admitted to the hospital all that often over the years. One had to stop working as an RN after several years because his vision was impacted by the disease. They both have some chronic but mild symptoms but otherwise lead fairly typical lives.

    Your 'testimony" has been that you have had to be hospitalized often this year. That is both surprising and concerning. It tells me that traditional medication protocols are not working on you. So much so that you have had MS flare-ups beyond the norm and must be hospitalized. This is scary and doesn't really bode well for you. I'm sorry. I hope they figure out what is actually wrong with you and find medication that will get it under control.

    Even with my limited experience and knowledge, I still probably know more about MS than many people. I do not claim to know more about the disease than you, nor to be an expert. However, it does allow me to at least make conclusions and challenges to what you claim based on what I know. I find things in your so-called "testimony" that just don't ring true.

    So let's talk about the more common thing first. Most MS flare-ups are handled by reaching out to a primary care physician and are handled in-office with no hospitalization at all. This is the typical way to treat the disease. I do understand that when typical ways do not work, more aggressive treatments must happen, and hospitalization is required. I'll talk more about why hospitalization isn't the usual course of action in a moment...

    Let's continue with the sort of treatment usually done when an MS patient is hospitalized. It usually includes being hooked up to an apheresis machine. This means the person hospitalized isn't going to be doing any "observing of the comings and goings of different parts of a hospital." As if hospitals aren't currently on lockdown with all patients all but sheltering in place in their hospital rooms. With current measures in place, the majority of patients are going to be stuck in a room with a limited view out their hospital room door. Add to that, MS patients most likely will be attached to a machine that scrubs their plasma. there will be no moving about if that is the case. They are tethered. I'm sure there might be other reasons a person with MS is hospitalized, and that might leave them more mobile but still stuck in their room. So just in case, that's the deal with why you had a better view than most MS patients likely would, let's go on to the other issue I have. Particularly the reason hospitalizing MS patients would be avoided.

    MS is an autoimmune disease. It means that the patient's immune system is recognizing a part of his or her body as something that must be attacked with antibodies. The antibodies destroy healthy tissue, specifically the central nervous system. MS is treated by giving the patient medication that suppresses their immune system to stop the attack! This treatment is effective on MS, but leaves the patient immunosuppressed. Not only are infectious diseases more likely to be transmitted to someone immunosuppressed, once the disease grabs hold, the patient has less ability to fight off the infection! To combat this, the choice could be made to stop the medication that's suppressing the MS which might cause a flare-up! So since hospitals are full of germs, unless it is imperative, patients with MS aren't going to be hospitalized if it's avoidable.

    This also means there is no chance at all that someone with MS, but not infected with COVID, would be put anywhere near the COVID ward or any other quarantined part of the hospital. No hospital is going to leave itself open to medical malpractice suits. No doctor would leave himself open to a malpractice suit by using a hospital that would! It's just not going to happen!


    Yet... we come to your "testimony." Allegedly, you have been hospitalized often this year, and every time you have observed people you "somehow know" are treating COVID patients not use proper PPE, traipse around the section of the hospital where you are being treated even though you again, "somehow know" they have not decontaminated themselves first.

    BULL! f**kING! SHIT! You are lying about something in your testimony!

    In a way, I hope you are mentally sick enough to lie about all of it! I'd rather you be some sort of sick f**k who thinks proving his point by faking some awful disease makes sense to you. Because that means you aren't going to die a horrible death from MS! However, if you are not lying about the MS part, you are most certainly lying about what you think you know and using your awful disease to somehow make you seem like you have some authority over what you claim. Either you know you are lying outright, or you are just stupid enough to think you observed what you certainly did not!


    The sad thing is your lies, where ever they start, end up being DEADLY.!! COVID has caused a pandemic! PANDEMIC! It means that it spans the entire f**king globe!! It is claiming the lives of millions and millions of people. Sadly, sick f**ks like you are spewing ignorance and lies and causing millions to ignore protocols that could save them! I watched my sister take her last breaths because of the ravages of COVID. She was only 56! She had a long and happy life to live and it was cut short because of ignorant assholes spreading lies and disinformation that she chose to accept as truth! She gambled with her life because of a political belief and LOST! Her story is not unusual. There are MILLIONS who have had the same fate!

    Despite your complete and utter disgusting abuse of your possible disease to promote f**king lies, I wish you life without pain and disease. If you honestly have MS then I wish you health and mobility for as long as possible. I also wish you would stop lying and spreading falsehoods that will lead to an excruciatingly terrible f**king death to the unlucky who don't easily overcome COVID!
    Gave ya the thumbs down cause I aint lying about shit.

    Me getting shit wrong? Sure that happens. Me lying about having MS? Get freaking real!

    As to how the heck I knew which ones were doing what, the hospital (cvph) had flyers posted on their walls describing the differnt color masks people would be seeing the medical personel using and what each different one meant.

    Purple meant that they were actively working with covid patients.

    Also, when I got diagnosed last year they didnt start me on infussions that very second. My thrid infussion is in augest, not that its any bussiness of yours.

    And every single thing ive observed in the hospitals is truth. You got an issue with it , then take it up with cvph.

    Edit for clarity , cvph = uvmc its the same outit from Frankln county ny to Vermont.

    Further , Janet, while you sit on your judgemental high horse about who's a disgusting liar and who aint I hope you're taking a long look in the mirror.

    My condolences on your sisters passing but at least you got to be there at the end. The privliage of visitation was denied to most as I understand things... you know, because of how contagious it's supposed to be. I know nobody on my floor was allowed visitors.
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