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    Posted on 01:07:15 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    the boy who cried nazi nazi





    "Neo-Nazi" a interesting choice of word since it seems he does not like technocracy, and I saw no mention of socialism; if anything, he attacked that.

    I've already countered that attempt, but feel free to formulate an opposition counter.

    Helpful suggestion.


    You might want to look up the definition of what a Nazi is, then refrain from calling him that and instead reduce him to a racist, albeit even so, you'd struggle with that. Because then we could paint every woke person of color as a racist who utilizes systemic racism theory using synonymous logic in the context he brought up matters regarding whites.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I get it why you are trying to rebrand, but you are still too obvious.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    Collete [1389080]

    It's true that Hitler said this in 1928. The original quote was slightly longer than what has appeared in memes. At the same time, history showed that Hitler's National Socialist Movement later sought to destroy Christianity once in power. Citing evidence from the Nuremberg war-crime trials, The New York Times reported that, "the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a 'slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment' to eliminate Christianity."

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-our-movement-is-christian/

    broleaf [3140943]

    It wasn't worth the merit of even really deconstructing; it was insulting, and he obviously doesn't understand the concept of Christian brotherhood or sisterhood.
    Its always worth pointing out he has his facts wrong , each time I do it a fairy gets its wings .





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    Posted on 02:02:24 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    the boy who cried nazi nazi





    "Neo-Nazi" a interesting choice of word since it seems he does not like technocracy, and I saw no mention of socialism; if anything, he attacked that.

    I've already countered that attempt, but feel free to formulate an opposition counter.

    Helpful suggestion.


    You might want to look up the definition of what a Nazi is, then refrain from calling him that and instead reduce him to a racist, albeit even so, you'd struggle with that. Because then we could paint every woke person of color as a racist who utilizes systemic racism theory using synonymous logic in the context he brought up matters regarding whites.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I get it why you are trying to rebrand, but you are still too obvious.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there
    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity

    I'm just going to throw this out here: most of you leftists are used to attacking Christians, and they never fight back. Like one guy earlier this month made a thread in general about how he believed Jesus is god, and you people downvoted him for that alone, then began to ridicule and troll him.
    The thing is, you're not used to coming into contact with a more firebrand Christian like myself. You think you're owed something or some horse shit.



    evidence PS, this is why I got active on the forums.
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    Posted on 02:31:45 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    the boy who cried nazi nazi





    "Neo-Nazi" a interesting choice of word since it seems he does not like technocracy, and I saw no mention of socialism; if anything, he attacked that.

    I've already countered that attempt, but feel free to formulate an opposition counter.

    Helpful suggestion.


    You might want to look up the definition of what a Nazi is, then refrain from calling him that and instead reduce him to a racist, albeit even so, you'd struggle with that. Because then we could paint every woke person of color as a racist who utilizes systemic racism theory using synonymous logic in the context he brought up matters regarding whites.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I get it why you are trying to rebrand, but you are still too obvious.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there
    It was a response to me talking about how humans are animals, which is true.  How is this in support of Nazism?
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    Posted on 02:35:28 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    I get it why you are trying to rebrand, but you are still too obvious.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    It was a response to me talking about how humans are animals, which is true. How is this in support of Nazism?
    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    Notice the highlight, by the way; "muh" taken out of context.

    Don't pay him any attention; he's just an angry, mentally deranged person. he sees Nazis everywhere leftoid-schizoid.
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    I could get past “governments are mass importing 3rd world migrants”and calling Michelle Obama’s book “anti-white propaganda” and calling LGBTQ “destructive lifestyles” that’s all basic bigotry. Calling Internet of things a “globe spanning technocratic grid” is just plain stupidity, and worse stupidity trying to sound intelligent, someone TLDR the rest of the video please, not going to waste my time.

    broleaf [3140943]

    1 Yes, all those migrants who have flooded into Europe over the past decade have not caused crime and ****s to skyrocket. They totally are not a drain on society and government resources. Truly, we have the next wave of scientists. [1] [2] [3]

    2 Regarding Michelle Obama, she has brought up the concept of systemic racism on multiple occasions. A view, might I add, is seen as a made-up theory. To summarize, systemic racism goes somewhat like this: 'Look at how this non-white demographic is doing negatively in society in contrast to whites. We don't have evidence for why this is so, so we assume it's systemic racism.' It's as anti-academic as it gets, and ironically, it is racist in itself, sequentially for its reasoning of accusing whites of something without the aforementioned evidence. Sequentially, this makes her an anti-white bigot. [4]

    3 Referring to LGBTQ as 'destructive lifestyles' is a perspective from a Christian standpoint. We consider that entire umbrella group incompatible with our spiritual and traditional worldview. Thus, it sits in the contemporary context realm in parallel to us. And I'm more than willing to recycle and expand outward from that argument, from that theorem if one would like, just request. Unless you think the LGBTQ should be differentiated from the rest of the contemporary contextual non-spirituals. Supplementally, I'll even throw in a tidbit: multi-diverse ethos in a singular society has an atomizing effect on society. [5]

    4 Ah, yes, the Internet of Things, its acronym being IoT. I'm assuming you're not familiar with the terminology there. It's as technocratic as it gets, to be honest. Not sure what else to add, so I'll drop a research paper regarding its topic to showcase your ignorance.
    IoT and AI for Smart Government: A Research Agenda


    source table
    Economic migrants' crime effects [1]
    Foreign-born rapists in Sweden [2]
    Refugees overwhelming safety nets [3]
    Michelle Obama [4]
    The Downside of Diversity[5]

    Bracing for counter arguments of triggered, incoherent drivel, screams, and ad hominems.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    Social responsibility to accept refugees is one thing, but you are painting all migrants with the same bigoted brush. The video goes on to talk about how these migrants are less competent than white Americans(note not Americans in general). Yeah, neo-nazi written all over it.

    Systemic racism is real but I won't try to convince you because I suspect that's a lost cause

    LGBTQ is not a destructive lifestyle

    IoT refers to everyday devices connected to each other, like how you connect your phone to your front door, oven, or lights. It's as technocratic as a remote control

    broleaf [3140943]

    Social responsibility to accept refugees is one thing, but you are painting all migrants with the same bigoted brush. The video goes on to talk about how these migrants are less competent than white Americans(note not Americans in general). Yeah, neo-nazi written all over it.


    1 Rationally, in a contemporary context, explain why we should morally accept refugees due to some sort of social responsibility.


    Or is it just a "muh feels" feelings and a lack thereof of logic? I already presented sources saying it's harmful.

    2 The video utilizes statistics; I'm sorry, but the truth and reality don't fit your narrative. Furthermore, it showcases America's white population and how, despite the vast majority being white, they are a minority in the accepted hires in many corporations and government positions. If anything, it highlights anti-white racism occurring. Ironically, it inverts the concept of systemic racism.


    3 "Neo-Nazi" a interesting choice of word since it seems he does not like technocracy, and I saw no mention of socialism; if anything, he attacked that.




    Systemic racism is real but I won't try to convince you because I suspect that's a lost cause



    Feel free to use logic and evidence to prove it then. I have already argued that you can't, but I also pointed out that it's used only by people who are racist towards whites

    I see you, racist fistyboy, for what you are.



    LGBTQ is not a destructive lifestyle



    Firstly, Using the United States as an example, where 63% of the population identifies as Christian, a religion that is incompatible with LGBTQ lifestyles, explain how it isnt destructive for the society its a polarizing area thus sequentially harmful to said society at large. Secondly, explain how the suicide rates a derivative of the aforementioned umbrella, and as well please clarify how this is not inherently an observed factual destructive behavior.

    IoT refers to everyday devices connected to each other, like how you connect your phone to your front door, oven, or lights. It's as technocratic as a remote control


    excerpt of the source i provided "Smart government has been envisioned as an adaptive evolution of e-government, in response to rapid digital technological change, to innovate the ways the government can achieve better citizen engagement, accountability, and interoperability"

    Ironically, it seems you're committing a sunk cost fallacy at the moment, trying to double down on your ignorance of IoT and how it was utilized in the video.

    "how it was utilized in the video." context matters in philosophy.

    "meaning P ", "knowing that P ", "having a reason to A ", and possibly even "being true" or "being right" only have meaning relative to a specified context. It should be self-explanatory, by the way.


    You ask me why we should morally accept refugees and then you claim to be a Christian? But ok I understand the refugee argument, a wise man once said "If I had a bowl of Skittles and I told you just three would kill you, would you take a handful?" - Donald Trump Jr.

    The video claims that immigrants are not competent and only get jobs because of some government agenda, from my personal experience that is wrong, and claiming that all immigrants are incompetent is just dumb old-school racism.

    You're clearly good at using Google, if you still say systemic racism isn't real why should I bother with you?

    High suicide rates in the LGBTQ community are a result of their treatment by society, not their sexual orientation or gender, but you've probably already heard that before

    The video said "People are integrated into a globe-spanning technocratic grid some have called Internet of things" Internet of things is not a globe-spanning technocratic grid you moron
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    Posted on 02:52:36 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    "You ask me why we should morally accept refugees and then you claim to be a Christian? But ok I understand the refugee argument, a wise man once said "If I had a bowl of Skittles and I told you just three would kill you, would you take a handful?" - Donald Trump Jr."

    Another non-Christian who thinks we owe them anything. Also, your argument lacks any logical appeal, but I did present evidence logically that's negative in contrast.



    "The video claims that immigrants are not competent and only get jobs because of some government agenda, from my personal experience that is wrong, and claiming that all immigrants are incompetent is just dumb old-school racism."

    If you're going to quote the video, make sure it's correct word for word, with timestamp.
    Supplementally, that's essentially affirmative action in a nutshell, transitioning from a merit-based system to a "fill that diversity quota" approach. By the way, when leftists say we need more diversity in majority European Western countries, how is that not just a fancy dog whistle for fewer white people? Also, never say something like "muh personal experience" in a proper debate; it's anecdotal.

    "You're clearly good at using Google, if you still say systemic racism isn't real why should I bother with you?"

    So you admit you can't defend it? Yeah, I already knew that; water is also wet.


    "High suicide rates in the LGBTQ community are a result of their treatment by society, not their sexual orientation or gender, but you've probably already heard that before"

    Why is there a spike in post-op suicide then?


    "The video said "People are integrated into a globe-spanning technocratic grid some have called Internet of things" Internet of things is not a globe-spanning technocratic grid you moron"

    Go back and read the source I provided.
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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage.  But this takes away jobs from white people.  There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate.  I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful.  Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?
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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage. But this takes away jobs from white people. There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate. I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?
    You are a rare, non-corrupted human being.

    also this
    Are Affirmative Action Hires Less Qualified? Evidence from Employer-Employee Data on New Hires

    Didn't the video say "large corporations"?

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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage. But this takes away jobs from white people. There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate. I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?

    broleaf [3140943]

    You are a rare, non-corrupted human being.

    also this
    Are Affirmative Action Hires Less Qualified? Evidence from Employer-Employee Data on New Hires

    Didn't the video say "large corporations"?

    Can you show me the original document please?
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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage. But this takes away jobs from white people. There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate. I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?

    broleaf [3140943]

    You are a rare, non-corrupted human being.

    also this
    Are Affirmative Action Hires Less Qualified? Evidence from Employer-Employee Data on New Hires

    Didn't the video say "large corporations"?

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you show me the original document please?
    the green text is a hyper link

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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage. But this takes away jobs from white people. There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate. I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?

    broleaf [3140943]

    You are a rare, non-corrupted human being.

    also this
    Are Affirmative Action Hires Less Qualified? Evidence from Employer-Employee Data on New Hires

    Didn't the video say "large corporations"?

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you show me the original document please?

    broleaf [3140943]

    the green text is a hyper link
    Noooo I need to subscribe for the whole paper.  :(   And I don't have money.

    Edit: I should probably get a job
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    So historically it was easier for white men to get jobs than women and people of color, and this is starting to change with programs such s affirmative action to try to equalize the job market for the minorities, who were before at a disadvantage. But this takes away jobs from white people. There are only so many jobs needed in our society, so not everyone can get the job that they want, and some people can't get any jobs at all, which is really unfortunate. I do not see a good solution that would solve this problem and make everyone happy, and I think the only thing that could make things better is if more people like Elon Musk and create new jobs for people, but starting businesses is really hard and the ordinary person can't do it and be successful. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to potentially fix this problem?

    broleaf [3140943]

    You are a rare, non-corrupted human being.

    also this
    Are Affirmative Action Hires Less Qualified? Evidence from Employer-Employee Data on New Hires

    Didn't the video say "large corporations"?

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Can you show me the original document please?

    broleaf [3140943]

    the green text is a hyper link

    EverleighRaven [2949890]

    Noooo I need to subscribe for the whole paper. :( And I don't have money.

    Edit: I should probably get a job
    pdf

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    Posted on 04:28:35 - 01/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    "When we disaggregate our sample by establishment size, we find some evidence that in large establishments (over 100 workers) women and minorities hired under Affirmative Action are relatively less qualified and receive lower performance ratings than white men hired into similar firms. However, we do not attach too much importance to these results for a number of reasons:recent hires into these large establishments represent less than one-third of the total sample; for most demographic groups the results are reversed in small establishments (although the differentials are smaller); the relatively larger gap between women or minorities and white males in firms using Affirmative Action is driven by lower ratings of the latter in non-Affirmative Action firms, rather than lower ratings of the former in Affirmative Action firms; and, Affirmative Action does not appear to boost hiring of women or minorities in the large establishments in our data set."  This is the rest of the paragraph. 

    Also literally in the last sentence they wrote, "We interpret the data as indicating that, for the most part, Affirmative Action does not lead to the hiring of minorities or women with substantially lower qualifications or weaker job performance."

    Also btw is this legal? to read and quote a paper without paying for it? I do not want to get in trouble with the NBER for trying to win an argument online. Tho it was a very good paper with some very interesting and unexpected insights.
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    "When we disaggregate our sample by establishment size, we find some evidence that in large establishments (over 100 workers) women and minorities hired under Affirmative Action are relatively less qualified and receive lower performance ratings than white men hired into similar firms. However, we do not attach too much importance to these results for a number of reasons:recent hires into these large establishments represent less than one-third of the total sample; for most demographic groups the results are reversed in small establishments (although the differentials are smaller); the relatively larger gap between women or minorities and white males in firms using Affirmative Action is driven by lower ratings of the latter in non-Affirmative Action firms, rather than lower ratings of the former in Affirmative Action firms; and, Affirmative Action does not appear to boost hiring of women or minorities in the large establishments in our data set." This is the rest of the paragraph.

    Also literally in the last sentence they wrote, "We interpret the data as indicating that, for the most part, Affirmative Action does not lead to the hiring of minorities or women with substantially lower qualifications or weaker job performance."

    Also btw is this legal? to read and quote a paper without paying for it? I do not want to get in trouble with the NBER for trying to win an argument online. Tho it was a very good paper with some very interesting and unexpected insights.
    My theory, after reading the data, is that smaller companies hiring whites that have negative effects on performance, are most likely a indication of nepotism at play if I had to make a guess. Meanwhile, larger companies are better equipped to handle inefficiency resulting in larger groups of unqualified people of color.

    However, the original rebuttal was based on the idea that there aren't hordes of people of color who are unqualified taking jobs their not qualified for. According to the data, regarding large companies that does not seem to align with the perspective. It appears to support what some right-wing individuals have been pointing out, which may be inconvenient for some.

    muh cope xD

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    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    Steppenwulf [2960257]

    I'm going to have to assume that if Hitler actually said this, he was merely saying it to satisfy the Christian polity in German in 1928. By 1933 the Kirchenkampf (literally Church Struggle) had begun. Please educate youself about the persecution of the Church under Nazi Germany. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
    Most of the church supported him, like they did in Spain with Franco

    "The Nazi government ushered in key changes to the Protestant churches in Germany. First, the Nazi leadership supported the German Christian movement, a group of Protestants who wanted to combine Christianity and National Socialism into a movement “that would exclude all those deemed impure and embrace all ‘true Germans’ in a spiritual homeland for the Third Reich.”

    Second, the Nazi leadership urged Protestants to unite all regional churches into a national church under the centralized leadership of Ludwig Müller, a well-known pastor and Nazi Party member, who was appointed as Reich bishop. Many German Protestants embraced these changes. By supporting the German Christian movement and Müller, they could continue to practice their faith and at the same time show support for Hitler. In a national vote by Protestants taken in July 1933, the German Christians were supported by two-thirds of voters, and Müller won the national election to lead them."

    The German Christian movement made significant changes to German Protestantism to bring it in line with Nazi racial ideology. Instead of classifying people as Christians or Jews based on their faith, as the Protestants had always done, German Christians began to classify people by racial heritage, as the Nazis did. Therefore, church leaders whose parents or grandparents had converted from Judaism to Christianity were considered Jewish and, according to the 1933 civil service law, no longer officially permitted to serve in those positions. Although the state never enforced this law in the churches, some German Christians forced out non-Aryan clergy to show their commitment to the regime. By January of 1934, Müller was vowing to purge Protestant churches of all “Jewish influence,” including removing the Old Testament from their bible because it is based on the Hebrew bible. A public appeal released by German Christian leaders claimed that “the eternal God created for our nation a law that is peculiar to its own kind. It took shape in the Leader Adolf Hitler, and in the National Socialist state created by him. This law speaks to us from the history of our people. . . . It is loyalty to this law which demands of us the battle for honor and freedom . . . One Nation! One God! One Reich! One Church!"


    With the catholic church it was different, but they were a minority
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    broleaf [3140943]

    "You ask me why we should morally accept refugees and then you claim to be a Christian? But ok I understand the refugee argument, a wise man once said "If I had a bowl of Skittles and I told you just three would kill you, would you take a handful?" - Donald Trump Jr."

    Another non-Christian who thinks we owe them anything. Also, your argument lacks any logical appeal, but I did present evidence logically that's negative in contrast.



    "The video claims that immigrants are not competent and only get jobs because of some government agenda, from my personal experience that is wrong, and claiming that all immigrants are incompetent is just dumb old-school racism."

    If you're going to quote the video, make sure it's correct word for word, with timestamp.
    Supplementally, that's essentially affirmative action in a nutshell, transitioning from a merit-based system to a "fill that diversity quota" approach. By the way, when leftists say we need more diversity in majority European Western countries, how is that not just a fancy dog whistle for fewer white people? Also, never say something like "muh personal experience" in a proper debate; it's anecdotal.

    "You're clearly good at using Google, if you still say systemic racism isn't real why should I bother with you?"

    So you admit you can't defend it? Yeah, I already knew that; water is also wet.


    "High suicide rates in the LGBTQ community are a result of their treatment by society, not their sexual orientation or gender, but you've probably already heard that before"

    Why is there a spike in post-op suicide then?


    "The video said "People are integrated into a globe-spanning technocratic grid some have called Internet of things" Internet of things is not a globe-spanning technocratic grid you moron"

    Go back and read the source I provided.
    Quote me if you're replying to me, been catholic all my life so be careful how you make assumptions. So please explain how letting people suffer squares with your Christian ideals. Or are you only Christian as an excuse to be a bigot? Also, diversity doesn't mean fewer white people, it means a more diverse population the population of a single group doesn't have to change, just the percentage of that group in the total population.

    I've learned through many years here how to spot a conversation worth having, and your views on racism and LGBTQ are not worth the time and effort for me. I also don't need to read a research paper to know IoT isn't a grand technocratic initiative, funnily enough, you're the one bending over backward to defend some random shit in a youtube video... or is that you in the video?
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    Broleaf in every P&L Thread

    Be gay. Do crimes.

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    Capgros [2088627]

    I get it why you are trying to rebrand, but you are still too obvious.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there

    broleaf [3140943]

    Taken out of context. Wow, aren't you desperate? Lol.

    link to exact quote

    Feel free to join that conversation as well. We have been discussing how atheists can't conceptualize morality rationally since it would be illogical.
    Atheists absolutely can conceptualize morality. However we understand it is a social construct and is relative.

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    broleaf [3140943]

    Expand on that then. Why are you incapable of formulating an argument instead of making mere statements?

    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there

    broleaf [3140943]

    Taken out of context. Wow, aren't you desperate? Lol.

    link to exact quote

    Feel free to join that conversation as well. We have been discussing how atheists can't conceptualize morality rationally since it would be illogical.

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Atheists absolutely can conceptualize morality. However we understand it is a social construct and is relative.
    Yes, relative, as in subject to constant change with zero moral grounding. I agree.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    You obviously got my message, but pretend it's not clear.


    broleaf [3140943]

    Ah, so your argument is that if a Christian does not adhere to contemporary modernity, they are all neo-Nazis

    Yeah, I don't think that deserves a merit of response; it's offensive and beneath me. But I'm glad that's what I've reduced you to.

    Sorry, I missed this meme in your post earlier.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally believe in a neochristian monarchy, which could have as well a Hitler as fuhrer king

    Most Christians are not like you,. So this is about you, not about christianity


    to quote you from another thread:

    "Diversity for the sake of diversity isn't even a positive; it's illogical from an atheist perspective if we reduce them to animals. Why should the white human animal support some moral argument of competing with the black human animal in the shared society? Sounds illogical, especially trying to enforce such a conceptual ideal. Did you not argue that tribalism is a thing seems like you're conflicted; there's some illogical inconsistency?"

    That's right from the Neonazi book, that is just there

    broleaf [3140943]

    Taken out of context. Wow, aren't you desperate? Lol.

    link to exact quote

    Feel free to join that conversation as well. We have been discussing how atheists can't conceptualize morality rationally since it would be illogical.

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Atheists absolutely can conceptualize morality. However we understand it is a social construct and is relative.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Yes, relative, as in subject to constant change with zero moral grounding. I agree.
    Yes. Because there is no such thing as absolute morality. There is no universal moral code which determines what is "right" and what is "wrong".

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