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    Posted on 02:29:48 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    If you say no law was broken, we agree that justice prevailed.

    I am glad we are on the same page.

    A707 [2600371]

    I never said that justice prevailed. I said that no law was broken. What is lawful and what is just are two different things

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were
    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    Probably drunk and trolling

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    Posted on 02:30:02 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Why were the pedos trying to intimidate Kyle by attacking him with a skateboard, which is NOT protected by the 1A? They played FAFO and won with someone that was exercising their 2A Right.

    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    Madgod [1733719]

    It was a protest, and one of the aspects of the protest was a show of support for the second amendment. The intention was not to intimidate. If people felt intimidate, then they didn't understand. However, the person who tried to shoot Rittenhouse, and the person attacking him with a skateboard, both were.

    I wouldn't call him a hero necessarily. But to your statement in a previous comment "your hero killed people", the unfortunate reality is that sometimes people who are considered heroes are considered such exactly because they did kill someone.

    A707 [2600371]

    Since when is carrying a loaded rifle out in public not for intimidation?

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Well it’s not doing anyone any good if it’s unloaded…

    The facts of this case were pretty clear. He was a a protest playing Boy Scout with his first aid kit and crap. He had reason to believe that he could be attacked, because the protests at that time were very violent. This was the height of antifa running around committing all manner of violent felonies in the name of “justice and equality”.


    If I remember correctly the first assailant tried to throw a bag of stuff at him and take his rifle after making some kind of threat about using it on him. Gets shot.


    Second guy hits him with a skateboard. Gets shot.


    Third guy points a gun at him. Gets shot.


    Mob pursued him to the police skirmish line with impugnity.


    I gotta be honest here.. no one seemed intimidated by the presence of this nerd.


    If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at his mom. She’s the one who let her teenager go off and hang out at a hyper violent protest. He probably was carrying the right tools for the job, but a responsible parent would have grounded his ass and not let him travel to another state. Not being near a crime in progress is always better than being equipped to repel the criminals.

    In other news, while it is not illegal, one should not wander blithely down dark alleys in the bad part of town. It’s easier to win the fight you’re not in than the one for which you’ve practiced.

    A707 [2600371]

    And you agree that he should not have been there? Especially with a deadly weapon?
    Absolutely. His dumb ass should have been at home doing chores and homework.

    The weapon isn’t the issue. A teenager traveling to another state to be in harms way is the issue. I’m surprised mom wasn’t charged with child endangerment or something.
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    Posted on 02:30:02 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    None of that matters! He was exercising his 2A Right whether you like and appreciate it or not. He did not break any laws, as determined by a very anti-gun liberal law system and was found not guilty.

    You may not like the outcome, but if you believe in the justice system and the Constitution, he was found not guilty. A pedo died and no one worthwhile mourned his death.

    A707 [2600371]

    I didnt insinuate that he broke any laws, just that his presence at the protest was just for intimidation in order to suppress other people's free speech. This man should be no hero to any constitutionalist at all

    Intricate [1957884]

    What was going on at a Kenosha was far from a protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    Whatever you want to call it, it was people exercising their free speech

    Intricate [1957884]

    It was a bunch of violent thugs using a career criminal as an excuse for looting, damaging/burning property and injuring people.
    And yet it was still largely protected under free speech
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    Posted on 02:31:40 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    Madgod [1733719]

    It was a protest, and one of the aspects of the protest was a show of support for the second amendment. The intention was not to intimidate. If people felt intimidate, then they didn't understand. However, the person who tried to shoot Rittenhouse, and the person attacking him with a skateboard, both were.

    I wouldn't call him a hero necessarily. But to your statement in a previous comment "your hero killed people", the unfortunate reality is that sometimes people who are considered heroes are considered such exactly because they did kill someone.

    A707 [2600371]

    Since when is carrying a loaded rifle out in public not for intimidation?

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Well it’s not doing anyone any good if it’s unloaded…

    The facts of this case were pretty clear. He was a a protest playing Boy Scout with his first aid kit and crap. He had reason to believe that he could be attacked, because the protests at that time were very violent. This was the height of antifa running around committing all manner of violent felonies in the name of “justice and equality”.


    If I remember correctly the first assailant tried to throw a bag of stuff at him and take his rifle after making some kind of threat about using it on him. Gets shot.


    Second guy hits him with a skateboard. Gets shot.


    Third guy points a gun at him. Gets shot.


    Mob pursued him to the police skirmish line with impugnity.


    I gotta be honest here.. no one seemed intimidated by the presence of this nerd.


    If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at his mom. She’s the one who let her teenager go off and hang out at a hyper violent protest. He probably was carrying the right tools for the job, but a responsible parent would have grounded his ass and not let him travel to another state. Not being near a crime in progress is always better than being equipped to repel the criminals.

    In other news, while it is not illegal, one should not wander blithely down dark alleys in the bad part of town. It’s easier to win the fight you’re not in than the one for which you’ve practiced.

    A707 [2600371]

    And you agree that he should not have been there? Especially with a deadly weapon?

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Absolutely. His dumb ass should have been at home doing chores and homework.

    The weapon isn’t the issue. A teenager traveling to another state to be in harms way is the issue. I’m surprised mom wasn’t charged with child endangerment or something.
    Fair enough
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    Posted on 02:31:52 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    If you say no law was broken, we agree that justice prevailed.

    I am glad we are on the same page.

    A707 [2600371]

    I never said that justice prevailed. I said that no law was broken. What is lawful and what is just are two different things

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were
    I am and have been clear about that. As I stated, everyone was within their Rights until the pedos decided to attempt physical harm and it got treated with the only acceptable treatment a pedo deserves.

    At least you admit you are less than a human by not supporting the Constitution. Apologize to the nearest tree for wasting the oxygen it worked so hard to make.
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    Posted on 02:33:14 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    I never said that justice prevailed. I said that no law was broken. What is lawful and what is just are two different things

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?
    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?
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    Posted on 02:35:12 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    I never said that justice prevailed. I said that no law was broken. What is lawful and what is just are two different things

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    I am and have been clear about that. As I stated, everyone was within their Rights until the pedos decided to attempt physical harm and it got treated with the only acceptable treatment a pedo deserves.

    At least you admit you are less than a human by not supporting the Constitution. Apologize to the nearest tree for wasting the oxygen it worked so hard to make.
    If you think 95% of humans are less than human you have a problem
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    Posted on 02:38:39 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    A707 [2600371]

    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?
    Show me concrete proof that this happened. But that's awful if it did.

    So just to confirm... you don't think people should have freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition the government, nor the right too keep and bear arms, nor protection against unlawful search and seizure, nor any protections for due process, or the right to a jury, or any rules against excessive fines, nor any federal laws against slavery, or gender voting rights, or limits on presidentail terms, or the condition of rights upon payment of taxes, or anything else?

    Probably drunk and trolling

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    Posted on 02:38:39 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    I am and have been clear about that. As I stated, everyone was within their Rights until the pedos decided to attempt physical harm and it got treated with the only acceptable treatment a pedo deserves.

    At least you admit you are less than a human by not supporting the Constitution. Apologize to the nearest tree for wasting the oxygen it worked so hard to make.

    A707 [2600371]

    If you think 95% of humans are less than human you have a problem


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    Posted on 02:39:13 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Why were the pedos trying to intimidate Kyle by attacking him with a skateboard, which is NOT protected by the 1A? They played FAFO and won with someone that was exercising their 2A Right.

    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    None of that matters! He was exercising his 2A Right whether you like and appreciate it or not. He did not break any laws, as determined by a very anti-gun liberal law system and was found not guilty.

    You may not like the outcome, but if you believe in the justice system and the Constitution, he was found not guilty. A pedo died and no one worthwhile mourned his death.

    A707 [2600371]

    I didnt insinuate that he broke any laws, just that his presence at the protest was just for intimidation in order to suppress other people's free speech. This man should be no hero to any constitutionalist at all

    Intricate [1957884]

    What was going on at a Kenosha was far from a protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    Whatever you want to call it, it was people exercising their free speech
    Sir, at this point I must insist that you be truthful or any discussion with you is silly masturbation.

    Free speech means things you *say* or express. Not things that you do. This was a violent riot. Actual numbers vary a little, but approximately 40 buildings (some reporte are as high as 56) were burned down, and another 100 damaged for a total of over 50 million dollars in damages. That doesn’t even count the numerous cars that were burned and city infrastructure that was destroyed (street lights and the like).

    The national guard was deployed.

    That is not free speech. That is not discourse in the town square. If that is the assertion you want to make, do it properly - in clown makeup.


    We can definitely talk about Kyle and in particular whether he should have been there. We will find agreement in that place. We will not find agreement on the elements where you are just making stuff up.

    edit: this might have been written a little dickish. Apologies. I don’t think we are that far apart.
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    Posted on 02:39:32 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    I am and have been clear about that. As I stated, everyone was within their Rights until the pedos decided to attempt physical harm and it got treated with the only acceptable treatment a pedo deserves.

    At least you admit you are less than a human by not supporting the Constitution. Apologize to the nearest tree for wasting the oxygen it worked so hard to make.

    A707 [2600371]

    If you think 95% of humans are less than human you have a problem

    SporkMonkey [2065017]



    If you can't read, just say that
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    Posted on 02:40:39 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    None of that matters! He was exercising his 2A Right whether you like and appreciate it or not. He did not break any laws, as determined by a very anti-gun liberal law system and was found not guilty.

    You may not like the outcome, but if you believe in the justice system and the Constitution, he was found not guilty. A pedo died and no one worthwhile mourned his death.

    A707 [2600371]

    I didnt insinuate that he broke any laws, just that his presence at the protest was just for intimidation in order to suppress other people's free speech. This man should be no hero to any constitutionalist at all

    Intricate [1957884]

    What was going on at a Kenosha was far from a protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    Whatever you want to call it, it was people exercising their free speech

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Sir, at this point I must insist that you be truthful or any discussion with you is silly masturbation.

    Free speech means things you *say* or express. Not things that you do. This was a violent riot. Actual numbers vary a little, but approximately 40 buildings (some reporte are as high as 56) were burned down, and another 100 damaged for a total of over 50 million dollars in damages. That doesn’t even count the numerous cars that were burned and city infrastructure that was destroyed (street lights and the like).

    The national guard was deployed.

    That is not free speech. That is not discourse in the town square. If that is the assertion you want to make, do it properly - in clown makeup.


    We can definitely talk about Kyle and in particular whether he should have been there. We will find agreement in that place. We will not find agreement on the elements where you are just making stuff up.

    edit: this might have been written a little dickish. Apologies. I don’t think we are that far apart.
    And the vast majority were not arrested. So yeah, most of it was protected.
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    Posted on 02:43:51 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Wow, aren't you black? and you support rittenhouse?

    lol. You know you can't be part of that group, right? Duke doesn't allow it.


    And if this kid is a "hero" in your eyes, please get a vasectomy. For the sake of everyone. But especially those closest to you.
    Who's supposed to be black?

    Please indulge me
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    None of that matters! He was exercising his 2A Right whether you like and appreciate it or not. He did not break any laws, as determined by a very anti-gun liberal law system and was found not guilty.

    You may not like the outcome, but if you believe in the justice system and the Constitution, he was found not guilty. A pedo died and no one worthwhile mourned his death.

    A707 [2600371]

    I didnt insinuate that he broke any laws, just that his presence at the protest was just for intimidation in order to suppress other people's free speech. This man should be no hero to any constitutionalist at all

    Intricate [1957884]

    What was going on at a Kenosha was far from a protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    Whatever you want to call it, it was people exercising their free speech

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Sir, at this point I must insist that you be truthful or any discussion with you is silly masturbation.

    Free speech means things you *say* or express. Not things that you do. This was a violent riot. Actual numbers vary a little, but approximately 40 buildings (some reporte are as high as 56) were burned down, and another 100 damaged for a total of over 50 million dollars in damages. That doesn’t even count the numerous cars that were burned and city infrastructure that was destroyed (street lights and the like).

    The national guard was deployed.

    That is not free speech. That is not discourse in the town square. If that is the assertion you want to make, do it properly - in clown makeup.


    We can definitely talk about Kyle and in particular whether he should have been there. We will find agreement in that place. We will not find agreement on the elements where you are just making stuff up.

    edit: this might have been written a little dickish. Apologies. I don’t think we are that far apart.

    A707 [2600371]

    And the vast majority were not arrested. So yeah, most of it was protected.
    You’re sticking with the “peaceful gathering of protesters voicing their opinions” huh?

    If the police don’t have manpower and transportation enough to arrest everyone (and visibility to see who commits the felonies in real time) then it de facto means peaceful protest?

    This is some gaslighting that would even make Seba_Nile feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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    Posted on 02:47:30 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Make up your mind.

    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    A707 [2600371]

    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?
    That doesn't matter.

    The Constitution only applied to white men at the time.
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    Posted on 02:49:15 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    I did make up my mind. In the eyes of the law he did nothing wrong but in my eyes that man went out there to intimidate people and infringe their rights and came back with blood on his hands

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    A707 [2600371]

    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?

    EddieLee706 [1591144]

    That doesn't matter.

    The Constitution only applied to white men at the time.
    I'm pretty sure it was only applied when they wanted it to apply. People seem to forget that the first decades of the us were basically a dictatorship
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    Posted on 02:51:36 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    NRx. Reject Modernity return to: Tradition, Monarchy, Spirit.

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    Posted on 02:51:40 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    A707 [2600371]

    I didnt insinuate that he broke any laws, just that his presence at the protest was just for intimidation in order to suppress other people's free speech. This man should be no hero to any constitutionalist at all

    Intricate [1957884]

    What was going on at a Kenosha was far from a protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    Whatever you want to call it, it was people exercising their free speech

    Asbestos [2605613]

    Sir, at this point I must insist that you be truthful or any discussion with you is silly masturbation.

    Free speech means things you *say* or express. Not things that you do. This was a violent riot. Actual numbers vary a little, but approximately 40 buildings (some reporte are as high as 56) were burned down, and another 100 damaged for a total of over 50 million dollars in damages. That doesn’t even count the numerous cars that were burned and city infrastructure that was destroyed (street lights and the like).

    The national guard was deployed.

    That is not free speech. That is not discourse in the town square. If that is the assertion you want to make, do it properly - in clown makeup.


    We can definitely talk about Kyle and in particular whether he should have been there. We will find agreement in that place. We will not find agreement on the elements where you are just making stuff up.

    edit: this might have been written a little dickish. Apologies. I don’t think we are that far apart.

    A707 [2600371]

    And the vast majority were not arrested. So yeah, most of it was protected.

    Asbestos [2605613]

    You’re sticking with the “peaceful gathering of protesters voicing their opinions” huh?

    If the police don’t have manpower and transportation enough to arrest everyone (and visibility to see who commits the felonies in real time) then it de facto means peaceful protest?

    This is some gaslighting that would even make Seba_Nile feel warm and fuzzy inside.
    Bro, have you seen what the police force have? They have military grade equipment ffs. If they wanted to arrest people, they wouldve
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    Posted on 02:52:51 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    A707 [2600371]

    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?

    EddieLee706 [1591144]

    That doesn't matter.

    The Constitution only applied to white men at the time.

    A707 [2600371]

    I'm pretty sure it was only applied when they wanted it to apply. People seem to forget that the first decades of the us were basically a dictatorship
    dictatorship monarchy
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    Posted on 02:54:54 - 21/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    So you're only for constitutional Rights when it's convenient for your POV.

    Got it.

    A707 [2600371]

    Oh, I ain't for constitutional rights, I just thought you were

    Madgod [1733719]

    You don't think a country should have a charter of rights at all?

    A707 [2600371]

    No, I just don't think that this 300 year old document should be held so highly, especially considering that some of the people that wrote it were the scum of the earth.

    Thomas jefferson ****d his underage female slave, you do know?

    EddieLee706 [1591144]

    That doesn't matter.

    The Constitution only applied to white men at the time.

    A707 [2600371]

    I'm pretty sure it was only applied when they wanted it to apply. People seem to forget that the first decades of the us were basically a dictatorship
    The first few decades


    Don't stop there you mean since its inception
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