PopadaPill [900338]

Hmmm,how many Gods are here for you

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Those two are closer to god than the make believe concoctions that most organized religions have come up with, and they both advocate that we get our asses busy figuring out a way off this rock, as the only true purpose for life is the continuation of the species... that is my only point... I don't care what else either of them is/was up too beyond that simple message.

PopadaPill [900338]

To you,not to me..My eyes work

Good goy,This rock..we might as well strip it as thee Gods are going fly you to Mars

A true Space cadet trained by Disney and Co

MachineGunSteve [184119]

To you, not to me.

See it works both ways, Popa...

I am jaded and cynical, but I am no Space Cadet.

I pray thee pray to whichever alter thee see fit, while I search for the exit.

PopadaPill [900338]

Hmmm,how many Gods are here for you

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Those two are closer to god than the make believe concoctions that most organized religions have come up with, and they both advocate that we get our asses busy figuring out a way off this rock, as the only true purpose for life is the continuation of the species... that is my only point... I don't care what else either of them is/was up too beyond that simple message.

PopadaPill [900338]

To you,not to me..My eyes work

Good goy,This rock..we might as well strip it as thee Gods are going fly you to Mars

A true Space cadet trained by Disney and Co

MachineGunSteve [184119]

To you, not to me.

See it works both ways, Popa...

I am jaded and cynical, but I am no Space Cadet.

I pray thee pray to whichever alter thee see fit, while I search for the exit.

PopadaPill [900338]

It certainly does.

IMO you really really are...i can spot one,coz i loved this shit too until something kept knocking on my door.

How much tax money do you think should go to clearing space junk?Dunna want it falling on yer head now..

May be Elong Can make a space car with a big hoover on the front next time.

Yee Gods

PopadaPill [900338]

'I QUOTE OTHERS SHIT THATS HOW I KNOW HOW CLEVER I AM'^

T REX DIED BRO,thats going be us...the Whole She-Bang here.

Im whatever you want me bee,buzzz

PopadaPill [900338]

'I QUOTE OTHERS SHIT THATS HOW I KNOW HOW CLEVER I AM'^

T REX DIED BRO,thats going be us...the Whole She-Bang here.

Im whatever you want me bee,buzzz

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Where did I quote others shit?

Whatever happened to T-Rex is simply a warning to us, and should serve as such, but hey you can pray that it won't happen. Maybe that will work for you. I don't know.

Post some more pictures. Maybe that will calm you down.

Quickdraw [915500]

You absolutely should question the science and I am glad that you are! So, for example, regarding global warming. If you are questioning that current global warming trends are caused by humans, here is a bunch of evidence, in addition to the book I already sent you, showing how it is cause pretty much entirely by humans:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2000JD000028/full

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0442%282004%29017%3C3721%3ACONAAF%3E2.0.CO%3B2

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.167.2337&rep=rep1&type=pdf

http://thingsbreak.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/anthropogenic-and-natural-warming-inferred-from-changes-in-earths-energy-balance.pdf

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL050226/full

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-012-1585-8

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50239/abstract

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-016-3079-6

Even if every single author in this list is a corrupt piece of shit, there is an abundance of data showing how global warming is caused by humans. If rather than questioning the science, you are accusing it of being wrong, you need to present evidence that shows why these studies are wrong. That is why I offered you the supercomputer, so that there is absolutely no excuse. You can either use data and evidence to prove these studies wrong, or stop making baseless accusations.

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LawOfOne [266775]

Antarctic core samples such as Vostok and the EPICA prove that the earths temps go up and they go down as do ice levels. You are looking at global warming(lol) through a microscope that Al Gore sold you. Cycles up and cycles down!. For example over the 2000 years, we are only slightly, and I mean ever so slightly above average when looking at the evidence the trees give us. The MWP was not caused by humans and then temps dropped. For every article that you produce I can produce another peer reviewed article from another person that says the opposite. The reason for this is there is zero conciseness in science that these are man made events. Many will tell you as much, Including a weather expert like John Coleman. He knew much more than you on the subject as do many others. I will take their expert opinions. Sit down Mr. Gore!

Quickdraw [915500]

That is exactly right, the earths tempreature has cycled up and down in the past naturally. That does not mean that current warming is not caused by humans. It also does not mean thqt we should not worry. For example, during previous warm periods most of North America was underwater, it was a vast shallow sea! That would be a huge problem for us if the earth warms enough that it happens again. The reason we need to be concerned with current, human caused global warming is that our society was built around the current conditions. Most major cities are located near rivers so that they have a water supply. What will we do when the climate changes atmospheric circulation so that rainfall patterns change and the rivers are located in different places? What will we do when Florida is underwater? These are all things that will be incredibly expensive to deal with. It would be much cheaper to prevent these changes by stopping global warming now.

I have been advocating that you investigate the science on your own so that you dont have to rely on an authority to tell you what to think because I think that is the best way to prevent the abuses of authority that you are worried about. But if you only want to trust an expert, I do in fact know what I am talking about. I am a scientist with a PhD who studies the impacts of global warming, so I am much more qualified to speak on the subject than John Coleman who only had a bachelors degree in journalism and based his views on things that are demonstrably false. If you can produce a bunch of peer reviewed articles that global warming is not caused by humans I would be happy to read them.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Let's say I accept the fact that you know what you are talking about, and I accept the fact that humans are to cause for the minor fluctuations in temperature that are currently causing climate change to be more robust than is attributable to natural factors... so what?

The problem I have with all of this is that there is no practical fix that I can conceive of or have read about that is achievable in a manner that probably won't cause a major collapse of our economy and way of life.

If we in the USA suddenly stopped eating meat... all of us, and stopped driving to work... all of us... and stopped doing everything we are doing (impossible really) what impact would that have? Maybe a global reduction of 20% for our carbon footprint... say 25%... but then we may as well give the keys to the Russians and Chinese to the White House, and all march lock step into the nearest ocean.

We are a capitalist nation (I guess... we try to be, or we call ourselves one... not sure anymore), so the market will eventually fix the problem in the USA. Solar panels are popping up on every roof in my neighborhood. Hybrid cars are everywhere... laws are being past to end plastic use in retail... etc., etc. What else should we do doctor?

I would love for someone with an actual plan to run for office. Not someone with anecdotes, campaign slogans, and rhetoric, but an actual thought out plan to show us during their campaigning that looks like it would work without ruin to the national economy. I would vote for that person regardless of party. But I have yet to see that person, because there is no plan... there is only using the issue as a wedge and political gain, and that is just as bad as denying there is a problem in my opinion.

Quickdraw [915500]

This is the crux of the problem, and I believe the real reason why many conservatives choose to believe that global warming isn't real. The market cannot fix global warming because the market is based on the idea of an unlimited commons, so that if everybody does what is in their best interest things will work out. But the world is not an unlimited commons and if we pollute it we are ultimately ruining things for ourselves (read about the concept: tragedy of the commons). In order to avoid this we need to agree to fix it as a group (i.e. government intervention). One good way is a carbon tax of which there are many well thought out proposals, here is one since it is a science subforum from tye union of concerned scientists: https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/solutions/global-warming-solutions-reduce-emissions#.Wr-tbHNlBdZ

So yeah there will be economic upheaval for people and companies that are based on fossil fuels, but for the vast majority of people there wont be much effect and we would be far better positioned for the future. If we do nothing (i.e. try to let the market fix global warming) then the economic consequences are far greater. The locations of our cities would need to be moved, crops will be far less productive. A scenario like that movie interstellar is possible where we can no longer grow enough food to feed ourselves. The economic consequences of inaction are far far greater.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

"In order to avoid this we need to agree to fix it as a group (i.e. government intervention)."

There isn't a single world government, thus it is a near impossibility that there will ever be a unified agreement on fixing this issue. We in the USA don't whale anymore, but Japan still does. We in the USA don't grind Rhino horns into powder to keep our dicks hard, and other nations on earth up until recent times didn't contribute to climate change to the same degree that the USA has in the past for lots of reasons. Each and every nation on this globe, past and present, has contributed to the mess we are in, and only nature can, and eventually will fix it.

I know how all the scenarios play out, and I honestly believe it is inevitable.

We should be listening to Elon Musk, and the late Mr. Hawkings, imho.

LawOfOne [266775]

Antarctic core samples such as Vostok and the EPICA prove that the earths temps go up and they go down as do ice levels. You are looking at global warming(lol) through a microscope that Al Gore sold you. Cycles up and cycles down!. For example over the 2000 years, we are only slightly, and I mean ever so slightly above average when looking at the evidence the trees give us. The MWP was not caused by humans and then temps dropped. For every article that you produce I can produce another peer reviewed article from another person that says the opposite. The reason for this is there is zero conciseness in science that these are man made events. Many will tell you as much, Including a weather expert like John Coleman. He knew much more than you on the subject as do many others. I will take their expert opinions. Sit down Mr. Gore!

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Quickdraw [915500]

That is exactly right, the earths tempreature has cycled up and down in the past naturally. That does not mean that current warming is not caused by humans. It also does not mean thqt we should not worry. For example, during previous warm periods most of North America was underwater, it was a vast shallow sea! That would be a huge problem for us if the earth warms enough that it happens again. The reason we need to be concerned with current, human caused global warming is that our society was built around the current conditions. Most major cities are located near rivers so that they have a water supply. What will we do when the climate changes atmospheric circulation so that rainfall patterns change and the rivers are located in different places? What will we do when Florida is underwater? These are all things that will be incredibly expensive to deal with. It would be much cheaper to prevent these changes by stopping global warming now.

I have been advocating that you investigate the science on your own so that you dont have to rely on an authority to tell you what to think because I think that is the best way to prevent the abuses of authority that you are worried about. But if you only want to trust an expert, I do in fact know what I am talking about. I am a scientist with a PhD who studies the impacts of global warming, so I am much more qualified to speak on the subject than John Coleman who only had a bachelors degree in journalism and based his views on things that are demonstrably false. If you can produce a bunch of peer reviewed articles that global warming is not caused by humans I would be happy to read them.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

Let's say I accept the fact that you know what you are talking about, and I accept the fact that humans are to cause for the minor fluctuations in temperature that are currently causing climate change to be more robust than is attributable to natural factors... so what?

The problem I have with all of this is that there is no practical fix that I can conceive of or have read about that is achievable in a manner that probably won't cause a major collapse of our economy and way of life.

If we in the USA suddenly stopped eating meat... all of us, and stopped driving to work... all of us... and stopped doing everything we are doing (impossible really) what impact would that have? Maybe a global reduction of 20% for our carbon footprint... say 25%... but then we may as well give the keys to the Russians and Chinese to the White House, and all march lock step into the nearest ocean.

We are a capitalist nation (I guess... we try to be, or we call ourselves one... not sure anymore), so the market will eventually fix the problem in the USA. Solar panels are popping up on every roof in my neighborhood. Hybrid cars are everywhere... laws are being past to end plastic use in retail... etc., etc. What else should we do doctor?

I would love for someone with an actual plan to run for office. Not someone with anecdotes, campaign slogans, and rhetoric, but an actual thought out plan to show us during their campaigning that looks like it would work without ruin to the national economy. I would vote for that person regardless of party. But I have yet to see that person, because there is no plan... there is only using the issue as a wedge and political gain, and that is just as bad as denying there is a problem in my opinion.

Quickdraw [915500]

This is the crux of the problem, and I believe the real reason why many conservatives choose to believe that global warming isn't real. The market cannot fix global warming because the market is based on the idea of an unlimited commons, so that if everybody does what is in their best interest things will work out. But the world is not an unlimited commons and if we pollute it we are ultimately ruining things for ourselves (read about the concept: tragedy of the commons). In order to avoid this we need to agree to fix it as a group (i.e. government intervention). One good way is a carbon tax of which there are many well thought out proposals, here is one since it is a science subforum from tye union of concerned scientists: https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/global-warming/solutions/global-warming-solutions-reduce-emissions#.Wr-tbHNlBdZ

So yeah there will be economic upheaval for people and companies that are based on fossil fuels, but for the vast majority of people there wont be much effect and we would be far better positioned for the future. If we do nothing (i.e. try to let the market fix global warming) then the economic consequences are far greater. The locations of our cities would need to be moved, crops will be far less productive. A scenario like that movie interstellar is possible where we can no longer grow enough food to feed ourselves. The economic consequences of inaction are far far greater.

MachineGunSteve [184119]

"In order to avoid this we need to agree to fix it as a group (i.e. government intervention)."

There isn't a single world government, thus it is a near impossibility that there will ever be a unified agreement on fixing this issue. We in the USA don't whale anymore, but Japan still does. We in the USA don't grind Rhino horns into powder to keep our dicks hard, and other nations on earth up until recent times didn't contribute to climate change to the same degree that the USA has in the past for lots of reasons. Each and every nation on this globe, past and present, has contributed to the mess we are in, and only nature can, and eventually will fix it.

I know how all the scenarios play out, and I honestly believe it is inevitable.

We should be listening to Elon Musk, and the late Mr. Hawkings, imho.

Quickdraw [915500]

Well that is what the Paris agreement is for, to build an international coalition where everybody agrees to work together to fix the problem. The only reason that deal didnt have a strong enforcement mechanism is because the US refused to participate if it did.

It seems awfully selfish to tell our kids and grandkids that we would doom this planet to be unfit for human habitation for them so that we can enjoy the fruits of burning all the fossil fuel we can get our hands on.

Ayelis [2115725]

Obviously science is "for sale", buy a beaker. Case closed.
Anyone who wants to make a buck can pay any corruptible idiot with a PhD and bills to pay to publish a study saying anything they like. That study likely won't be repeatable once it's subjected to peer-review and meta-analysis (the REAL tools of science), so the scientific community at large will laugh them out of the industry and they'll lose all credibility... But that won't stop the news media from reporting on the false ideas that "Cannabis oil cures cancer 100%" or "Eating genetically modified food will turn you into a fish-person" or whatever.

TLDR; Just because ONE STUDY says something doesn't make it true.

Code [2091491]

Science is infallible,

The "scientific method" requires "Proof" and the ability to replicate results via repeated experimentation. Even then though it is only regarded as "proof beyond reasonable doubt" which leaves the possibility of "un-reasonable doubt". At no point are things considered "known" and as it is always open to the idea that it may be flawed in every way, it can be regarded as "infallible"

Some may say it is fallible, in the sense that it can cause miss-conceptions, though this fault lies with the person holding the miss-conception not with the "method" of science :p