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Bare Knuckle (Hard) ...mission failed

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    Thread created on 05:37:45 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)
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    Last replied 23:32:12 - 18/04/16 (8 years ago)
    the result below :


    YOU IDIOT! You have wax in your ears or what? I said no weapons and no armor, and you go out and use it anyhow. What, did you think everyone would hear bang bang bang and assume your car was backfiring? You made me lose my bet and lose face with my friends, I trusted you so much I even put my money on you! How do I get that back? I know: you transfer $250,000 to my account and we'll call it even. Or do you want me to send some of my muscle to convince you? Grrrr! If you were a horse I'd take you out to a field and shoot you in the face.

    mission was :


    • Defeat Skar with no weapons or armor equipped
    • Agent standing decreased

    English isn't my language, so I think I missing something when teacher learn me about " and " and "or"...

    I beat Skar with no armor but weapon equiped, then I failed the mission...
    bug or something wrong or a bad programmed line...
    I would get comments from admins about this...thanks in advance
    Last edited by Evwa on 05:40:02 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)
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    Posted on 08:16:22 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)
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    The mission was: Defeat Skar with no weapons or armor equipped

    You interpreted this as being a choice between:

    1) using armor but no weapon
    2) using a weapon but no armor

    I sympathize. I can see how it might be understood this way by a non-English speaker, the "or" giving a suggestion of choice, in a programming language sense.

    The mission summary might be better phrased as "Defeat Skar with neither weapons nor armor equipped", but then Duke is not exactly renowned as a model grammarian.

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    Posted on 09:47:33 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)
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    English is a strange language at times, but in this case the "or" is a continuation of the the initial negative in the "no" (such continuations are commonly used in "modern" english" as an abbreviation of traditional / grammatically correct "neither X nor Y" proposition), indicating that "you cannot have any weapon or armour equipped" (see - that just worked in the same way), as opposed to "you cannot have any weapon equipped, but you can have armour equipped".

    Even if you're not a native english speaker you should have considered why it would even mention armour there if there was no restriction on it, so it should have rung a few alarm bells.
    Last edited by Butters on 09:52:17 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)

    I like apples doo doo doo...

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    Posted on 16:08:10 - 22/02/16 (8 years ago)
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    thanks guys for your analysis. I see now where I am wrong and is my fault if I do missions when I wake up. I will drink more coffee next time before accepting something from Duke :)
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    Posted on 11:25:14 - 25/03/16 (8 years ago)
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    i had the same situation... mission failed, because i attacked without armor, but with weapon. :/

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    Posted on 11:42:39 - 28/03/16 (8 years ago)
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    mission was :

    • Defeat Skar with no weapons or armor equipped
    • Agent standing decreased


    IMHO it will be less misleading (considering quite a lot of active players are not native English speakers) if the wording was:

    Defeat XXXX with neither weapons nor armor equipped

    Or am I wrong? I'm pretty sure some players already knew that English is not my 1st language, so I apologize in advance if I'm wrong.. XD

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    Posted on 15:02:39 - 28/03/16 (8 years ago)
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    No you are right, it would be a lot more clear with the way you worded it.

    But Torn has issues with that specific UK English (gonna assume that is UK-specific, in America we wouldn't say or like that) verbiage they use in multiple places. Just last night there was a pretty big issue with how they were wording some bets which made them incredibly misleading.
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    Posted on 15:22:46 - 28/03/16 (8 years ago)
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    i'd say or makes perfect sence, but that is coming from English being my primary language background, so i can see how it may be a problem for a non primary speaking player

    neither weapons nor armor works
    another would be to say be completely unequipped, or have no equipment

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    Posted on 18:53:22 - 29/03/16 (8 years ago)
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    that's me!
    :D
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    Posted on 23:32:12 - 18/04/16 (8 years ago)
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    Another hint of what to do is how "Bare Knuckle" kind of but not really rhymes with bare naked. But even on it's own, bare knuckled means fist fighting without gloves.

    I am a leaf on the wind, watch me soar

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