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    Posted on 15:52:32 - 30/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Radicalism within the region cannot be truly contested as there are lots of outsiders intervention on addition to hatred spread through governing bodies of Palestinians and radical individuals within Israel.However,what people forget is that unlike in Gaza,Israel has democracy and soft heart for criminals.Deny the following all you want but lots of Hamas officials which are standing on the top of the military hand of Hamas were in Israeli jails and received good conditions,in my opinion way too good. Generations in Israel are free to do what they want,express their opinion and criticize their rulers,a country with such values is more peaceful than a leadership like Hamas which uses iron fist to silence it's people and treat them like objects.Critical thinking in democracy is supported,in dictatorships it's illegal.Critical thinking is the key for solving each dispute.
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    Posted on 06:03:46 - 04/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    I used to believe in and hope for the implementation of a two-state solution, but now I don't really view it as a possibility. The reality of the situation is this:

    1. Israel isn't going anywhere, and they have just as much a claim to the area as the "Palestinians" do, if not more so

    2. The Palestinian people in large have not yet accepted this, and they desire nothing but the destruction of Israel

    3. The Israelis are the only one who have been consistently at the negotiating table

    4. The modern Palestinian people have grown up in a barbaric culture, and I have no faith in the ability of any Palestinian leader to both desire a peaceful solution and to be capable of winning over the hearts and minds of the others.

    5. This means that nothing is going to change in this regard for at least the next 30 years

    6. If the Palestinian people laid down their guns, there would be no more war. If the Israelis did, there would be no more Israel.

    7. Therefor it seems logical to me that the best option is for Israel to forcibly establish a government which eventually oversees all of greater Israel.

    The Palestinian people are just going to have to learn to get along, and abandon their dream of Islamic supremacy in the levant

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    1. Israel isn't going anywhere
    2. The vast majority of Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution
    3. Israel, with America as the "unbiased mediator" beside them, have never negotiated in good faith
    4. the modern Palestinian people have grown up under military occupation and deprived of dignity
    5. Israel has to be pressured into making changes, or things will continue as they are
    6. If Palestinians laid down arms, they would remain subjugated. If Israel laid down arms, America will send more arms and even put boots on the ground if needed, but Palestinians might have better lives
    7. "our plan was always to annex all the occupied territories and damned be international law"
    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution?  Do you represent them?  Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf?  How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

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    Posted on 11:36:59 - 04/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?
    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.

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    Posted on 12:35:42 - 04/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Asbestos [2605613]

    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.
    What polling data is that?  Who or what organization is running around Gaza polling right now?

    This is all I can find and it’s not that good. Do you have something better?

    By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”
    An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”
    Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”

    A 58 percent majority support a “return to the armed intifada [terrorism] and confrontations,” while 41 percent oppose such a move.

    In short, Hamas’s leader receives substantially more support than Fatah’s President Abbas, but that reflects Abbas’s weakness more than Hamas’s strength. At the legislative level, with no candidates, only parties mentioned, the two large parties appear to be at parity.

    But Palestinians find great fault with both major parties.

    Their preferred leader is a convicted terrorist, and significant majorities of Palestinians support terrorism, with even larger numbers opposing both a two-state solution and one-state solution with equal rights for Jews and Arabs.

    Peace seems to require some fundamental changes in public attitudes.

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    Posted on 21:56:50 - 04/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Asbestos [2605613]

    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.
    Can you present this data of yours? because publicly available data support the opposite claim - the Palestinians were offered a deal in which a vast majority (91-98%) of their true claims* were accepted, and they refused it. link

    The propositions from the Israeli side kind of died out as a logical response to the fact the Palestinian elect leadership which wants to destroy Israel as its formal goal.

    *True claim are claim which are not only a pretense to destroy Israel as Jewish and democratic state, like the right of return.
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    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Posted on 22:30:51 - 04/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Halrian [3023326]

    Radicalism within the region cannot be truly contested as there are lots of outsiders intervention on addition to hatred spread through governing bodies of Palestinians and radical individuals within Israel.However,what people forget is that unlike in Gaza,Israel has democracy and soft heart for criminals.Deny the following all you want but lots of Hamas officials which are standing on the top of the military hand of Hamas were in Israeli jails and received good conditions,in my opinion way too good. Generations in Israel are free to do what they want,express their opinion and criticize their rulers,a country with such values is more peaceful than a leadership like Hamas which uses iron fist to silence it's people and treat them like objects.Critical thinking in democracy is supported,in dictatorships it's illegal.Critical thinking is the key for solving each dispute.
    I am gonna be honest with you there are so many problems that will come after this conflict is ended. Because even after Israel gives them any land they want the shit is still not over yet.

    First of all. If Palestine because a state Hamas must hand everything over to the new Palestine government which will be probably formed by Fatah/PLO. Well I don't think Hamas will do that and day your welcome. Hamas wants be the leader so does Fatah. Yea 2 armed groups in 1 country. Ask the saudanes how that ends up.

    But that is only the half of the problem. In the end the Arab states will try to get rid of Hamas and the same faith as Yemen is waiting for Palestinans. Well why Arab states will turn on Hamas you wonder. Look who are the biggest supporters of Hamas? Iran and thier proxy groups Hezbollah and Houthis. They support Hamas sp much that they fire rockets in Israel.

    About Houthis. Well many Hamas supporters say yes Houthis are heros they hijacked Israeli ships and fire rockets blabla. No they are not hero here Houthis they shown thier dirty side and that they are just a Iranian proxy army. Look in Yemen many children die everyday due to underfeeding and Saudi bombs. The situation in Yemen is alarming and even worst than Palestine. When Houthis fired Rockets on Israel they haven't even think a minute in what danger they put their people in that are already suffer if Israel wanted that could bomb Yemen too. That would be a hell for these people that already see how thier children die on the hospital beds. So how Houthis can look for a fight and act tuff while thier people suffer ? And then keep in mind that Palestinans have a much better living condition than Yemeni ? Look I don't say Palestinans have a perfect living conditions but better than Yemen. So it seems that Houthis care more about what Iran tell them to do then thier people who scream for help.


    Now back to why I think Arab states will try to get rid of Hamas and might even start a war against Hamas. all this support that Iran gives to Hamas is NOT free. There is no free on this world on the end you must pay your debts. So Iran wants something from Hamas. Iran Hezbollah and Houthis what there are ? They all are Shia and it seems that Iran and thier allies are trying to get thier Shia influence on east-Jerusalem and especially masjid Al Aqsa. So if Palestine because a state under the leadership of Hamas then it's for Hamas time to pay it's debts. So they will allow Iranian/Shia influence on Masjid Al Aqsa. I do strongly believe that Arab states especially Saudi Arabia aren't gonna be happy about it. So they might invade Palestine in ohter to bring Hamas down and bring Fatah to power.


    Well ofc Hamas can also choose to screw Iran by not allowing them in the end. But the guys from Iran are not stupid. They already have a plan b in case Hamas tries anything funny. Iran has also a good relationship with the communists. And in Gaza there is also a communist group. PFLP Iran might find this group to make Hamas pay for not paying it's debts. Because despite PFLP and Hamas work against Israel now they won't be friends forever. Hamas already started wars against Fatah because they found them too seculair. Well PFLP is even more seculair than Fatah. Keep also in mind that PFLP is based in Iran ally Syria so Iran has its plan rdy in case Hamas is thinking about not to pay it's debts.

    The biggest leaders of Hamas are located in Qatar and Qatar is already accused by Arab states of betrayal and Shakeing them hands with Shia to much. That's why Qatar faced sanctions and blockage from GCC.

    A two-state selution is possible but it's important to fix intern conflicts first and to have a unity representatieve for Palestine so that peace talks between Israel and Palestine can start now there Are in my opinion to many different groups with different ideas and even also armed.
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    Posted on 17:59:08 - 05/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Asbestos [2605613]

    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.

    Asbestos [2605613]

    What polling data is that? Who or what organization is running around Gaza polling right now?

    This is all I can find and it’s not that good. Do you have something better?

    By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”
    An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”
    Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”

    A 58 percent majority support a “return to the armed intifada [terrorism] and confrontations,” while 41 percent oppose such a move.

    In short, Hamas’s leader receives substantially more support than Fatah’s President Abbas, but that reflects Abbas’s weakness more than Hamas’s strength. At the legislative level, with no candidates, only parties mentioned, the two large parties appear to be at parity.

    But Palestinians find great fault with both major parties.

    Their preferred leader is a convicted terrorist, and significant majorities of Palestinians support terrorism, with even larger numbers opposing both a two-state solution and one-state solution with equal rights for Jews and Arabs.

    Peace seems to require some fundamental changes in public attitudes.
    Polling has been ongoing until October 6th. After that all we've seen are dead kids like that's normal.

    Here's polling data from 2006 following the elections that Hamas won, before Israel made life hell for Gazans.
    https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/results/index.html

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    Can you present this data of yours? because publicly available data support the opposite claim - the Palestinians were offered a deal in which a vast majority (91-98%) of their true claims* were accepted, and they refused it. link

    The propositions from the Israeli side kind of died out as a logical response to the fact the Palestinian elect leadership which wants to destroy Israel as its formal goal.

    *True claim are claim which are not only a pretense to destroy Israel as Jewish and democratic state, like the right of return.
    How does that logic reconcile with the fact that the Israeli government propped up Hamas precisely to avoid negotiations and kill the possibility of a Palestinian state?

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    Asbestos [2605613]

    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.

    Asbestos [2605613]

    What polling data is that? Who or what organization is running around Gaza polling right now?

    This is all I can find and it’s not that good. Do you have something better?

    By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”
    An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”
    Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”

    A 58 percent majority support a “return to the armed intifada [terrorism] and confrontations,” while 41 percent oppose such a move.

    In short, Hamas’s leader receives substantially more support than Fatah’s President Abbas, but that reflects Abbas’s weakness more than Hamas’s strength. At the legislative level, with no candidates, only parties mentioned, the two large parties appear to be at parity.

    But Palestinians find great fault with both major parties.

    Their preferred leader is a convicted terrorist, and significant majorities of Palestinians support terrorism, with even larger numbers opposing both a two-state solution and one-state solution with equal rights for Jews and Arabs.

    Peace seems to require some fundamental changes in public attitudes.

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Polling has been ongoing until October 6th. After that all we've seen are dead kids like that's normal.

    Here's polling data from 2006 following the elections that Hamas won, before Israel made life hell for Gazans.
    https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/results/index.html
    Is that 2006 poll your “polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited”?

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    Is that 2006 poll your “polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited”?
    That was before they went under siege. Every poll taken before and after aggression against Palestinians by Israel shows the attacks reduce the confidence in the peace process. Your buddy Netanyahu knows this very well.

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    Posted on 13:52:10 - 06/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    The poll I found shows exactly the opposite of yours. That there is no interest in a one or two state solution.

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    Can you present this data of yours? because publicly available data support the opposite claim - the Palestinians were offered a deal in which a vast majority (91-98%) of their true claims* were accepted, and they refused it. link

    The propositions from the Israeli side kind of died out as a logical response to the fact the Palestinian elect leadership which wants to destroy Israel as its formal goal.

    *True claim are claim which are not only a pretense to destroy Israel as Jewish and democratic state, like the right of return.

    Sidgar [1828507]

    How does that logic reconcile with the fact that the Israeli government propped up Hamas precisely to avoid negotiations and kill the possibility of a Palestinian state?
    I specifically talked about the time before the Palestinians elected Hamas.
    Naturally, when it is was revealed that the Palestinians only wants to destroy Israel and do not wants a state Israel strategy changed.

    P.S - You describe a situation that Israel respects the free will of the Palestinian people. Why do you describe it as a negative act?

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Asbestos [2605613]

    #2: Which Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution? Do you represent them? Are you able to bargain with the world on their behalf? How will you resolve the religious issues with respect to religious texts proclaiming ownership of the region?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Based on polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited, Palestinians do favor a peaceful solution instead of endless violence. Deal with it.

    Asbestos [2605613]

    What polling data is that? Who or what organization is running around Gaza polling right now?

    This is all I can find and it’s not that good. Do you have something better?

    By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”
    An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”
    Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”

    A 58 percent majority support a “return to the armed intifada [terrorism] and confrontations,” while 41 percent oppose such a move.

    In short, Hamas’s leader receives substantially more support than Fatah’s President Abbas, but that reflects Abbas’s weakness more than Hamas’s strength. At the legislative level, with no candidates, only parties mentioned, the two large parties appear to be at parity.

    But Palestinians find great fault with both major parties.

    Their preferred leader is a convicted terrorist, and significant majorities of Palestinians support terrorism, with even larger numbers opposing both a two-state solution and one-state solution with equal rights for Jews and Arabs.

    Peace seems to require some fundamental changes in public attitudes.

    Sidgar [1828507]

    Polling has been ongoing until October 6th. After that all we've seen are dead kids like that's normal.

    Here's polling data from 2006 following the elections that Hamas won, before Israel made life hell for Gazans.
    https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/results/index.html
    Either they didn't know that the Hamas Charter specifically called for armed conflict to drive out Israel, or the "peace agreement" they were voting for was one in which Israel peacefully evacuates the Holy Land.  Or, maybe they were deliberately lying to boost their propaganda, so that Hamas apologists and supporters could point to this poll 20 years later and say, "See?  They want peace!"

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    Either they didn't know that the Hamas Charter specifically called for armed conflict to drive out Israel, or the "peace agreement" they were voting for was one in which Israel peacefully evacuates the Holy Land. Or, maybe they were deliberately lying to boost their propaganda, so that Hamas apologists and supporters could point to this poll 20 years later and say, "See? They want peace!"

    That's how everyone would see it, if everyone had only one brain cell to work with. My advice? Don't take people for idiots.

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    Is that 2006 poll your “polling data that is publicly available and frequently cited”?

    Sidgar [1828507]

    That was before they went under siege. Every poll taken before and after aggression against Palestinians by Israel shows the attacks reduce the confidence in the peace process. Your buddy Netanyahu knows this very well.
    So you are saying that Israeli aggression toward Palestine pushed Palestinian sentiment away from peace?

    Could it also be possible that Palestinian intifadas, suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and categorical rejection of peace negotiations pushed Israeli sentiment away from peace at around the same time, and toward electing Netanyahu because he promised to protect them?
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    Either they didn't know that the Hamas Charter specifically called for armed conflict to drive out Israel, or the "peace agreement" they were voting for was one in which Israel peacefully evacuates the Holy Land. Or, maybe they were deliberately lying to boost their propaganda, so that Hamas apologists and supporters could point to this poll 20 years later and say, "See? They want peace!"

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    That's how everyone would see it, if everyone had only one brain cell to work with. My advice? Don't take people for idiots.
    OK, how do you explain the discrepancy between the two polls I screenshot?
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    Posted on 14:53:30 - 07/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Everyone are angry.There is gonna be no change in any leadership stance.The Rabin assasination showed one thing,radicals on every side are ruining everything.It was just the result,plots were planned against Palestinian counterpart who negotiated with Rabin,Yasser Arafat. Israel,as a democracy,has no absolute control over it's population so even if an insane government rises, it would eventually fall in elections as it's people would impeach it once they see it as a failure. Violence causes more violence, war and crisises creates radicals,thats been proven so many times already.Israel future is determined by it's residents,that's the perk of it's democracy,that's how people like Rabin rose to power.Yet,in areas controlled by rulers who are in total control,the fate of their residents is up to them alone as they hold their power using iron fist.
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    So you are saying that Israeli aggression toward Palestine pushed Palestinian sentiment away from peace?

    Could it also be possible that Palestinian intifadas, suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and categorical rejection of peace negotiations pushed Israeli sentiment away from peace at around the same time, and toward electing Netanyahu because he promised to protect them?
    That's the amazing narrative of the colonizer adopting a victimhood mentality in order to justice to themselves what they do. We've seen it already in past instances of European powers colonizing lands in Africa and Asia. Somehow they always claim the moral high ground against the people living under their boots and struggling to free themselves. And yes, every major Israeli military aggression against Palestinians is followed by an increase in support for armed struggle. Kinda obvious too.

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    Posted on 16:59:53 - 08/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Vernunzio [730674]

    So you are saying that Israeli aggression toward Palestine pushed Palestinian sentiment away from peace?

    Could it also be possible that Palestinian intifadas, suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and categorical rejection of peace negotiations pushed Israeli sentiment away from peace at around the same time, and toward electing Netanyahu because he promised to protect them?

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    That's the amazing narrative of the colonizer adopting a victimhood mentality in order to justice to themselves what they do. We've seen it already in past instances of European powers colonizing lands in Africa and Asia. Somehow they always claim the moral high ground against the people living under their boots and struggling to free themselves. And yes, every major Israeli military aggression against Palestinians is followed by an increase in support for armed struggle. Kinda obvious too.
    Why do you deny Palestinian agency?
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    Posted on 17:20:45 - 08/12/23 (2 months ago)
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    Well the original account is banned (which was deserved as apparently he was kind of toxic, but kind of sucks since I want to follow up on this), but honestly I view this as being a perfect example of the ideal vs the real. Ideally, yes, a two state solution, where Palestinians and Israelis can live in harmony, free from violence, is obviously the desirable outcome. But I don't view this as being a possibility. The only way I can see this ever happening is through a reeducation program, which obviously isn't desirable either. How do you bridge the gap between the differences of the Palestinians and Israelis, when both people have hatred against the other side due to generations of atrocities? 

    If I, someone who has lived in a country free from violence, am still bitter at the Russians for the death of my great-grandfather, I can only imagine how Israelis and the Palestinians must feel towards one another.

    It's unfortunate that Palestinian leadership has so often been the primary source of agony for the Palestinian people, but I'm hopeful that following the conclusion of this war, a better dynamic will emerge.

    Probably drunk and trolling 

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