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    Posted on 20:52:52 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    What is right is based on morality isn’t that the discussion we’re having?

    broleaf [3140943]

    It's quite simple: you have your contemporary ethics, and I have my spiritual and traditional ethics. I've already explained where mine are derived from. What is right is dependent on the age of spirit; what is right is based on power.

    On my cellphone atm.

    Capgros [2088627]

    The age of spirit in your country, is not really based on religion anymore.



    Massive Declines – 2011-2021 Religious Affiliation Numbers in Canada,

    Seems you are just living in the past

    broleaf [3140943]

    The rise of reactionarism without any spiritual or moral grounding poses a danger to human life, unless the society is more or less homogeneous. Atheist traditionalists may clash with other atheist traditionalists. Christianity binds the two in harmony under spirit.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You're absolutely wrong, there is spiritually besides organized religion, you make a logical fallacy here

    For instance, the fact that every living thing has evolved from one organism, means all living things on the earth are somehow connected, that's actually more beautiful than everything religion stands for in my eyes.

    broleaf [3140943]

    My atheist spirituality, lol.
    People trying to keep living in the past, historically never ended that well, the whole notion that religious people are more spiritual than others is just bs, it's just a new form of experiencing our surroundings.
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    Posted on 20:55:13 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Yes, there is. If you go outside the contemporary context and base morality on tradition rooted in the past rather than the future, you have officially anchor yourself.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Who’s tradition exactly?

    broleaf [3140943]

    I suppose that depends on the individual. I wonder what would happen if the Enlightenment began to collapse, and everyone started to return to their traditions. Hmm...

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Then if it’s based on an individual basis what gives anyone the right to question another’s ability to conceptualize morality?

    broleaf [3140943]

    Individual might be too simplistic, so I'll expand that. I base it on one's ancestors. In my case, I am Scottish and Christian. I derive my traditions from that.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.
    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.
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    NRx. Reject Modernity return to: Tradition, Monarchy, Spirit.

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    Posted on 20:57:08 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Who’s tradition exactly?

    broleaf [3140943]

    I suppose that depends on the individual. I wonder what would happen if the Enlightenment began to collapse, and everyone started to return to their traditions. Hmm...

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Then if it’s based on an individual basis what gives anyone the right to question another’s ability to conceptualize morality?

    broleaf [3140943]

    Individual might be too simplistic, so I'll expand that. I base it on one's ancestors. In my case, I am Scottish and Christian. I derive my traditions from that.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.
    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.
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    Posted on 21:00:34 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    But you live in a society of varying ancestry. So should you impose your morality on others or have others impose theirs on you? If morality should be based on tradition of course

    broleaf [3140943]

    A positive aspect is that we have Christianity to patch together that framework, being the higher-regarded tradition over the ancestral one. Without it, the rise of the Dark Enlightenment could be quite dangerous, as I'm sure you can see. We would be reduced to tribalist chimps, murdering each other, I'm sure, in short order. Kek.

    When the Enlightenment collapses, so does the shoddy, illogical framework that bound that society together. Food for thought.
    One could argue that atheists are the biggest danger to human life in the change in age of spirit.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    So morality should be based on Christianity and anyone who doesn’t believe Jesus is their lord and saviour should have Christian morals imposed on them?

    broleaf [3140943]

    What is right is irrelevant.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    What is right is based on morality isn’t that the discussion we’re having?

    broleaf [3140943]

    It's quite simple: you have your contemporary ethics, and I have my spiritual and traditional ethics. I've already explained where mine are derived from. What is right is dependent on the age of spirit; what is right is based on power.

    On my cellphone atm.
    Interesting, so based on your spiritual ethics how should refugees be handled?
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    Posted on 21:00:34 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    I suppose that depends on the individual. I wonder what would happen if the Enlightenment began to collapse, and everyone started to return to their traditions. Hmm...

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Then if it’s based on an individual basis what gives anyone the right to question another’s ability to conceptualize morality?

    broleaf [3140943]

    Individual might be too simplistic, so I'll expand that. I base it on one's ancestors. In my case, I am Scottish and Christian. I derive my traditions from that.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.
    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Then if it’s based on an individual basis what gives anyone the right to question another’s ability to conceptualize morality?

    broleaf [3140943]

    Individual might be too simplistic, so I'll expand that. I base it on one's ancestors. In my case, I am Scottish and Christian. I derive my traditions from that.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.
    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.
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    The most unchristian christian to ever christian
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Individual might be too simplistic, so I'll expand that. I base it on one's ancestors. In my case, I am Scottish and Christian. I derive my traditions from that.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.
    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    You have older ancestors, that weren't neither.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.
    What is going to happen when it ends?  And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?
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    The most unchristian christian to ever christian
    Christians in Spain stabbed themselves in the back, by backing Franco, after his regime Christianity plummeted, it was a deep dive. People just saw the truth about the church trying to keep control walking on corpses.
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Another unironic reason why Christianity is important: a Scottish pagan might clash with a Scottish Christian, and the extent to which you base the tradition could vary. Christianity is grounded in time with a consensus. I love orthodoxy because it's unchanging. So, yes, even members of the same ethnic group could bicker regarding where the tradition should be based. The end goal is to strive for harmony in contrast to chaos.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?
    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.
    You're the one expressing concerns about 'muh kek' and the 'alt-right boogeyman.' Now you're contrasting; that's not a consistent stance. Pick a lane.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    Your arguments are getting pretty silly quickly now.

    Nothing lasts forever.

    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.
    Can you be more specific?
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    Posted on 21:12:38 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you be more specific?
    Ask broleaf, or that mudbug guy.
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    Posted on 21:13:20 - 01/12/23 (4 months ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you be more specific?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Ask broleaf, or that mudbug guy.
    ok
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    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you be more specific?
    Go check the European electoral map; neo-reactionaries are on the rise. The AFD is now larger than Merkel's old party.
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    Faether [2732904]

    The most unchristian christian to ever christian

    Capgros [2088627]

    Christians in Spain stabbed themselves in the back, by backing Franco, after his regime Christianity plummeted, it was a deep dive. People just saw the truth about the church trying to keep control walking on corpses.
    Organized religion has always been about control. That's why churches keep having to change their rules to stay relevant with the younger generations.
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    Faether [2732904]

    The most unchristian christian to ever christian

    Capgros [2088627]

    Christians in Spain stabbed themselves in the back, by backing Franco, after his regime Christianity plummeted, it was a deep dive. People just saw the truth about the church trying to keep control walking on corpses.

    Faether [2732904]

    Organized religion has always been about control. That's why churches keep having to change their rules to stay relevant with the younger generations.
    Not orthodoxy; hence, their appeal to reactionaries.
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    broleaf [3140943]

    No, your notion of an atheist having any sort of spirituality was off. I'm just expanding on my premise.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.

    broleaf [3140943]

    You're the one expressing concerns about 'muh kek' and the 'alt-right boogeyman.' Now you're contrasting; that's not a consistent stance. Pick a lane.
    Eventually it won't be, doesn't mean we have to call out the bullshit. But let's face it, what are those Kek demonstrations, some teenagers in the ten numbers wearing fake nazi symbols. Just meh.

    It's funny you use atheist as boogeyman all the time, guess you are just projecting.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    You are not superior, nor better than atheists, or agnostics like me.

    you said yourself, it depends on the spirit of the time, and obviously, the time for Christianity is running out, it's not a problem, after all, it's just a small part f human history, a pretty bloody one though. Something new will grow from it, as it always did.

    broleaf [3140943]

    We've been living in the anti-tradition era, also known as the Enlightenment, for 300 years. I think you fail to grasp the fact that this era is now ending, hence the rise of the far right.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    What is going to happen when it ends? And how will it change people's lives, and how do I prepare myself when it does happen?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Some sort of dark enlightenment lol, if you can't win any discussion, you have to make up things to prove a false point.

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you be more specific?

    broleaf [3140943]

    Go check the European electoral map; neo-reactionaries are on the rise. The AFD is now larger than Merkel's old party.
    I do not know what you are referring to.  Can you send me a map or something?
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