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    Yes, Geert Wilders, the alt-right populist, indeed won, forcing the center to compromise on their principles. Next are AfD and Le Pen

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    Oh god, you think geert wilders and le pen are alt-right. You have NO IDEA what far-right is. These guys ARE the center. You want to know what far-right is? Look at golden dawn in greece. Look at brazil's integralists. Your political perception is completely skewed to the left even if you don't side with them.
    Do you have any clue about Le Pen's father? Have you not heard about the arrests in the AfD? I honestly love you little apologists; you serve our purpose.

    How do you do fellow normies.

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    Do you have any clue about Le Pen's father? Have you not heard about the arrests in the AfD? I honestly love you little apologists; you serve our purpose.

    How do you do fellow normies.

    Le pen is not her father. A party is not a monolith. Get your head out of your ass.
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    Do you have any clue about Le Pen's father? Have you not heard about the arrests in the AfD? I honestly love you little apologists; you serve our purpose.

    How do you do fellow normies.

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    Le pen is not her father. A party is not a monolith. Get your head out of your ass.
    Yeah, if someone did the things the state did to my dad, I totally wouldn't be secretly holding a grudge.

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    Posted on 00:18:24 - 27/11/23 (3 months ago)
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    A two state solution will not work without widespread normalisation of relations with israel in the middle east and the complete opposition to terrorist groups like hezbollah, houthis and hamas. There will have to be a UN buffer zone and guaranteed freedom of movement throughout the israel palestine region. Furthermore, israel will have to apologise for the bombing of hospitals and refugee camps and palestine will have to apologise for the destruction of religious buildings such as the tomb of Joshua. 

    Even then, peace is unlikely but we may get closer to a more peaceful solution to the conflics
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    Posted on 03:08:26 - 27/11/23 (3 months ago)
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    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

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    Posted on 04:53:15 - 27/11/23 (3 months ago)
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    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.
    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Posted on 09:50:19 - 27/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Easy to understand, Hard to solve.
    Each side wants all the country to themselves.

    Each side will try to show you why they have a higher claim to the land and justify their actions.

    I'm hoping they will solve it, and I hope there will not be more casualties, but that's the sad truth.
    They just cant get along.

    Palestinians will tell you that they lived in the country before the Jews arrived, that they are now living 2 million people in a small city (Gaza)
    they will tell you that they dont have freedom, if they leave gaza they can not return. They are living in an awful state, and I am personally very sad for them.

    Israelites will tell you that they want to live with Palestinians in peace but wanting something doesn't mean it can happen
    History shows that Jews can't live in peace with other religions, eventually and sadly, another holocaust will happen.
    They couldn't live in peace in Germany, in Spain, in Russia, in arab countries, why do you think they can live in peace in a Palestinian state?

    and even if they will split the country in two, eventually a war will start again, since one of the sides will say they have claim to the land.

    So both sides are right, But at the same time, both sides are also wrong.

    Like I said easy to understand, Hard to solve.
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    Posted on 11:47:20 - 27/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.
    Are you joking? PLO chose to recognize Israel in hopes of a Palestinian state but Israel has been devouring the west bank for decades with no intention of stopping. And Netanyahu has been doing everything to kill the possibility of a Palestinian state. Their plans to annex all occupied territories, as well as the use of clear genocidal language, are expressed publicly. Maybe if you diversified your news sources you might hear Israeli leaders say some surprising things.

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    Posted on 15:21:25 - 27/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Sidgar [1828507]

    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.
    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir
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    Posted on 22:37:22 - 27/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Sidgar [1828507]

    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir
    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.
    Last edited by deadalus29 on 23:21:23 - 27/11/23

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Posted on 00:27:28 - 28/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    It might be time to let go of the whole "poor innocent and oppressed palestinians yearning for freedom from hamas tyranny" narrative.
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    Posted on 12:28:19 - 28/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Sidgar [1828507]

    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.
    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
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    Posted on 16:53:05 - 28/11/23 (2 months ago)
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    Sidgar [1828507]

    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.

    Markland [1385260]

    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    I thought I was clear about it in the first place, but obviously i need to repeat it:
    -->Before<-- Hamas got elected Israel supported the two state solution (that is including current PM netanyahu).
    -->After<-- Hamas got elected it was clear to Israel that the Palestinians do not want a state (if it come along with Israel) and they naturally stopped going in that direction.
    Your interview is from this year, way after it was clear that the Palestinian do not want a state, so it is not relevant.
    My interview was when The existence of Hamas in power was relatively new, and Israel still supported the two state solution.


    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    Nope. Again, you are Lying, as lies is the only thing left for Palestine supporters to do.
    1) Settlers do not force of and murder Palestinians from their.
    2) The last offer Israel made to the Palestinians was for more than 90% of the land under dispute will be in Palestine, that is patchwork of tiny islands of Israel surrounded by Palestine land. That is the other way around than your false description. Here is an article about what really happen

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    Again, more lies. As far as we* can tell none of the Palestinian civilian casualties were murdered. They were killed in combat.
    In contrast, All the dead Israeli civilians were murdered.
    *we == any unimpaired adult who is not a Jew hater.
    Last edited by deadalus29 on 17:06:23 - 28/11/23

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Sidgar [1828507]

    If an Israeli leader so much as joked about it his political career would be dead and perhaps more than that.

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.

    Markland [1385260]

    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    I thought I was clear about it in the first place, but obviously i need to repeat it:
    -->Before<-- Hamas got elected Israel supported the two state solution (that is including current PM netanyahu).
    -->After<-- Hamas got elected it was clear to Israel that the Palestinians do not want a state (if it come along with Israel) and they naturally stopped going in that direction.
    Your interview is from this year, way after it was clear that the Palestinian do not want a state, so it is not relevant.
    My interview was when The existence of Hamas in power was relatively new, and Israel still supported the two state solution.


    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    Nope. Again, you are Lying, as lies is the only thing left for Palestine supporters to do.
    1) Settlers do not force of and murder Palestinians from their.
    2) The last offer Israel made to the Palestinians was for more than 90% of the land under dispute will be in Palestine, that is patchwork of tiny islands of Israel surrounded by Palestine land. That is the other way around than your false description. Here is an article about what really happen

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    Again, more lies. As far as we* can tell none of the Palestinian civilian casualties were murdered. They were killed in combat.
    In contrast, All the dead Israeli civilians were murdered.
    *we == any unimpaired adult who is not a Jew hater.
    Here we go, everyone that dares criticise Israel is a jew hater

    I love the bit about the 5,000+ children murdered in Gaza by the Israelies were killed in combat

    So can you tell me how many of the babies killed in Gaza were holding AK47's or any other form of weapon?

    As for the garbage about settlers are not murdering Palestinians in the West Bank, so President Macron of France got it wrong?

    Joe Biden got it wrong?

    Your "nothing to see here" act is quite vile

    Your excuses and lies in relation to the atrocities the Israelis are committing makes you as complicit in those state sponsored murders of innocents as much as those who support Hamas

    You are simply the other side of the same coin and a part of the problem
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    Again, the Palestine supporters have only lies as their argument.

    The fact is Israeli leaders (including current PM Netanyahu) have openly supported two state solution and acted accordingly (implemented Oslo accords).

    They only stopped supporting this solution after the Palestinian population voted for Hamas in 2006 GE, thus voting for total war against Israel and against the two state solution.

    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.

    Markland [1385260]

    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    I thought I was clear about it in the first place, but obviously i need to repeat it:
    -->Before<-- Hamas got elected Israel supported the two state solution (that is including current PM netanyahu).
    -->After<-- Hamas got elected it was clear to Israel that the Palestinians do not want a state (if it come along with Israel) and they naturally stopped going in that direction.
    Your interview is from this year, way after it was clear that the Palestinian do not want a state, so it is not relevant.
    My interview was when The existence of Hamas in power was relatively new, and Israel still supported the two state solution.


    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    Nope. Again, you are Lying, as lies is the only thing left for Palestine supporters to do.
    1) Settlers do not force of and murder Palestinians from their.
    2) The last offer Israel made to the Palestinians was for more than 90% of the land under dispute will be in Palestine, that is patchwork of tiny islands of Israel surrounded by Palestine land. That is the other way around than your false description. Here is an article about what really happen

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    Again, more lies. As far as we* can tell none of the Palestinian civilian casualties were murdered. They were killed in combat.
    In contrast, All the dead Israeli civilians were murdered.
    *we == any unimpaired adult who is not a Jew hater.

    Markland [1385260]

    Here we go, everyone that dares criticise Israel is a jew hater

    I love the bit about the 5,000+ children murdered in Gaza by the Israelies were killed in combat

    So can you tell me how many of the babies killed in Gaza were holding AK47's or any other form of weapon?

    As for the garbage about settlers are not murdering Palestinians in the West Bank, so President Macron of France got it wrong?

    Joe Biden got it wrong?

    Your "nothing to see here" act is quite vile

    Your excuses and lies in relation to the atrocities the Israelis are committing makes you as complicit in those state sponsored murders of innocents as much as those who support Hamas

    You are simply the other side of the same coin and a part of the problem
    Nope.
    Criticism of Israel is not Jew hating.
    Abolishing of simple logic and reason just to criticize Israel is in fact Jew hating.

    Claiming that combat in domestic area should result in zero civilian death is against all known reason, and a criticism based on this ridiculous lie is not a valid criticism, but an example of Jew hating.

    Murders of Palestinians by settlers are extremely rare, Israel fights it and it doesnt drive Palestinians from their homes.
    Again, Expecting that a population will show zero murder rate is against all known reason, so criticize Israel for the very few murders which happens is not a valid criticism but an example of Jew hating

    Any more examples you want to share?

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    Markland [1385260]

    You Sir, are a buffoon

    Bibi has never been in favour of a two state solution

    He has always been rabidly against it and his ideology has been to pack the West Bank with settlers in order to make a two state solution impossible

    He openly speaks of "arabs having to accept the reality on the ground"

    Hamas was only formed in the early 80's and when people voted for them decades ago, it was as a protest against the corrupt and inept PLO

    Hamas then took over Gaza by force, expelling all PLO politicians

    Thats how they have maintained control, at the point of a gun

    Most Palestinians dont like them, dont want them and want rid of them

    A bit like many Israelis dont like Bibi or his convicted terrorist minister Gvir

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.

    Markland [1385260]

    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    I thought I was clear about it in the first place, but obviously i need to repeat it:
    -->Before<-- Hamas got elected Israel supported the two state solution (that is including current PM netanyahu).
    -->After<-- Hamas got elected it was clear to Israel that the Palestinians do not want a state (if it come along with Israel) and they naturally stopped going in that direction.
    Your interview is from this year, way after it was clear that the Palestinian do not want a state, so it is not relevant.
    My interview was when The existence of Hamas in power was relatively new, and Israel still supported the two state solution.


    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    Nope. Again, you are Lying, as lies is the only thing left for Palestine supporters to do.
    1) Settlers do not force of and murder Palestinians from their.
    2) The last offer Israel made to the Palestinians was for more than 90% of the land under dispute will be in Palestine, that is patchwork of tiny islands of Israel surrounded by Palestine land. That is the other way around than your false description. Here is an article about what really happen

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    Again, more lies. As far as we* can tell none of the Palestinian civilian casualties were murdered. They were killed in combat.
    In contrast, All the dead Israeli civilians were murdered.
    *we == any unimpaired adult who is not a Jew hater.

    Markland [1385260]

    Here we go, everyone that dares criticise Israel is a jew hater

    I love the bit about the 5,000+ children murdered in Gaza by the Israelies were killed in combat

    So can you tell me how many of the babies killed in Gaza were holding AK47's or any other form of weapon?

    As for the garbage about settlers are not murdering Palestinians in the West Bank, so President Macron of France got it wrong?

    Joe Biden got it wrong?

    Your "nothing to see here" act is quite vile

    Your excuses and lies in relation to the atrocities the Israelis are committing makes you as complicit in those state sponsored murders of innocents as much as those who support Hamas

    You are simply the other side of the same coin and a part of the problem

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope.
    Criticism of Israel is not Jew hating.
    Abolishing of simple logic and reason just to criticize Israel is in fact Jew hating.

    Claiming that combat in domestic area should result in zero civilian death is against all known reason, and a criticism based on this ridiculous lie is not a valid criticism, but an example of Jew hating.

    Murders of Palestinians by settlers are extremely rare, Israel fights it and it doesnt drive Palestinians from their homes.
    Again, Expecting that a population will show zero murder rate is against all known reason, so criticize Israel for the very few murders which happens is not a valid criticism but an example of Jew hating

    Any more examples you want to share?
    You are absolutely deranged

    There has been nearly 200 Palestinians murdered in the West Bank by settlers and the IDF since October 7th!

    This is an Israeli human rights group:

    https://www.btselem.org/

    Go read up on that from people who are actually there and know what they are talking about

    And your sick, twisted logic simply brands everyone a jew hater that criticises the Israeli regime, which, as mentioned previously has a minister convicted of racism and terrorism! Gvir!

    There's no lack of logic here, the list of groups, governments, human rights organisations and lawyers, Including the UN, have been pointing out breaches of human rights, including detention without trial, collective punishment and other war crimes for years

    But hey you keep waving that jew hater anti semite false flag you love so much

    And ignore people who really do know whats going on like the Israelis in B'Tselem
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    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope. Those are again bunch of stupid lies (that is, a non stupid adult should not believe them for more than 1 minute).
    I'm seeing that you are having difficulties, so let me help you:
    1) A quick google search would have lead you to this article, which proves that Bibi was in favor of the two state solution, as I stated.
    2) Embarrassing even more (for you) is the fact that an unimpaired adult should have come to that conclusion without any new information, just based on his logic and general knowledge: Israel could have topple the Palestinian government in less than a year + Netanyahu rules Israel for ~10 years + the Palestinian government still exist ==> Netanyahu accepts the two states solution.
    Easy.

    We can have a long and interesting discussion about the reasons that led the Palestinians to elect the Hamas in 2006 GE, but luckily, we dont have to. It is entirely an internal Palestinian affair.
    We should, however, held the Palestinian people accountable for their free and independent choices, as any other free nation held accountable for its choices.
    Hamas got elected while clearly promising the Palestinian people blood, tears and theocracy, and they deliver just that.

    Markland [1385260]

    You need to get your head out of your ass and go listen to this interview

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/middleeast/netanyahu-palestinian-sovereignty-mime-intl/index.html

    Bibi is a canny politician and has been packing the West Bank with settlers illegally for years whilst denying Palestinians, on land they own, building permits of any kind

    He then earlier this year came out with the comment about Palestinians having to accept the reality on the ground

    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    A Palestinian state under Bibi would be small patches of land with Israel responsible for "security" under a convicted terrorist and racist minister like Gvir

    I note your comment on your forum profile

    Here's one you might want to consider

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    I thought I was clear about it in the first place, but obviously i need to repeat it:
    -->Before<-- Hamas got elected Israel supported the two state solution (that is including current PM netanyahu).
    -->After<-- Hamas got elected it was clear to Israel that the Palestinians do not want a state (if it come along with Israel) and they naturally stopped going in that direction.
    Your interview is from this year, way after it was clear that the Palestinian do not want a state, so it is not relevant.
    My interview was when The existence of Hamas in power was relatively new, and Israel still supported the two state solution.


    The settlers hold so much land in the West Bank, and continue to force of and murder Palestinians from their own, that Palestine would consist of a patchwork of tiny islands of land surrounded by settlers

    Nope. Again, you are Lying, as lies is the only thing left for Palestine supporters to do.
    1) Settlers do not force of and murder Palestinians from their.
    2) The last offer Israel made to the Palestinians was for more than 90% of the land under dispute will be in Palestine, that is patchwork of tiny islands of Israel surrounded by Palestine land. That is the other way around than your false description. Here is an article about what really happen

    If you support the current Israeli government you support those responsible for the murder of 5,000+ children in Gaza since October 7th
    Again, more lies. As far as we* can tell none of the Palestinian civilian casualties were murdered. They were killed in combat.
    In contrast, All the dead Israeli civilians were murdered.
    *we == any unimpaired adult who is not a Jew hater.

    Markland [1385260]

    Here we go, everyone that dares criticise Israel is a jew hater

    I love the bit about the 5,000+ children murdered in Gaza by the Israelies were killed in combat

    So can you tell me how many of the babies killed in Gaza were holding AK47's or any other form of weapon?

    As for the garbage about settlers are not murdering Palestinians in the West Bank, so President Macron of France got it wrong?

    Joe Biden got it wrong?

    Your "nothing to see here" act is quite vile

    Your excuses and lies in relation to the atrocities the Israelis are committing makes you as complicit in those state sponsored murders of innocents as much as those who support Hamas

    You are simply the other side of the same coin and a part of the problem

    deadalus29 [2536273]

    Nope.
    Criticism of Israel is not Jew hating.
    Abolishing of simple logic and reason just to criticize Israel is in fact Jew hating.

    Claiming that combat in domestic area should result in zero civilian death is against all known reason, and a criticism based on this ridiculous lie is not a valid criticism, but an example of Jew hating.

    Murders of Palestinians by settlers are extremely rare, Israel fights it and it doesnt drive Palestinians from their homes.
    Again, Expecting that a population will show zero murder rate is against all known reason, so criticize Israel for the very few murders which happens is not a valid criticism but an example of Jew hating

    Any more examples you want to share?

    Markland [1385260]

    You are absolutely deranged

    There has been nearly 200 Palestinians murdered in the West Bank by settlers and the IDF since October 7th!

    This is an Israeli human rights group:

    https://www.btselem.org/

    Go read up on that from people who are actually there and know what they are talking about

    And your sick, twisted logic simply brands everyone a jew hater that criticises the Israeli regime, which, as mentioned previously has a minister convicted of racism and terrorism! Gvir!

    There's no lack of logic here, the list of groups, governments, human rights organisations and lawyers, Including the UN, have been pointing out breaches of human rights, including detention without trial, collective punishment and other war crimes for years

    But hey you keep waving that jew hater anti semite false flag you love so much

    And ignore people who really do know whats going on like the Israelis in B'Tselem
    Were they "murdered" like the civilians in Gaza that you also claim that were "murdered"? because if so, it does not count as murder...

    I could not find any reference to Palestinian murdered in west bank since Hamas initiated this war, but I do acknowledge the fact that the war in will mask less severe incidents in the west bank. Still, if you want to talk about specific case you will need to present it...

    Your own source does not have claims of murders (that is, beside the Palestinians murdering innocent civilians) in his front page, you will have to be more specific.

    Again, nope. My logic would not brand everyone as a Jew hater, only those who abolish reasoning to attack Jews. If a person or organization will prove his claims then they will not be branded as Jew haters.

    Hamas (Palestine's leaders) intentionally murder children and elderly for fun.
    If you support Palestine you also support intentional murder of children and elderly.
    Its that simple.

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    I used to believe in and hope for the implementation of a two-state solution, but now I don't really view it as a possibility. The reality of the situation is this:

    1. Israel isn't going anywhere, and they have just as much a claim to the area as the "Palestinians" do, if not more so

    2. The Palestinian people in large have not yet accepted this, and they desire nothing but the destruction of Israel

    3. The Israelis are the only one who have been consistently at the negotiating table

    4. The modern Palestinian people have grown up in a barbaric culture, and I have no faith in the ability of any Palestinian leader to both desire a peaceful solution and to be capable of winning over the hearts and minds of the others.

    5. This means that nothing is going to change in this regard for at least the next 30 years

    6. If the Palestinian people laid down their guns, there would be no more war. If the Israelis did, there would be no more Israel.

    7. Therefor it seems logical to me that the best option is for Israel to forcibly establish a government which eventually oversees all of greater Israel.

    The Palestinian people are just going to have to learn to get along, and abandon their dream of Islamic supremacy in the levant
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    Madgod [1733719]

    I used to believe in and hope for the implementation of a two-state solution, but now I don't really view it as a possibility. The reality of the situation is this:

    1. Israel isn't going anywhere, and they have just as much a claim to the area as the "Palestinians" do, if not more so

    2. The Palestinian people in large have not yet accepted this, and they desire nothing but the destruction of Israel

    3. The Israelis are the only one who have been consistently at the negotiating table

    4. The modern Palestinian people have grown up in a barbaric culture, and I have no faith in the ability of any Palestinian leader to both desire a peaceful solution and to be capable of winning over the hearts and minds of the others.

    5. This means that nothing is going to change in this regard for at least the next 30 years

    6. If the Palestinian people laid down their guns, there would be no more war. If the Israelis did, there would be no more Israel.

    7. Therefor it seems logical to me that the best option is for Israel to forcibly establish a government which eventually oversees all of greater Israel.

    The Palestinian people are just going to have to learn to get along, and abandon their dream of Islamic supremacy in the levant
    1. Israel isn't going anywhere
    2. The vast majority of Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution
    3. Israel, with America as the "unbiased mediator" beside them, have never negotiated in good faith
    4. the modern Palestinian people have grown up under military occupation and deprived of dignity
    5. Israel has to be pressured into making changes, or things will continue as they are
    6. If Palestinians laid down arms, they would remain subjugated. If Israel laid down arms, America will send more arms and even put boots on the ground if needed, but Palestinians might have better lives
    7. "our plan was always to annex all the occupied territories and damned be international law"

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    Madgod [1733719]

    I used to believe in and hope for the implementation of a two-state solution, but now I don't really view it as a possibility. The reality of the situation is this:

    1. Israel isn't going anywhere, and they have just as much a claim to the area as the "Palestinians" do, if not more so

    2. The Palestinian people in large have not yet accepted this, and they desire nothing but the destruction of Israel

    3. The Israelis are the only one who have been consistently at the negotiating table

    4. The modern Palestinian people have grown up in a barbaric culture, and I have no faith in the ability of any Palestinian leader to both desire a peaceful solution and to be capable of winning over the hearts and minds of the others.

    5. This means that nothing is going to change in this regard for at least the next 30 years

    6. If the Palestinian people laid down their guns, there would be no more war. If the Israelis did, there would be no more Israel.

    7. Therefor it seems logical to me that the best option is for Israel to forcibly establish a government which eventually oversees all of greater Israel.

    The Palestinian people are just going to have to learn to get along, and abandon their dream of Islamic supremacy in the levant

    Sidgar [1828507]

    1. Israel isn't going anywhere
    2. The vast majority of Palestinians accept this and favor a peaceful solution
    3. Israel, with America as the "unbiased mediator" beside them, have never negotiated in good faith
    4. the modern Palestinian people have grown up under military occupation and deprived of dignity
    5. Israel has to be pressured into making changes, or things will continue as they are
    6. If Palestinians laid down arms, they would remain subjugated. If Israel laid down arms, America will send more arms and even put boots on the ground if needed, but Palestinians might have better lives
    7. "our plan was always to annex all the occupied territories and damned be international law"
    1. True

    2. False

    3. False

    4. False

    5. False (True for Hamas though)

    6. False

    7. False

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