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    Thread created on 03:31:51 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Just like Religion, both used by the Cabal to control you for their power.

     

     

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    Posted on 15:53:40 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Genuinely not sure if you're trolling.

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    Posted on 18:48:47 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    It's true, my PhD is being funded by the illuminati
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    Posted on 20:19:28 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Proxima [1879587]

    It's true, my PhD is being funded by the illuminati
    You also have a pretty huge duck? 
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    Posted on 20:28:49 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Last edited by JussiJernkuuk on 20:30:53 - 05/10/18

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    Posted on 20:29:31 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Proxima [1879587]

    It's true, my PhD is being funded by the illuminati

    Stente [1899758]

    You also have a pretty huge duck? 
    Biggest duck in the pond I bet. 
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    Posted on 20:56:11 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Proxima [1879587]

    It's true, my PhD is being funded by the illuminati
    Really? My funding comes from the Lizard People, they make me and the tens of thousands of physics students each year fake experiments "proving" that the Earth is "round".

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    Posted on 21:14:32 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Whatever next, TRT = literature?

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    Posted on 22:18:45 - 05/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    I have a Theory on the Brontosauruses,which is my theory and is mine own.

    *small cough*
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    Posted on 01:40:33 - 07/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    This is by design. Today's "scientists" are trained to serve big-money interests. Here's what you find on the other end of their leash:

     

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    Posted on 05:25:24 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Genuinely not sure if you're trolling.
    Why would I troll something that is 100% true. People use science as the ultimate authority figure and worship it as if was a God. They program us with bunk cherry picked studies that only fit their narrative of the truth. Like the IPCC, half the people in the world actually believe a study that many brave and  honest scientists call "highly flawed and lacking any scientific method at all. 

     

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    Posted on 13:10:15 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Lewri [1762864]

    Genuinely not sure if you're trolling.

    LawOfOne [266775]

    Why would I troll something that is 100% true. People use science as the ultimate authority figure and worship it as if was a God. They program us with bunk cherry picked studies that only fit their narrative of the truth. Like the IPCC, half the people in the world actually believe a study that many brave and  honest scientists call "highly flawed and lacking any scientific method at all. 
    Ok, this is a slightly more reasonable post than the original. It covers an extremely complex topic that involves a report analysing over 6000 other scientific works, as such, what with the extreme workload I currently have, this will be a brief reply.

    There may be people who take science as the ultimate authority and "worship" it, but why is that? Well the reason is quite clearly that its because science is purely a method of analysis of reality. What better is there to believe in? Admittedly this leads to problems when the media gets involved and people start assuming that if something has the word science in it then it's true. Take this for example: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=410313446 a study that purposely "p-hacked" to get the results they want. But a study doesn't necessarily need to p-hacked for results as a lot of accepted statistically significant uncertainty ranges are actually quite weak resulting in studies like this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/15/precognition-studies-curse-failed-replications which also shows the problem with lack of publication of replications resulting in a large percent of published work being wrong (expertly covered by Veritasium here: https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q). 

    Now all this leads to the problem of some people (who don't understand science) taking random studies and assuming them to be correct ("I fear the man of a single [study]") and this is why we talk about scientific consensus. For example, the scientific consensus on antrhopogenic climate change: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 

    So in short of the above, some people misinterpret science. Now what about the whole fitting my narrative thing? Well if anyone tells you that all or most scientists fake or purposely misinterpret data just so that they get money, throw them in a mental institution. A more common problem on the other hand is bias effecting the methods they use to analyse results (please see: https://hbr.org/2015/03/what-to-do-when-people-draw-different-conclusions-from-the-same-data), but having lots of people analysing something drastically reduces bias.

    If you want to argue that the IPCC report had methodological flaws, fair enough but please do point out those flaws and breakdown what is actually wrong. Saying there's some "scientists" (how many, what are their qualifications, do they work in relative fields, what's their experience with data and statistical analysis?) who disagree is a bit lacking and for anyone to say that a statistical analysis of over 6000 scientific works isn't scientific is just downright absurd. 

    If the media runs amock with something are you truly going to blame the scientists for it?

    As for your comparison of old days science to contemporary science, I call bull. Im a physics student so I look at a phenomenon, I figure out how it works, I then figure out what predictions I can make with that model and I go and see if those predictions are right. Another thing that must happen though is looking at a set of data and saying what does this actually mean? 

    To me, the most important things about science are the repeatability and the quantification. I think anyone who disagrees is not being scientific and so any dogma around them is just an unfortunate product of them calling themselves scientists.
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    Posted on 15:22:38 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Lots of strangers telling you whats what..in white coats
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    Posted on 15:54:27 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    PopadaPill [900338]

    Lots of strangers telling you whats what..in white coats
    Sounds appropriate for you Popa

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    Posted on 15:54:56 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Lots of strangers telling you whats what..in white coats

    Lewri [1762864]

    Sounds appropriate for you Popa
    Who are you maggot?
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    Posted on 16:05:18 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Lots of strangers telling you whats what..in white coats
    Much better to make believe the answer in your own head, so long as the voices agree, huh, Popa?

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    Posted on 16:09:07 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    PopadaPill [900338]

    Lots of strangers telling you whats what..in white coats

    MachineGunSteve [184119]

    Much better to make believe the answer in your own head, so long as the voices agree, huh, Popa?
    Havent you got potential Indians to worry about Steve
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    Posted on 16:09:26 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    Lewri [1762864]

    Genuinely not sure if you're trolling.

    LawOfOne [266775]

    Why would I troll something that is 100% true. People use science as the ultimate authority figure and worship it as if was a God. They program us with bunk cherry picked studies that only fit their narrative of the truth. Like the IPCC, half the people in the world actually believe a study that many brave and  honest scientists call "highly flawed and lacking any scientific method at all. 

    Lewri [1762864]

    Ok, this is a slightly more reasonable post than the original. It covers an extremely complex topic that involves a report analysing over 6000 other scientific works, as such, what with the extreme workload I currently have, this will be a brief reply.

    There may be people who take science as the ultimate authority and "worship" it, but why is that? Well the reason is quite clearly that its because science is purely a method of analysis of reality. What better is there to believe in? Admittedly this leads to problems when the media gets involved and people start assuming that if something has the word science in it then it's true. Take this for example: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=410313446 a study that purposely "p-hacked" to get the results they want. But a study doesn't necessarily need to p-hacked for results as a lot of accepted statistically significant uncertainty ranges are actually quite weak resulting in studies like this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/15/precognition-studies-curse-failed-replications which also shows the problem with lack of publication of replications resulting in a large percent of published work being wrong (expertly covered by Veritasium here: https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q). 

    Now all this leads to the problem of some people (who don't understand science) taking random studies and assuming them to be correct ("I fear the man of a single [study]") and this is why we talk about scientific consensus. For example, the scientific consensus on antrhopogenic climate change: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002 

    So in short of the above, some people misinterpret science. Now what about the whole fitting my narrative thing? Well if anyone tells you that all or most scientists fake or purposely misinterpret data just so that they get money, throw them in a mental institution. A more common problem on the other hand is bias effecting the methods they use to analyse results (please see: https://hbr.org/2015/03/what-to-do-when-people-draw-different-conclusions-from-the-same-data), but having lots of people analysing something drastically reduces bias.

    If you want to argue that the IPCC report had methodological flaws, fair enough but please do point out those flaws and breakdown what is actually wrong. Saying there's some "scientists" (how many, what are their qualifications, do they work in relative fields, what's their experience with data and statistical analysis?) who disagree is a bit lacking and for anyone to say that a statistical analysis of over 6000 scientific works isn't scientific is just downright absurd. 

    If the media runs amock with something are you truly going to blame the scientists for it?

    As for your comparison of old days science to contemporary science, I call bull. Im a physics student so I look at a phenomenon, I figure out how it works, I then figure out what predictions I can make with that model and I go and see if those predictions are right. Another thing that must happen though is looking at a set of data and saying what does this actually mean? 

    To me, the most important things about science are the repeatability and the quantification. I think anyone who disagrees is not being scientific and so any dogma around them is just an unfortunate product of them calling themselves scientists.
    You are wasting your time, Mr. Lewri... and your typing. 

    No matter how you try to explain it, if the audience lacks the necessary ability to think critically... the battle is lost from the beginning. You would have a better chance of explaining the Higgs boson to a dead cockroach.

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    Please protect me from your followers.

     

     

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    Posted on 16:11:22 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    YEAR_ZERO [108862]

    Whatever next, TRT = literature?
    Do you think anyone read those old stories like "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austin and "Little Woman" by Luisa May Alcott when they were first wrote?  No!  The people of that time knew they were just shit and they made jokes just like this about them being considered literature.  Here we are hundreds of years later and only people who want to look fancy read them.  TRT = literature.

    My God... I just defended shit.  Well it's less of defending TRT and more bashing classic literature.

     

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    Posted on 16:14:27 - 16/10/18 (5 years ago)
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    YEAR_ZERO [108862]

    Whatever next, TRT = literature?

    Heigw [1962062]

    Do you think anyone read those old stories like "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austin and "Little Woman" by Luisa May Alcott when they were first wrote?  No!  The people of that time knew they were just shit and they made jokes just like this about them being considered literature.  Here we are hundreds of years later and only people who want to look fancy read them.  TRT = literature.

    My God... I just defended shit.  Well it's less of defending TRT and more bashing classic literature.
    Yes... people with an interest and the money to obtain them read them. 

    Just because one can't understand something, doesn't make that something wrong. 

    Earth Mother, Ganesha, Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Mithra, Jesus, Allah,... GOD...  and the Internet God of conspiracies... I beg you:

     

    Please protect me from your followers.

     

     

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