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    Thread created on 19:57:33 - 12/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    Last replied 09:47:26 - 03/08/20 (1 year ago)
    I just found these two videos about 5G:

    Retired President Of Microsoft Canada, Frank Clegg 5G Wireless IS NOT SAFE

    ΝYC-ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients.

    You may have noticed and are aware that I'm kind of a conspiracy nut, but what do you think about the claims these people make?


    Edit 13/04/2020:
    Another article to take a look at: https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/02/5g-60-ghz-oxygen-absorption-you-and-coronavirus/
    Edit 20/06/2020:
    An electrical engineer's take on 5G: https://scottiestech.info/2020/06/02/5g-qna-why-lions-and-chickens-are-different/


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    Posted on 19:35:13 - 16/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    My thoughts....its an upgrade speed and you will find videos proving to disproving anything on the internet,  like rule 34 is to porn same thing exists for reality being considered a conspiracy. No one said anything about 386,486 then 586 upgraded in computers would lead to AI revolution, we were sorta smarter in the 90s.

    You run a bunch of real B roll footage of stuff expertly matched together with whatever the narrative is saying. Like the one about Neil Armstrong saying we never went to the moon.

    Though I do imagine it could Interfere with the random things that are already affected by our current 4g or less. Potentially bees or whatever?
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    Posted on 20:40:18 - 16/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    My thoughts....its an upgrade speed and you will find videos proving to disproving anything on the internet, like rule 34 is to porn same thing exists for reality being considered a conspiracy. No one said anything about 386,486 then 586 upgraded in computers would lead to AI revolution, we were sorta smarter in the 90s.

    You run a bunch of real B roll footage of stuff expertly matched together with whatever the narrative is saying. Like the one about Neil Armstrong saying we never went to the moon.

    Though I do imagine it could Interfere with the random things that are already affected by our current 4g or less. Potentially bees or whatever?
    I absolute agree that you can find almost everything being "proven" on the internet, but there's a lot of it, that's IMO worth studying. Besides, there have been multiple books written about this subject and studies that support what I'm saying. I didn't really get the CPU upgrade analogy. Advancements in technology and processing power (not only new CPU architectures) certainly have helped to develop more complex AI solutions, just look at face recognition.

    The effect of EM frequencies on human bodies has long since been researched, but you have to distinguish between industry-funded and independent studies. What also makes it difficult sometimes, is that some people are more sensitive to EMF than others. And I'd say, that if you even have people in the industry calling to re-evaluate the usage of wireless technology, then there's a reason to be concerned.

    I have collected more sources about the 5G/wireless issue below in case you are interested. If you know anything that specifically disproves them, I'd be willing to take a look.

    Arthur Firstenberg, author of the book "The Invisible Rainbow – A History of Electricity and Life", says:
    "At present, smartphones emit a maximum of about two watts, and usually operate at a power of less than a watt. That will still be true of 5G phones, however inside a 5G phone there may be 8 tiny arrays of 16 tiny antennas each,[3] all working together to track the nearest cell tower and aim a narrowly focused beam at it. The FCC has recently adopted rules[4] allowing the effective power of those beams to be as much as 20 watts. Now if a handheld smartphone sent a 20-watt beam through your body, it would far exceed the exposure limit set by the FCC.
    [...]
    The situation with cell towers is, if anything, worse. So far the FCC has approved bands of frequencies around 24 GHz, 28 GHz, 38 GHz, 39 GHz, and 48 GHz for use in 5G stations, and is proposing to add 32 GHz, 42 GHz, 50 GHz, 71-76 GHz, 81-86 GHz, and above 95 GHz to the soup.[8] These have tiny wavelengths and require tiny antennas. At 50 GHz, an array of 1,024 antennas will measure only 4 inches square.[9] And the maximum radiated power per array will probably not be that large—tens or hundreds of watts. But just as with PAVE PAWS, arrays containing such large numbers of antennas will be able to channel the energy into highly focused beams, and the effective radiated power will be enormous. The rules adopted by the FCC allow a 5G base station operating in the millimeter range to emit an effective radiated power of up to 30,000 watts per 100 MHz of spectrum.[10] And when you consider that some of the frequency bands the FCC is making available will allow telecom companies to buy up to 3 GHz of contiguous spectrum at auction, they will legally be allowed to emit an effective radiated power of up to 900,000 watts if they own that much spectrum. The base stations emitting power like that will be located on the sidewalk. They will be small rectangular structures mounted on top of utility poles.
    [...]
    Another important fact about radiation from phased array antennas is this: it penetrates much deeper into the human body and the assumptions that the FCC’s exposure limits are based on do not apply. This was brought to everyone’s attention by Dr. Richard Albanese of Brooks Air Force Base in connection with PAVE PAWS and was reported on in Microwave News in 2002.[12] When an ordinary electromagnetic field enters the body, it causes charges to move and currents to flow. But when extremely short electromagnetic pulses enter the body, something else happens: the moving charges themselves become little antennas that re-radiate the electromagnetic field and send it deeper into the body. These re-radiated waves are called Brillouin precursors.[13] They become significant when either the power or the phase of the waves changes rapidly enough.[14] 5G will probably satisfy both requirements. This means that the reassurance we are being given—that these millimeter waves are too short to penetrate far into the body—is not true."


    link: https://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/5g-from-blankets-to-bullets/

    Other sources:
    1. Report of final results regarding brain and heart tumors in Sprague-Dawley rats exposed from prenatal life until natural death to mobile phone radiofrequency field representative of a 1.8?GHz GSM base station environmental emission
    2. International Appeal: Scientists call for protection from non-ionizing electromagnetic field exposure
    3. Doctors call for delaying deployment of 5G due to health risks | NTD
    4. Is 5G Safe? | Sydney's Smart Cell Lamp Posts - Radiation EXPOSED ??
    5. Listen: Explosive talk on the 5G-Coronavirus connection, by alleged former senior Vodafone executive
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    Posted on 22:26:45 - 19/04/20 (1 year ago)
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    Burn the masts, like UK, NL and BE are now doing! Stop 5G before it is too late!!!!

    /alu foil eco greeny mental person.

    Seriously, there are extreme left groups now burning mobile cell towers due to a supposed link between COVID-19 and 5G in UK, NL and BE.
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    Posted on 04:24:11 - 07/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    I don't want to derail the thread but I had the same thoughts about trains last night and I did some research.

    Apparently they cause madness, hysteria and cow abortions. Thoughts?


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    Posted on 07:15:59 - 07/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    kok [2316623]

    I don't want to derail the thread but I had the same thoughts about trains last night and I did some research.

    Apparently they cause madness, hysteria and cow abortions. Thoughts?


    Pun intended I guess? This could probably be associated with vibrations (frequency) caused by a moving train. Some studies show that "Train exposure" seems to mostly lead to what you'd expect: Higher heart rate. Interestingly enough, this study notes that there is a tendency for men to experience stronger heart rate acceleration than women.

    In any case, seeing that it claims to have affected older people more so than the young seems to show that at least some people adapt to such environmental factors, yet any such small factors are probably still be one of the contributing causes of anxiety or stress these days. Similarly, young people seem to adapt better to the presence of wireless technology, which might of course be due to better resistance at a young age, but then again, cellphone radiation is claimed to be more harmful to children than adults.

    What I've found since then is that most of the mayor disease outbreaks in the last 100 years have occurred after the introduction of some new wireless technology (radio, radar, GPS, wifi, etc...) as Dr Thomas Cowan notes. Hard to say whether that's the definitive cause, but the correlation is quite interesting.
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    Posted on 19:44:53 - 07/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    There has always been a worry mobile phone signals can cause issues ie cancer since 3g.

    They could be causing other harm as well. Afterall we cant see it, its invisible.

    Same with other stuff as well. Ie its not a good idea to live under electric pilons. Something else we cant see the effects of ...

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    Posted on 12:42:19 - 17/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    Burn the masts, like UK, NL and BE are now doing! Stop 5G before it is too late!!!!

    /alu foil eco greeny mental person.

    Seriously, there are extreme left groups now burning mobile cell towers due to a supposed link between COVID-19 and 5G in UK, NL and BE.
    There no clear evidence that 5G caused covid 19 
    Its just a conspiracy
    5G is sam as 4G
    Just have smaller wavelength caused to some more radiation but that wavelength not small enough to damage you organ or body

    Stop believing something without clear evidence that stupid
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    Posted on 14:43:13 - 17/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...
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    Posted on 19:21:04 - 20/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...
    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game 

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

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    Posted on 21:38:37 - 20/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.
    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations? 

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.
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    Posted on 22:25:15 - 20/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.
    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.
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    Posted on 22:52:07 - 20/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.
    I don't think paranoia is limited to certain professions.

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    Posted on 15:48:25 - 21/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.
    Mythbusters busted it, cell phones do not cause explosions in gas stations.
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    Posted on 17:01:41 - 21/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    oldskoolsuzuki [70196]

    Mythbusters busted it, cell phones do not cause explosions in gas stations.
    I know. 

    Your watch is more likely to cause an explosion.

    Like I said, they put in that warning 'just in case'.

    Plenty of other incidents like this... Hanging baskets being removed because they might fall on someone (never have), EU banning straight bananas (nope - total BS) and so...

    Chinese whisper stories soon become facts to those who have too much time on there hands to be both scared and not diligent enough to check out the evidence (or lacks of).
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    Posted on 07:09:13 - 22/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.
    Yea I followed those sources. And then clicked on the studies the youtuber was referring to.  

    In all study papers, they have to list known flaws.

    In this one,:

    emphasizing the point that these are not genuine Wi-Fi studies, because of 1 and 2 here.

    They did not use wifi frequencies using wifi technology. They did not test emf from a wifi device found available to consumers. Not only in this test, in ANY of the studies referenced in the main studies.

    Again, as 2020, there is not one single study that confirms negative health effects due to consumer grade wifi or 5g.
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    Posted on 08:13:36 - 22/06/20 (1 year ago)
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yea I followed those sources. And then clicked on the studies the youtuber was referring to.

    In all study papers, they have to list known flaws.

    In this one,:

    emphasizing the point that these are not genuine Wi-Fi studies, because of 1 and 2 here.

    They did not use wifi frequencies using wifi technology. They did not test emf from a wifi device found available to consumers. Not only in this test, in ANY of the studies referenced in the main studies.

    Again, as 2020, there is not one single study that confirms negative health effects due to consumer grade wifi or 5g.
    Regarding https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355,

    what you are quoting was claimed about the opposing studies - the ones which say that there are no health effects (7 studies referenced by Foster and Moulder) - so right now it only seems to prove my point.
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    manic [1554958]

    It's the first time I've come into 'science'...

    And read this bollocks, I think it will be my last...

    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yea I followed those sources. And then clicked on the studies the youtuber was referring to.

    In all study papers, they have to list known flaws.

    In this one,:

    emphasizing the point that these are not genuine Wi-Fi studies, because of 1 and 2 here.

    They did not use wifi frequencies using wifi technology. They did not test emf from a wifi device found available to consumers. Not only in this test, in ANY of the studies referenced in the main studies.

    Again, as 2020, there is not one single study that confirms negative health effects due to consumer grade wifi or 5g.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    Regarding https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355,

    what you are quoting was claimed about the opposing studies - the ones which say that there are no health effects (7 studies referenced by Foster and Moulder) - so right now it only seems to prove my point.
    No 

    You literally just linked a differny version of what that youtuber linked. Which is bullshit.

    We know EMF is harmful. That's stupid to say it's not. What isnt harmful is EMF at the power and configuration we do.

    The research you linked, which state the flaws directly in the paper...again...state:

    This is non commercial WIFI emitters producing EMF waves non conducive to what the public experiences.

    Our tests use an EMF antennae array that is very purposeful for the tests. Its is not the technology or power that is used in cellphones, radios, and other devices.

    You keep trying, but remember without context and validity, science can be just as bad mumbo jumbo.

    I'll list out the research that has proven cellphone technology to be harmful per 3 different scholar paper query tools:

    0 results.
    0 results.
    0 results.

    Per the WHO:
    the weight of scientific evidence has not linked exposure to radio frequency energy from cell phone use with any health problems
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    There is 'bollocks' all over the forums in this game

    The thing is. It is worth discussing. Stuff we cant see is and can affect us.

    Mobile phone signals, electricity pylons, nuclear power plants, air pollution. etc etc

    We cant see it, but they do affect us. some of them could be and probably are very harmful.

    I think phone signals are one of those things which needs a lot more research.

    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yea I followed those sources. And then clicked on the studies the youtuber was referring to.

    In all study papers, they have to list known flaws.

    In this one,:

    emphasizing the point that these are not genuine Wi-Fi studies, because of 1 and 2 here.

    They did not use wifi frequencies using wifi technology. They did not test emf from a wifi device found available to consumers. Not only in this test, in ANY of the studies referenced in the main studies.

    Again, as 2020, there is not one single study that confirms negative health effects due to consumer grade wifi or 5g.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    Regarding https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355,

    what you are quoting was claimed about the opposing studies - the ones which say that there are no health effects (7 studies referenced by Foster and Moulder) - so right now it only seems to prove my point.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    No

    You literally just linked a differny version of what that youtuber linked. Which is bullshit.

    We know EMF is harmful. That's stupid to say it's not. What isnt harmful is EMF at the power and configuration we do.

    The research you linked, which state the flaws directly in the paper...again...state:

    This is non commercial WIFI emitters producing EMF waves non conducive to what the public experiences.

    Our tests use an EMF antennae array that is very purposeful for the tests. Its is not the technology or power that is used in cellphones, radios, and other devices.

    You keep trying, but remember without context and validity, science can be just as bad mumbo jumbo.

    I'll list out the research that has proven cellphone technology to be harmful per 3 different scholar paper query tools:

    0 results.
    0 results.
    0 results.

    Per the WHO:
    the weight of scientific evidence has not linked exposure to radio frequency energy from cell phone use with any health problems
    I think I linked the exact same study that was mentioned below the video. The flaws noted there were claimed about another study.

    So I felt you took things out of context, but If I have missed something, please point it out clearly, because I didn't find any of those flaws in the study we discussed.

    It's strange how you weren't able to find any other studies, although the given one (the one I posted before) links to many...
    Regarding the WHO, we know (not least due to the covid topic), that it's an unreliable source of information.
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    manic [1554958]

    Did you know the reason why mobile phones aren't used in petrol stations?

    Because someone queried that they 'may' cause an explosion do they decided to put warnings in manuals and the rest is history.

    No ACTUAL experiments had been undertaken. They just 'assumed'.

    This is a perfect example of how something which we now know to be bollocks becomes a 'truth' simply because it's repeated.

    And it's why, without proper science I say this is mast bullshit is bollocks before it becomes a truth.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    What do you consider to be 'actual' experiments? Would be interesting to know what's your opinion on the sources I have posted over the course of this thread.

    Recently I found an electrical engineer who's also been talking about the wireless technology threat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBCKB__g-U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qzqOhDc_0

    You might want to check some of the studies he links as well.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yea I followed those sources. And then clicked on the studies the youtuber was referring to.

    In all study papers, they have to list known flaws.

    In this one,:

    emphasizing the point that these are not genuine Wi-Fi studies, because of 1 and 2 here.

    They did not use wifi frequencies using wifi technology. They did not test emf from a wifi device found available to consumers. Not only in this test, in ANY of the studies referenced in the main studies.

    Again, as 2020, there is not one single study that confirms negative health effects due to consumer grade wifi or 5g.

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    Regarding https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355,

    what you are quoting was claimed about the opposing studies - the ones which say that there are no health effects (7 studies referenced by Foster and Moulder) - so right now it only seems to prove my point.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    No

    You literally just linked a differny version of what that youtuber linked. Which is bullshit.

    We know EMF is harmful. That's stupid to say it's not. What isnt harmful is EMF at the power and configuration we do.

    The research you linked, which state the flaws directly in the paper...again...state:

    This is non commercial WIFI emitters producing EMF waves non conducive to what the public experiences.

    Our tests use an EMF antennae array that is very purposeful for the tests. Its is not the technology or power that is used in cellphones, radios, and other devices.

    You keep trying, but remember without context and validity, science can be just as bad mumbo jumbo.

    I'll list out the research that has proven cellphone technology to be harmful per 3 different scholar paper query tools:

    0 results.
    0 results.
    0 results.

    Per the WHO:
    the weight of scientific evidence has not linked exposure to radio frequency energy from cell phone use with any health problems

    Vinnivich [2304578]

    I think I linked the exact same study that was mentioned below the video. The flaws noted there were claimed about another study.

    So I felt you took things out of context, but If I have missed something, please point it out clearly, because I didn't find any of those flaws in the study we discussed.

    It's strange how you weren't able to find any other studies, although the given one (the one I posted before) links to many...
    Regarding the WHO, we know (not least due to the covid topic), that it's an unreliable source of information.
    Only if you dont believe in the scientific method.
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