EverleighRaven [2949890]

Just because something changes or stays the same over time, doesn't mean it is inherently better or worse than other systems..

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broleaf [3140943]

The point is that one has a moral foundation, while the other does not.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Christian and atheist morals are founded on different things, and under different circumstances.

broleaf [3140943]

They sprouted like seeds from us and our Christian values in the West. Then sequentially, they mutated off, creating chaos and atomization in their wake. Now, they have given birth to the rising Dark Enlightenment that will persecute and eliminate them. No one is under some sort of delusion that the far right is going to tolerate the different branches under the neo-contemporary umbrella. The far right will be as intolerant to them as they were to us if not worse.

What is right and wrong is irrelevant; there is only power.

The irony lies in the scenario where, as the Dark Enlightenment rises, the contemporary landscape shifts to an extreme in the polar direction, positioning Christianity as the new liberals on a diagram. However, I don't think it will be that extreme.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Why do you think that the far right is going to win? And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win? How would things change, in your opinion?

Edit: It would be interesting to see what happens when the Christians become the new liberals. Also, what would happen to the people who didn't want to convert?

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

broleaf [3140943]

The point is that one has a moral foundation, while the other does not.

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EverleighRaven [2949890]

Christian and atheist morals are founded on different things, and under different circumstances.

broleaf [3140943]

They sprouted like seeds from us and our Christian values in the West. Then sequentially, they mutated off, creating chaos and atomization in their wake. Now, they have given birth to the rising Dark Enlightenment that will persecute and eliminate them. No one is under some sort of delusion that the far right is going to tolerate the different branches under the neo-contemporary umbrella. The far right will be as intolerant to them as they were to us if not worse.

What is right and wrong is irrelevant; there is only power.

The irony lies in the scenario where, as the Dark Enlightenment rises, the contemporary landscape shifts to an extreme in the polar direction, positioning Christianity as the new liberals on a diagram. However, I don't think it will be that extreme.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Why do you think that the far right is going to win? And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win? How would things change, in your opinion?

Edit: It would be interesting to see what happens when the Christians become the new liberals. Also, what would happen to the people who didn't want to convert?

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Christian and atheist morals are founded on different things, and under different circumstances.

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broleaf [3140943]

They sprouted like seeds from us and our Christian values in the West. Then sequentially, they mutated off, creating chaos and atomization in their wake. Now, they have given birth to the rising Dark Enlightenment that will persecute and eliminate them. No one is under some sort of delusion that the far right is going to tolerate the different branches under the neo-contemporary umbrella. The far right will be as intolerant to them as they were to us if not worse.

What is right and wrong is irrelevant; there is only power.

The irony lies in the scenario where, as the Dark Enlightenment rises, the contemporary landscape shifts to an extreme in the polar direction, positioning Christianity as the new liberals on a diagram. However, I don't think it will be that extreme.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Why do you think that the far right is going to win? And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win? How would things change, in your opinion?

Edit: It would be interesting to see what happens when the Christians become the new liberals. Also, what would happen to the people who didn't want to convert?

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

broleaf [3140943]

They sprouted like seeds from us and our Christian values in the West. Then sequentially, they mutated off, creating chaos and atomization in their wake. Now, they have given birth to the rising Dark Enlightenment that will persecute and eliminate them. No one is under some sort of delusion that the far right is going to tolerate the different branches under the neo-contemporary umbrella. The far right will be as intolerant to them as they were to us if not worse.

What is right and wrong is irrelevant; there is only power.

The irony lies in the scenario where, as the Dark Enlightenment rises, the contemporary landscape shifts to an extreme in the polar direction, positioning Christianity as the new liberals on a diagram. However, I don't think it will be that extreme.

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EverleighRaven [2949890]

Why do you think that the far right is going to win? And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win? How would things change, in your opinion?

Edit: It would be interesting to see what happens when the Christians become the new liberals. Also, what would happen to the people who didn't want to convert?

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Why do you think that the far right is going to win? And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win? How would things change, in your opinion?

Edit: It would be interesting to see what happens when the Christians become the new liberals. Also, what would happen to the people who didn't want to convert?

Show post

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

broleaf [3140943]

Do I think they will win?
They already are.
And do you think it would be a good thing for society if they did win?
It'll be good for my side of the equation.
How would things change, in your opinion?
Socially, first and foremost.

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Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

Capgros [2088627]

Certainly, after all Christians always hooked up with Nazis the far right when they got the chance to get more power, so far for their "morals"

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broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

broleaf [3140943]

We like working with monarchies; that's the historic norm for us.

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EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

Which monarchies? Like the British monarchy?

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broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

broleaf [3140943]

All of our old Christian monarchies.

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Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

Capgros [2088627]

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco

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broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

broleaf [3140943]

Those are technocrats; I'm not for that.

Technocracy vs Monarchy

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Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

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broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

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Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

Capgros [2088627]

Dark enlightenment is a made up thing.

angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

Yes. Because there is no such thing as absolute morality. There is no universal moral code which determines what is "right" and what is "wrong".

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broleaf [3140943]

Yes, there is. If you go outside the contemporary context and base morality on tradition rooted in the past rather than the future, you have officially anchor yourself.

angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

If you go back far enough in the past, adult men married children as young as 12 years old. Is it morally "right" for an adult to marry a child? Moreover if you look at age of consent laws, they were as low as 7 years old in at least one state as recent as 1880.

broleaf [3140943]

Yeah, pretty sure most of us neo-reactionaries are not for pedophiles; that's more of a liberal thing as of late. Lastly, things might rhyme, but they will never be as they were.

angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

But that's my point though. Go back in time long enough and you'll find that marrying children was morally permissive whether as part of social norms or by means of necessity (as was the case if you go back really really really far).

Thus disproves the argument for absolute morals.

broleaf [3140943]

No, because we in Orthodoxy have had an unchanging singular set of ethics dating back prior to Constantine the Great, and as an Orthodox Christian, that's my position. In contrast to your non-existent moral foundation that will be based on who knows what moving forward. One thing is certain, and that is my side is consistent, and yours is the asymmetric opposite to us in that regard.

Capgros [2088627]

They are not that different, one leader, one nation.

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broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

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broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

Capgros [2088627]

Dark enlightenment is a made up thing.

broleaf [3140943]

Same with human rights.

broleaf [3140943]

Technocracy vs Monarchy

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Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

What types of people would be on the target list, if you know? I do not want to end up on their list and for them to come after me, so what can I do to keep that from happening?? Please help me, I am scared. Also, do they read internet forums? Should I delete some of my posts? broleaf please help me!!

Capgros [2088627]

Yeah, not correct though, regarding the ones I mentioned

1. Government led by a king or queen

Goes for both

2.

Goes for both

3.

Goes for both

4, irrelevant

The rest isn't even worthy, when you put an almighty leader in place, you are sooner or later in shit, even a good leader, might have a terrible son.

If you think, Nazis where a technocracy, you are insane, they embraced modern warfare tech, but kings did exactly the same, to hold power.

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broleaf [3140943]

I disagree, but it's a moot point to even argue because I'm 99 percent sure we're heading toward a reactionary technocracy with Christian tokenism in the years to come due to late-stage capitalism and the rising populist right.

Your side has only itself to blame for this, I'll also add.

Capgros [2088627]

Nah, I have actually more faith in humanity than you.

broleaf [3140943]

I don't find merit in your perspective. Your resemblance is akin to those engaging in the Palestine vs Israel discussions, marked by recycled arguments, suggesting a lack of critical thinking. Personally, I'm not worried about the emerging Dark Enlightenment, being a European Christian, as I'm not on its target list. In reality, I'm one of its beneficiaries. My only concern is for certain friends of mine who are not so fortunate.

EverleighRaven [2949890]

What types of people would be on the target list, if you know? I do not want to end up on their list and for them to come after me, so what can I do to keep that from happening?? Please help me, I am scared. Also, do they read internet forums? Should I delete some of my posts? broleaf please help me!!

broleaf [3140943]

You live in America; I'm sure you'd be fine, albeit that's only because I think America will balkanize.