1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Chedburn [1]

The second agent is set to be a female physicist, so you're sorted.

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Chedburn [1]

The second agent is set to be a female physicist, so you're sorted.

1945959 [1945959]

oh, at my age, appreciative comments on my anatomy are welcomed if not encouraged. I'm decidedly not put off by the dialog. But I remember what it's like to be 25 (in RL) and we don't want to lose any young, female players when we have so few. For those who wonder why we care about the female demographic, read this: http://flurrymobile.tumblr.com/post/115192642055/mobile-gaming-females-beat-males-on-money-time
For many games, women keep the servers up and running. They play and they pay. There are plenty of other articles supporting this perspective. Note the bar for management/simulation mobile games.
I'm looking forward to the female physicist.

Jam [928891]

I don't really see how a misogynistic character in a crime game represents the game itself oppressing female players, it's just a character aspect.

Also I'm fairly certain you identified as male on here up until recently? Am I missing something?

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Jam [928891]

I don't really see how a misogynistic character in a crime game represents the game itself oppressing female players, it's just a character aspect.

Also I'm fairly certain you identified as male on here up until recently? Am I missing something?

1945959 [1945959]

yep, totally missing something. I'm female just as God made me, lol. Always played female too. Some players *have* assumed I was a guy and I didn't always correct them, as it didn't seem important to the topic.
I'm fine with Duke's personality. But answer me this: If Duke went after a racial group or a religious group is a way that indicated his prejudicial dislike of said group, would you be ok with that? What if he told a racial or religious minority to get out because their physical characteristics, as perceived by Duke, were bothering him? We'd be bordering on hate language then, and so you won't be seeing it in this game. Similar language, when used to refer to women, is socially acceptable. Just pointing out the dichotomy here, an interesting artifact of most human societies in our reality.

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Harley [258120]

So when he insults us men does this mean the same thing will happen to us? Because that's what Duke keeps doing to us aswell. Point is it's just his character, it's who he is. It's not like it's a real person insulting you for real aspects etc. It's a little bit exagerated to call things like 'good looking cause of your buns' or his sister wearing miniskirts disadvantaging to woman isn't it?

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Harley [258120]

So when he insults us men does this mean the same thing will happen to us? Because that's what Duke keeps doing to us aswell. Point is it's just his character, it's who he is. It's not like it's a real person insulting you for real aspects etc. It's a little bit exagerated to call things like 'good looking cause of your buns' or his sister wearing miniskirts disadvantaging to woman isn't it?

1945959 [1945959]

ok, the first time I had this very same argument was sometime in the late 70's. I already know all the points and counterpoints, and as Sartre suggested, there is No Exit. Instead of engaging, I am going to take the very best advice ever given to me in this game, proffered by CDF when I was a mere lass of 15 days: "Suck it up, Buttercup." Just so we're clear, I'm saying that to myself, not to you. I know an infinite loop when I see one. I'm just going to suck it up, and say, "Why yes, you are right, how dim-witted of me not to see the obvious parallel here." Should any woman like to pick up the baton and go for this one, it's all yours.

1945959 [1945959]

It's funny that Duke can speak suggestively to women here, but I bet he won't be rattling off any racial slurs. Along with very old models of cars and in-flight notes that are from ten years ago, Duke's dialog fits in with the anachronistic aspect of the game -- many descriptive details are way behind the times. lol, maybe female players will start making only 65% of the income of male players in income and mugging? perhaps we will be denied promotion beyond level 50? there are so many "1980's and earlier" ways to keep us in our place. just hope we see a woman NPC in the missions eventually, preferably doing something besides owning a brothel. I'm thinking of sending a copy of the "Kill Bill" films to the development team for inspiration.

Harley [258120]

So when he insults us men does this mean the same thing will happen to us? Because that's what Duke keeps doing to us aswell. Point is it's just his character, it's who he is. It's not like it's a real person insulting you for real aspects etc. It's a little bit exagerated to call things like 'good looking cause of your buns' or his sister wearing miniskirts disadvantaging to woman isn't it?

1945959 [1945959]

ok, the first time I had this very same argument was sometime in the late 70's. I already know all the points and counterpoints, and as Sartre suggested, there is No Exit. Instead of engaging, I am going to take the very best advice ever given to me in this game, proffered by CDF when I was a mere lass of 15 days: "Suck it up, Buttercup." Just so we're clear, I'm saying that to myself, not to you. I know an infinite loop when I see one. I'm just going to suck it up, and say, "Why yes, you are right, how dim-witted of me not to see the obvious parallel here." Should any woman like to pick up the baton and go for this one, it's all yours.

Foggy [939739]

I think I was there that day ccwy that you were told that.....but remember it being BFM, not CDF....but I could be living up to my name and a little cloudy on the exact source.....Just hate for CDF to take that rap if not guilty....lol....But whoever said it was correct, though a bit insensitive in delivery. imo

1945959 [1945959]

ah, you're right, it was BFM. I owe CDF an Armalite. Confusion of memories is the first sign of... something, I don't remember now. At any rate, it's not a rap, it's a compliment: summing up the most important rule of Torn in only four words is pretty good. And if he was insensitive, at least he was trying to be insensitive. Self-awareness ranks higher than sensitivity in my book.

rainbowsaurus [1884204]

I wouldn't wanna meet you down a dark alley. Or a well-lit one you ugly S.O.B! - Duke

Guess Duke doesn't like my buns :(