Kleb [2016895]

No, you're right, we should listen to retards like you when making decisions that may effect all of humanity. That makes perfect sense.

LawOfOne [266775]

If you reread, instead of being ultra mature and hurling insults...we need to use our critical thinking skills, research for our selfs, educate our selfs, use intuition and most importantly stop being a sheeple and take everything an authority figure is true. 

LawOfOne [266775]

I would not rule out giant race of humanoids have been on earth, most people don't blame Jews they blame the zionists and there is no way humans(Us) built the pyramids. First rule of finding the truth is never fully buying in to controversy.

Sepulchrave [2092631]

lol - ok, we've got another poppa-style tinfoil hatter on our hands. As soon as someone says "there is no way humans built the pyramids" you know you're dealing with a disabled person. As I learned long ago, creationists, flat earthers and other whack jobs are not in it for the debate or the exchange. They are in it to spread their low-IQ memes to other low-IQ people. Arguing with them directly achieves negative results, because to people lacking in critical thinking ability the discussion seems to legitimize the notion that their arguments are worth debating. This is a lesson I learned the hard way in uni - by setting up a debate between zoologists and creationists. There was no debate - how could there be when creationists know nothing about science? And the same goes for the flat earthers, etc. - there is no debate, just hostile argument and the further spread of bad memes.

LawOfOne [266775]

I learned long ago discussing anything with closed minded people who, insult people and  always side with the status quo is a waste of time.

Evolution, the idea that cobbled up bones mean that no creation ever happened is from the same people that for many decades rolled out that Cro magnon was separate from Modern Humans because it shoots holes in the evolution theory. Which the inventor of the theory not only shot holes in his own theory but doubted its validity. 

It is my opinion that there is no way that humans built them simply because of distances from raw materials and time it takes and the size of stones, specifically on the inside which are far heavier than ones easily seen from the outside. 

That said I think the truth is some where in the middle. 

I love how when someone thinks differently than you that your first response is anger loaded insults, Did they debate like that in Uni? Is that something you learned there?

MachineGunSteve [184119]

I already said it... nice creative writing. 

Believe whatever you want, but don't cry when all the other kids make fun of you for being a complete meathead.

Dad talk done.

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PopadaPill [900338]

You seem to cry all the time because people dont go with the crap you do.

Why not make someone a thread in here because they dont believe same shite you do...get pissy again 

MachineGunSteve [184119]

I already made you a thread, Popa. You cry all the time about it, and then you accuse me of crying. The irony.

PopadaPill [900338]

Hey now,Why are you listening to them voices in your gut?You loony

 

'Have at it Popa. This is your spot now, so you can post all the Twitter, and Facebook, and other pretty pictures you like to try and force down our throats. You post here, so some of us who choose to can ignore you.'

You couldnt even do that could you steve,You couldnt ignore me if your fat life depended on it.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Going with ones gut is decidedly different than having drug induced flashbacks and displaying signs of schizophrenia, Popa.

Which drugs were you doing again... back in the day?

That is your thread, Popa. I may have posted in it once or twice, but I really do stay out of it. Are you having fun there? I hope so... I really do.

PopadaPill [900338]

I counted 17 posts,Can you even count steve?

I dont think you are all there.Come in number 9 your time is up

Lewri [1762864]

Genuinely not sure if you're trolling.

LawOfOne [266775]

Why would I troll something that is 100% true. People use science as the ultimate authority figure and worship it as if was a God. They program us with bunk cherry picked studies that only fit their narrative of the truth. Like the IPCC, half the people in the world actually believe a study that many brave and  honest scientists call "highly flawed and lacking any scientific method at all. 

Lewri [1762864]

Ok, this is a slightly more reasonable post than the original. It covers an extremely complex topic that involves a report analysing over 6000 other scientific works, as such, what with the extreme workload I currently have, this will be a brief reply.

There may be people who take science as the ultimate authority and "worship" it, but why is that? Well the reason is quite clearly that its because science is purely a method of analysis of reality. What better is there to believe in? Admittedly this leads to problems when the media gets involved and people start assuming that if something has the word science in it then it's true. Take this for example: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=410313446 a study that purposely "p-hacked" to get the results they want. But a study doesn't necessarily need to p-hacked for results as a lot of accepted statistically significant uncertainty ranges are actually quite weak resulting in studies like this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/15/precognition-studies-curse-failed-replications which also shows the problem with lack of publication of replications resulting in a large percent of published work being wrong (expertly covered by Veritasium here: https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q). 

Now all this leads to the problem of some people (who don't understand science) taking random studies and assuming them to be correct ("I fear the man of a single [study]") and this is why we talk about scientific consensus. For example, the scientific consensus on antrhopogenic climate change: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 

So in short of the above, some people misinterpret science. Now what about the whole fitting my narrative thing? Well if anyone tells you that all or most scientists fake or purposely misinterpret data just so that they get money, throw them in a mental institution. A more common problem on the other hand is bias effecting the methods they use to analyse results (please see: https://hbr.org/2015/03/what-to-do-when-people-draw-different-conclusions-from-the-same-data), but having lots of people analysing something drastically reduces bias.

If you want to argue that the IPCC report had methodological flaws, fair enough but please do point out those flaws and breakdown what is actually wrong. Saying there's some "scientists" (how many, what are their qualifications, do they work in relative fields, what's their experience with data and statistical analysis?) who disagree is a bit lacking and for anyone to say that a statistical analysis of over 6000 scientific works isn't scientific is just downright absurd. 

If the media runs amock with something are you truly going to blame the scientists for it?

As for your comparison of old days science to contemporary science, I call bull. Im a physics student so I look at a phenomenon, I figure out how it works, I then figure out what predictions I can make with that model and I go and see if those predictions are right. Another thing that must happen though is looking at a set of data and saying what does this actually mean? 

To me, the most important things about science are the repeatability and the quantification. I think anyone who disagrees is not being scientific and so any dogma around them is just an unfortunate product of them calling themselves scientists.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

You are wasting your time, Mr. Lewri... and your typing. 

No matter how you try to explain it, if the audience lacks the necessary ability to think critically... the battle is lost from the beginning. You would have a better chance of explaining the Higgs boson to a dead cockroach.

LawOfOne [266775]

Totally agree, if someone has made up there mind all you can do is plant seeds. If someone always believes authority versus using their brain you can never change their mind, this is called cognitive dissonance.

LawOfOne [266775]

I would not rule out giant race of humanoids have been on earth, most people don't blame Jews they blame the zionists and there is no way humans(Us) built the pyramids. First rule of finding the truth is never fully buying in to controversy.

Sepulchrave [2092631]

lol - ok, we've got another poppa-style tinfoil hatter on our hands. As soon as someone says "there is no way humans built the pyramids" you know you're dealing with a disabled person. As I learned long ago, creationists, flat earthers and other whack jobs are not in it for the debate or the exchange. They are in it to spread their low-IQ memes to other low-IQ people. Arguing with them directly achieves negative results, because to people lacking in critical thinking ability the discussion seems to legitimize the notion that their arguments are worth debating. This is a lesson I learned the hard way in uni - by setting up a debate between zoologists and creationists. There was no debate - how could there be when creationists know nothing about science? And the same goes for the flat earthers, etc. - there is no debate, just hostile argument and the further spread of bad memes.

LawOfOne [266775]

I would not rule out giant race of humanoids have been on earth, most people don't blame Jews they blame the zionists and there is no way humans(Us) built the pyramids. First rule of finding the truth is never fully buying in to controversy.

Sepulchrave [2092631]

lol - ok, we've got another poppa-style tinfoil hatter on our hands. As soon as someone says "there is no way humans built the pyramids" you know you're dealing with a disabled person. As I learned long ago, creationists, flat earthers and other whack jobs are not in it for the debate or the exchange. They are in it to spread their low-IQ memes to other low-IQ people. Arguing with them directly achieves negative results, because to people lacking in critical thinking ability the discussion seems to legitimize the notion that their arguments are worth debating. This is a lesson I learned the hard way in uni - by setting up a debate between zoologists and creationists. There was no debate - how could there be when creationists know nothing about science? And the same goes for the flat earthers, etc. - there is no debate, just hostile argument and the further spread of bad memes.

Quickdraw [915500]

"Arguing with them directly achieves negative results, because to people lacking in critical thinking ability the discussion seems to legitimize the notion that their arguments are worth debating."

I think this is a good point, and I generally follow it and try not to engage with trolls, but I also want to know why these kinds of people think the things they do so I post on torn forums sometimes. I was wondering if you have any ideas about how to engage with these type of people? For example, the OP is wrong, but he believes what he says and votes based on that belief. So it is really important that scientists can somehow engage with these people to demystify science so that to the layperson it is not simply trusting an authority. 

PopadaPill [900338]

You seem to cry all the time because people dont go with the crap you do.

Why not make someone a thread in here because they dont believe same shite you do...get pissy again 

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MachineGunSteve [184119]

I already made you a thread, Popa. You cry all the time about it, and then you accuse me of crying. The irony.

PopadaPill [900338]

Hey now,Why are you listening to them voices in your gut?You loony

 

'Have at it Popa. This is your spot now, so you can post all the Twitter, and Facebook, and other pretty pictures you like to try and force down our throats. You post here, so some of us who choose to can ignore you.'

You couldnt even do that could you steve,You couldnt ignore me if your fat life depended on it.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Going with ones gut is decidedly different than having drug induced flashbacks and displaying signs of schizophrenia, Popa.

Which drugs were you doing again... back in the day?

That is your thread, Popa. I may have posted in it once or twice, but I really do stay out of it. Are you having fun there? I hope so... I really do.

PopadaPill [900338]

I counted 17 posts,Can you even count steve?

I dont think you are all there.Come in number 9 your time is up

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Wow, you went back and counted my posts. How pathetic of you, but hey... you got me. My bad. I forgot I even posted there after I made the thing. Point for Popa. A sad point, but I'll give you one.

I do see you found a way to spew your pedo and Jewish tripe in this here thread. Well done. You should be proud of yourself for providing all of us Tornites the proof that giant Jewish pedo's from Irish Phoenician stock built the pyramids, and foisted fake science on us all in an effort to... what exactly, Popa? Where does your conspiracy end exactly? Satan's Saturn Cube? What is the end game all knowing Internet Prophet? What does the buzzing tell you is going to happen? Please enlighten us... please?

Bzzzz!

MachineGunSteve [184119]

I already made you a thread, Popa. You cry all the time about it, and then you accuse me of crying. The irony.

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PopadaPill [900338]

Hey now,Why are you listening to them voices in your gut?You loony

 

'Have at it Popa. This is your spot now, so you can post all the Twitter, and Facebook, and other pretty pictures you like to try and force down our throats. You post here, so some of us who choose to can ignore you.'

You couldnt even do that could you steve,You couldnt ignore me if your fat life depended on it.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Going with ones gut is decidedly different than having drug induced flashbacks and displaying signs of schizophrenia, Popa.

Which drugs were you doing again... back in the day?

That is your thread, Popa. I may have posted in it once or twice, but I really do stay out of it. Are you having fun there? I hope so... I really do.

PopadaPill [900338]

I counted 17 posts,Can you even count steve?

I dont think you are all there.Come in number 9 your time is up

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Wow, you went back and counted my posts. How pathetic of you, but hey... you got me. My bad. I forgot I even posted there after I made the thing. Point for Popa. A sad point, but I'll give you one.

I do see you found a way to spew your pedo and Jewish tripe in this here thread. Well done. You should be proud of yourself for providing all of us Tornites the proof that giant Jewish pedo's from Irish Phoenician stock built the pyramids, and foisted fake science on us all in an effort to... what exactly, Popa? Where does your conspiracy end exactly? Satan's Saturn Cube? What is the end game all knowing Internet Prophet? What does the buzzing tell you is going to happen? Please enlighten us... please?

Bzzzz!

PopadaPill [900338]

Oh dear.You have a go at me because i could recall something,i knew you had posted in that thread more than one or two times just because you cant remember what day it is.Which brings me onto you saying I(?) found a way to 'spew pedo and jewish tribe in this thread' when if you look its you who started banging on about that to someone else..You mention Jews  1st i believe.Behold '---

MachineGunSteve [184119] ''Wow, someone dumb enough to believe that what he or she calls evidence is anything but...

You believe in a race of giants who once lived on earth too, and that the Jews are responsible for everything bad that ever happened, and that Irish people built the Pyramids?

If so, you and Popa should get along nicely. You guys could team up with Candymonster, and tell stories.''

Then the other guy started banging on about synagogues.

End game?May be madness steve,its hard to diagnose you over the internet 8¬D

PopadaPill [900338]

Hey now,Why are you listening to them voices in your gut?You loony

 

'Have at it Popa. This is your spot now, so you can post all the Twitter, and Facebook, and other pretty pictures you like to try and force down our throats. You post here, so some of us who choose to can ignore you.'

You couldnt even do that could you steve,You couldnt ignore me if your fat life depended on it.

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MachineGunSteve [184119]

Going with ones gut is decidedly different than having drug induced flashbacks and displaying signs of schizophrenia, Popa.

Which drugs were you doing again... back in the day?

That is your thread, Popa. I may have posted in it once or twice, but I really do stay out of it. Are you having fun there? I hope so... I really do.

PopadaPill [900338]

I counted 17 posts,Can you even count steve?

I dont think you are all there.Come in number 9 your time is up

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Wow, you went back and counted my posts. How pathetic of you, but hey... you got me. My bad. I forgot I even posted there after I made the thing. Point for Popa. A sad point, but I'll give you one.

I do see you found a way to spew your pedo and Jewish tripe in this here thread. Well done. You should be proud of yourself for providing all of us Tornites the proof that giant Jewish pedo's from Irish Phoenician stock built the pyramids, and foisted fake science on us all in an effort to... what exactly, Popa? Where does your conspiracy end exactly? Satan's Saturn Cube? What is the end game all knowing Internet Prophet? What does the buzzing tell you is going to happen? Please enlighten us... please?

Bzzzz!

PopadaPill [900338]

Oh dear.You have a go at me because i could recall something,i knew you had posted in that thread more than one or two times just because you cant remember what day it is.Which brings me onto you saying I(?) found a way to 'spew pedo and jewish tribe in this thread' when if you look its you who started banging on about that to someone else..You mention Jews  1st i believe.Behold '---

MachineGunSteve [184119] ''Wow, someone dumb enough to believe that what he or she calls evidence is anything but...

You believe in a race of giants who once lived on earth too, and that the Jews are responsible for everything bad that ever happened, and that Irish people built the Pyramids?

If so, you and Popa should get along nicely. You guys could team up with Candymonster, and tell stories.''

Then the other guy started banging on about synagogues.

End game?May be madness steve,its hard to diagnose you over the internet 8¬D

Sepulchrave [2092631]

Why would you link to a shitty cover of a great song? Losing faith in you Popa. Get your act together.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

@Popa...

You could recall exactly 17 posts... hmmm? I am going to call bullshit.

Yes, I mentioned your typical bullshit post, and you did exactly what I figured you would do. Congrats, genius. You are like an old scratched up vinyl disk... you keep spinning and repeating the same old verse over and over.

What drugs, Popa? I know you mentioned them years ago in these threads, but I can't remember what you wrote. Why not get if off your chest again? It could count as an AA visit.

 

MachineGunSteve [184119]

@Popa...

You could recall exactly 17 posts... hmmm? I am going to call bullshit.

Yes, I mentioned your typical bullshit post, and you did exactly what I figured you would do. Congrats, genius. You are like an old scratched up vinyl disk... you keep spinning and repeating the same old verse over and over.

What drugs, Popa? I know you mentioned them years ago in these threads, but I can't remember what you wrote. Why not get if off your chest again? It could count as an AA visit.