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    Posted on 01:32:02 - 27/01/16 (6 years ago)
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    Well my trainer who has been a trainer for over 20 years(i think) and owns his own business told me its not good to run more than 2 miles all you're doing is just burning your muscles away regardless how much you eat.

    I might run 1-2 miles every 2-4 weeks, but I try my best not to mess with cardio much by running. If I wanna do some cardio work I'll just wrestle some people or put on the boxing gloves(which i prefer better) to do my cardio! I think it helps out a lot, doing 3-5 rounds at 5 minutes a time with a 30 second - 1 minute break in between.

    As my trainer said though he focuses more on upper body about 4 times a week and is a big guy! If you like, you can look him up on facebook about his page and talk to him more about it. I do my best to visit his store 2 times a month to help out his business and keep it in my town!

    Jamster12312 [1196487]

    You will only start to lose muscle mass from doing cardio if you have an inadequate calorie intake and also inadequate protein intake.
    Do marathon runners burn away their muscle because they run daily? If they did they would very quickly have no muscle left.
    So to answer Lasky, yes you are right, it is dependent on your diet.

    TomDickHarry [14757]

    Yeah they do burn away muscle if they're running longer periods daily. When was the last time you saw a lean marathon runner with muscle mass?

    Your body burns energy in a structured and specific way.

    It's nonsense to say you can run 3h a day as long as you take in 25k calories to offset your running and not lose muscle mass (obvi that nr is exagerated), which still wouldn't work.

    That being said, everyone needs a bif of cardio, but you wanna pick the right type. Long runs are not good for muscle-ing.

    Jamster12312 [1196487]

    For starters there aren't many marathon runners who aren't lean....
    Of course a marathon runner has muscle mass, not a huge amount because that is an adaptation they need for their sport, but they do have some muscle mass, predominantly in the lower body.
    And i am completely familiar with the bodies energy systems.
    Now if we took your stance and said that muscle burns away if you run long distances daily regardless of nutrition, these guys would slowly lose the muscle in their legs and their performance would slowly decline and if they kept losing muscle mass they would eventually struggle to run, except that doesn't happen as marathon runners take in the appropriate amount of calories to keep them that same size and repair the micro tears in the muscle post running. But it needs to be good nutrition not just shoveling a big mac down after a run.

    Now don't mistake what I'm saying, you would likely find it very hard to make gains but it is completely possible to maintain size whilst running distances with proper nutrition (BCAA's would be very handy for this). Obviously this is within reason, if someone like thor bjornsson starting doing 5 mile jogs daily it would be a case of he cannot eat enough food to maintain that size... but generally it is possible within reason.
    I think we're on the same page. Nutrition is important. If you're trying to make gains running long.distances is inefficient and ineffective. Train right, eat right for your goal.

    Haha I added lean because I have a marathon runner friend who's on the pudgy side. I'm guessing too many tacos.

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    Posted on 09:04:06 - 27/01/16 (6 years ago)
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    To be fair to him.. Tacos are amazing! :D
    (Also good discussion guys(and gal) I like it =D)
    "No guts, no glory.”

     

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    Posted on 14:11:15 - 27/01/16 (6 years ago)
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    Yes burning away muscles and able to keep the muscles you gain does depend on how much you eat.

    Which is why I eat 5k calories daily to stay where I am.

    Of course marathon runner do not naturally eat as much or close to it, but they do a little over average of 3k calories daily maybe. They would have some mass, but it wouldn't be much.

    As long as they keep eating right and doing whatever they find best, it will work soon or later in life for them.

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    Posted on 21:47:24 - 27/01/16 (6 years ago)
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    there's no best supplement to use imo.... different things work for diff people... the only thing that i can think of that has been best of it its class for a while is gold standard whey protein - pretty basic. 

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    Posted on 00:09:30 - 28/01/16 (6 years ago)
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    I done posted a great protein and pill supplement that I use.

    Works great if only you're trying bulk and nothing less.

    • Lasky [1718783]
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    Posted on 09:29:55 - 28/01/16 (5 years ago)
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    IN_COLD_BLOOD [1613784]

    there's no best supplement to use imo.... different things work for diff people... the only thing that i can think of that has been best of it its class for a while is gold standard whey protein - pretty basic.

    Gold standard is quite expensive though isn't it? Where do you buy yours from?
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    Posted on 14:05:56 - 28/01/16 (5 years ago)
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    Its decent.

    If you wanna get big look up heavy gain proteins.

    I had a protein that gave over 40 protein in it. Was massive gains fast! Only thing that suck was losing so much money to eat everything I needed for it.

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    Posted on 22:57:55 - 11/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    The only supplements you will ever need are multi-vitamins and Glucosamine for joint support.

    Everything else is unecessary BS that has been over marketed by the supplement companies to make you think you need it.
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    Posted on 00:18:22 - 13/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    IN_COLD_BLOOD [1613784]

    there's no best supplement to use imo.... different things work for diff people... the only thing that i can think of that has been best of it its class for a while is gold standard whey protein - pretty basic.

    Lasky [1718783]

    Gold standard is quite expensive though isn't it? Where do you buy yours from?
    it's expensive but it's top quality - www.bodybuilding.com, there's other proteins that are good though.. low carb protein i once used was 


    Also kind of expensive - but against you want quality, usually you gotta pay... for preworkout i switch it up - currently just started using
    It's great but if you really want full effect use a scoop and half - 2 scoops... so it seems cheap... if u can get your fix off one scoop then the price is great - only 20.99

    Other supplements/vitamins i use






    = cheap, highly rated... sometimes with the vitamins/minerals type things you can go cheap and have pretty much same outcome.

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    Posted on 10:09:48 - 13/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    People, you are killing yourselves. with all the fish oil, iso's, protein ... Not suitable for human consumption!

    You should east WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED DIET! Than you don't need any supplements. Forget milk and diary ... will leach calcium from your bones, excess protein will make you sick and unhealthy, with cardio-vascular diseases and your chances getting cancer will increase exponentialy...

    So you want to be big and get a hard attack when you in early 40's ? What is the sense in that? You want to be diagnosed with cancer in your early 50's after eating all the protein shit supplement companies gives you? It's all bullshit and you are all blind ...

    WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED DIET is the only right one to keep and stay healthy, reverse heart diseases, stop cancer and live happy healthy lives. And you can get strong as well. Just train. Forget machines, grab olympic weights, grab kettlebells... get strong. Train and eat healthily ... your body will thank you big time.

    Read "HOW NOT TO DIE" from Dr Greger, learn about nutrition. If you think supplements will save your poor arse, you are so wrong. Remember my words when you get a cancer later in your life. Did you know what sudden cardiac arrest kills 30% of the humans straight away? You think you will get a hard attack and survive? Your chances are about 60% ...

    I would rather live healthy life, don't look like a bodybuilder, but more like a Bruce Lee and run in circles around all the guys who take stupid supplements.
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    Posted on 22:06:03 - 13/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    Edheldis [1692649]

    People, you are killing yourselves. with all the fish oil, iso's, protein ... Not suitable for human consumption!

    You should east WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED DIET! Than you don't need any supplements. Forget milk and diary ... will leach calcium from your bones, excess protein will make you sick and unhealthy, with cardio-vascular diseases and your chances getting cancer will increase exponentialy...

    So you want to be big and get a hard attack when you in early 40's ? What is the sense in that? You want to be diagnosed with cancer in your early 50's after eating all the protein shit supplement companies gives you? It's all bullshit and you are all blind ...

    WHOLE FOOD PLANT BASED DIET is the only right one to keep and stay healthy, reverse heart diseases, stop cancer and live happy healthy lives. And you can get strong as well. Just train. Forget machines, grab olympic weights, grab kettlebells... get strong. Train and eat healthily ... your body will thank you big time.

    Read "HOW NOT TO DIE" from Dr Greger, learn about nutrition. If you think supplements will save your poor arse, you are so wrong. Remember my words when you get a cancer later in your life. Did you know what sudden cardiac arrest kills 30% of the humans straight away? You think you will get a hard attack and survive? Your chances are about 60% ...

    I would rather live healthy life, don't look like a bodybuilder, but more like a Bruce Lee and run in circles around all the guys who take stupid supplements.
    Cancer for many people is completely random. Live your life the way you wanna live it, live it to the fullest. I'm on a healthy diet as well, i lift weights, free weights, machines, kettlebells, cardio, everything. Supplements help... you don't have to agree. Show me some scientific evidence that links any of the supplements i listed to cancer... please... something legit too... not some bs study by an unrecognized source in the medical science world. 

    If you can't show me something to back your opinion, then it's just an opinion. You're entitled to your opinion... but dont attack us that choose to take supplements.

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    Posted on 16:39:36 - 14/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    Damn hippies!

    I started taking the following after my grandpa was diagnosed with prostate cancer:
    L-Arginine
    Saw Palmetto
    Pageum
    Zinc
    Lecithin

    I'll also take B12

    I have a pretty iron heavy diet (broccoli, spinach, kale, etc), started increasing the intake of these type of foods after my iron levels dropped due to blood donations (2 1/2 gallons at this point). Not really sure what type of supplements you're wanting/aiming for, but as with everything else, moderation is best. Taking a higher dosage than is required usually has a more drastic negative effect than having too little (excluding deficiencies). If you want to do this right, get a blood test, see if levels are low and figure out what you should be taking based on that.
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    Posted on 19:44:55 - 14/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    Basically use common sense and if you lack that - google what are safe levels of ingestion of whatever supplement... Protein wise i normally don't go over 25grams, i see people going for 40+ and honestly they probably pooping most of that out. 

    Fish oil - no more than 1000mg a day imo is necessary - for normal people anyways
    more on fish oil - http://draxe.com/fish-oil-benefits-health/


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    Posted on 20:00:24 - 14/04/16 (5 years ago)
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    As for Multivitamins - no harm in taking those.
    Preworkout - not best thing for you but it serves its purpose.
    My knees are jacked up from playing a lot of sports when i was younger (and also getting hitting by a car), so i take MSM.

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