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    Posted on 08:23:03 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    By your logic, if the pedos hadn't aggressively attacked Kyle, they'd be alive today.

    f**k em. The world is a better place.

    But good to know you wish more diddlers were walking this planet.

    A707 [2600371]

    OK, fair enough.

    But please tell me why your hero was attempting to intimidate people with weapons during a protest, which is their first amendment right.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Why were the pedos trying to intimidate Kyle by attacking him with a skateboard, which is NOT protected by the 1A? They played FAFO and won with someone that was exercising their 2A Right.

    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

    Asbestos [2605613]

    I mean he didn’t point it at anyone talking. He only pointed it at the felons trying to kill him or inflict great bodily injury. So while I do think he was a total milhouse for having it there, I think it is a ridiculous assertion to say he was restricting anyone’s protest.

    A707 [2600371]

    When you have an object capable of killing a man with a single trigger press in your hands at a protest, that is intimidation and infringement on free speech
    So was the illegal gun Gaige Grosskreutz carrying an intimidation and infringement on the free speech of others too? The one he testified to pointing at Rittenhouse before he was shot in self defense by Rittenhouse. That guy.
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    Posted on 08:28:11 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    EddieLee706 [1591144]

    Who's supposed to be black?

    Please indulge me

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    I thought Spork was, or claimed. But I don't know anymore, everyone changes their name or such.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    What does skin color have to do with anything?

    Rittenhouse, a white guy, dealt with two other white guys.

    You don't still believe the 100% proven false info that he shot a black dude, do you?

    You do, don't you?! How embarrassing for you.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Rittenhouse has been photographed on several occasions giving the WS symbol.

    Who he shot makes no difference to me. Glorifying someone who slipped through the cracks of the law, for slipping through the cracks is idiotic, at best.

    A707 [2600371]

    I just looked into it and it seems rittenhouse was also seen with the proud boys, a bunch of domestic terrorists. That was even a shock for me

    Steppenwulf [2960257]

    1. Provide sources when you make unsubstantiated claims.

    2. Read something about the context when you find some derogatory information about a person you want to denegrate.

    3. Kyle Rittenhouse was a non-political person who supported the BLM movement at the time of this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do7sbWaZstQ -- you can skip to 14:30 if you are only interested in hearing his support for BLM.

    Kyle Rittenhouse was and still is a very young man. At the time the Proud Boys photos were taken, Kyle did not know that the "OK" hand sign was also used by white supremacists to symbolize White Power. Furthermore, he's using the wrong hand for the White Power sign as it requires the right hand to form the W and P in the correct order. And finally, the proud boys he was with, who he did not know were Proud Boys at the time, were his "security detail" assigned by his subsequently fired lawyer who was using Kyle's case to further his extreme right wing agenda. Kyle Rittenhouse was not interested in becoming the poster child for the alt-right, and he fired his attorney to stop them trying to craft his public image into a "hero" of the right. Source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/kyle-rittenhouse-blames-former-lawyers-for-proud-boys-photo/.

    Kyle Rittenhouse should not be considered a hero for his actions on that fateful night in Kenosha; neither does he wish to be seen as such. There have been a lot of talking heads and politicians clamoring to promote both their own careers and their agenda from this tragic night from both sides of the aisle. But Kyle Rittenhouse was just a naive young man with a rifle who was exceedingly lucky not only to be acquitted, but also to have survived that night.
    I forgot Americans think the OK symbol is all about white supremacy now. My grandfather used to curse people with it in our home country, it's a bit like the middle finger.
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    Posted on 11:16:41 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    No one's lamenting a pedo. That that's what you have to reach for to make Kyle a hero is hilarious and damning. Did Rittenhouse know this about the guy when shooting him? Does it change the matters any? Not really. He was still a kid overeager to kill people and got his wish. His life will never be the same because of it. Rosenbaum's fiancee mentioned he wasn't really there for the protest or counter protest. Rosenbaum's death being justified in your eyes has nothing to do with whether what Rittenhouse did was right or not. 

    I saw the video when it came out. He seemed totally justified in his self defense once people were running after him. The question is why was he in that situation in the first place? He wasn't the only counter protestor, or even a counter protestor with guns that day. Simple fact is: if Kyle had't come out there with a gun, no one would have died. If that dude with a handgun didn't fire in the air, Kyle wouldn't have been spooked and killed Rosenbaum, who had cornered him.

    Property damage isn't worth people's lives. It's a sad situation all around that people try to use for their political talking points.

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    Posted on 14:48:16 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    Fermion [2691036]

    No one's lamenting a pedo. That that's what you have to reach for to make Kyle a hero is hilarious and damning. Did Rittenhouse know this about the guy when shooting him? Does it change the matters any? Not really. He was still a kid overeager to kill people and got his wish. His life will never be the same because of it. Rosenbaum's fiancee mentioned he wasn't really there for the protest or counter protest. Rosenbaum's death being justified in your eyes has nothing to do with whether what Rittenhouse did was right or not.

    I saw the video when it came out. He seemed totally justified in his self defense once people were running after him. The question is why was he in that situation in the first place? He wasn't the only counter protestor, or even a counter protestor with guns that day. Simple fact is: if Kyle had't come out there with a gun, no one would have died. If that dude with a handgun didn't fire in the air, Kyle wouldn't have been spooked and killed Rosenbaum, who had cornered him.

    Property damage isn't worth people's lives. It's a sad situation all around that people try to use for their political talking points.
    That's a hilarious viewpoint.

    No one is saying rittenhouse knew the guy was a paedo before he shot him, people are saying he was entirely justified in defending himself and killing that dude, but also as a f**king huge bonus, the guy he killed was a ***** and the world is most definitely better off.

    He wasn't an kid eager to kill people, he was a teenager taking action to do the right thing and help others in need.

    Stop calling it a protest, it wasn't a protest, it was a f**kin' riot.

    There are many a questions, and "why was he in that situation in the first place" is not even close to the top in priority. More relevant and suited questions: Why were they rioting? Who or what were they targeting, and why? Why would you run after a kid who is armed with a rifle, that is running away? When that kid falls over and is on the floor, why would you attack him? Why would you aim a gun at him? Why would you attempt to hit him with a skateboard?

    Simple fact is; if the rioters weren't there, kyle wouldn't have shot any of them. If the rioters didn't attack him, he wouldn't have shot any of them.

    I entirely beg to differ, I'm a full supporter of protecting innocent* lives. Though there are many people whose lives I value less than property. Example; Someone accidentally crashes into my house. - no biggie, shit happens.
    Someone targets my house and drives into it or sets fire to it. - I will f**k em up.

    But finally and most importantly; paedos lives don't matter.

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    Posted on 17:31:37 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    Fermion [2691036]

    No one's lamenting a pedo. That that's what you have to reach for to make Kyle a hero is hilarious and damning. Did Rittenhouse know this about the guy when shooting him? Does it change the matters any? Not really. He was still a kid overeager to kill people and got his wish. His life will never be the same because of it. Rosenbaum's fiancee mentioned he wasn't really there for the protest or counter protest. Rosenbaum's death being justified in your eyes has nothing to do with whether what Rittenhouse did was right or not.

    I saw the video when it came out. He seemed totally justified in his self defense once people were running after him. The question is why was he in that situation in the first place? He wasn't the only counter protestor, or even a counter protestor with guns that day. Simple fact is: if Kyle had't come out there with a gun, no one would have died. If that dude with a handgun didn't fire in the air, Kyle wouldn't have been spooked and killed Rosenbaum, who had cornered him.

    Property damage isn't worth people's lives. It's a sad situation all around that people try to use for their political talking points.

    Odin-All-Father [2010524]

    That's a hilarious viewpoint.

    No one is saying rittenhouse knew the guy was a paedo before he shot him, people are saying he was entirely justified in defending himself and killing that dude, but also as a f**king huge bonus, the guy he killed was a ***** and the world is most definitely better off.

    He wasn't an kid eager to kill people, he was a teenager taking action to do the right thing and help others in need.

    Stop calling it a protest, it wasn't a protest, it was a f**kin' riot.

    There are many a questions, and "why was he in that situation in the first place" is not even close to the top in priority. More relevant and suited questions: Why were they rioting? Who or what were they targeting, and why? Why would you run after a kid who is armed with a rifle, that is running away? When that kid falls over and is on the floor, why would you attack him? Why would you aim a gun at him? Why would you attempt to hit him with a skateboard?

    Simple fact is; if the rioters weren't there, kyle wouldn't have shot any of them. If the rioters didn't attack him, he wouldn't have shot any of them.

    I entirely beg to differ, I'm a full supporter of protecting innocent* lives. Though there are many people whose lives I value less than property. Example; Someone accidentally crashes into my house. - no biggie, shit happens.
    Someone targets my house and drives into it or sets fire to it. - I will f**k em up.

    But finally and most importantly; paedos lives don't matter.
    There are many a questions, and "why was he in that situation in the first place" is not even close to the top in priority. More relevant and suited questions: Why were they rioting? Who or what were they targeting, and why? Why would you run after a kid who is armed with a rifle, that is running away? When that kid falls over and is on the floor, why would you attack him? Why would you aim a gun at him? Why would you attempt to hit him with a skateboard?
    Wrong wrong wrong.

    That is one of the most important questions. You say he wasn't looking to kill...he brought a f**king gun. What is the first rule of owning a gun? Don't point it at anything you don't wish to destroy.

    The mere fact of having a gun in a public setting, is that you are willing to take a f**king life. Whether it be in Defense or not.

    It is not a 17 year olds duty to borrow a gun, and take it to a city to "defend property". In our society, we have things like police, which happen to be "trained", and have military equipment to deal with this stuff. Its not perfect, but a lot less paperwork than having a 17 year old kill two people because he had 0 training in stressful situations. Believe it or not, defending, getting into gun fights, takes practice and training, beyond just shooting at a non-moving circle.

    SO lets take argument 2: he took a gun to counter-protest. Same response. Go counter protest, try to calm people before turning into a riot, observe and report. Bring a gun though? means you are ready to destroy something if need be. "IF need be" could mean so much to so many different people. An experienced EMT that brings a pistol because the craziness? Probably a different "need" than a 17 year old kid with practically no training, borrowing a rifle, and then proceeding to an area of chaos. "Oh whoops, totally just found myself in a precarious situation with a gun...oh my..."

    He is a prime example of the failure of our justice system, and will be the example used to better enhance policies and laws in individual states.
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    Posted on 17:46:18 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Wow, aren't you black? and you support rittenhouse?

    lol. You know you can't be part of that group, right? Duke doesn't allow it.


    And if this kid is a "hero" in your eyes, please get a vasectomy. For the sake of everyone. But especially those closest to you.

    EddieLee706 [1591144]

    Who's supposed to be black?

    Please indulge me

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    I thought Spork was, or claimed. But I don't know anymore, everyone changes their name or such.

    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    What does skin color have to do with anything?

    Rittenhouse, a white guy, dealt with two other white guys.

    You don't still believe the 100% proven false info that he shot a black dude, do you?

    You do, don't you?! How embarrassing for you.

    broleaf [3140943]

    Kyle, a white Hispanic, is specifically considered a based POC.

    js. kek

    I think that highlights the stupidity of trans-creatures contrast argument quite nicely.

    A707 [2600371]

    Evidence?
    Kyle is a White Hispanic

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    broleaf [3140943]

    Kyle is a White Hispanic

    No evidence other than the above-displayed record pertaining to the Aug. 19 traffic stop — which, as we noted, carried a disclaimer that law enforcement noted "Hispanic" based on a subjective look at Rittenhouse and was not a self assessment — indicated that the 18-year-old was possibly any race other than Caucasian. For those reasons, we also rated previous claims calling him white "True."


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    Posted on 22:03:56 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Kyle is a White Hispanic

    Unlucky [2472585]

    No evidence other than the above-displayed record pertaining to the Aug. 19 traffic stop — which, as we noted, carried a disclaimer that law enforcement noted "Hispanic" based on a subjective look at Rittenhouse and was not a self assessment — indicated that the 18-year-old was possibly any race other than Caucasian. For those reasons, we also rated previous claims calling him white "True."


    Snopes
    Hence White-Hispanic both = true 

    White Hispanic and Latino Americans
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Hence White-Hispanic both = true

    White Hispanic and Latino Americans
    Uhhh nope. That’s not how it works.  


    If I subjectively identify you as trans can I now refer to you as Trans-CIS?
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    Posted on 22:17:16 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Hence White-Hispanic both = true

    White Hispanic and Latino Americans

    Unlucky [2472585]

    Uhhh nope. That’s not how it works.


    If I subjectively identify you as trans can I now refer to you as Trans-CIS?
    no due to that being incorrect English

    conclusion re write Trans-CIS
    explanation the definition of Trans
    A transgender person (often shortened to trans) is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth. Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another identify as transsexual.

    CIS is the antonym to trans hence incompatible.


    White Hispanic = interracial racial

    Hopefully, this English lesson provided by me helps illuminate your understanding of English and provides a foundation towards ending your illiteracy. Regards, bro. - Leaf
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    Posted on 22:20:37 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    no due to that being incorrect English

    conclusion re write Trans-CIS
    explanation the definition of Trans
    A transgender person (often shortened to trans) is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth. Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another identify as transsexual.

    CIS is the antonym to trans hence incompatible.


    White Hispanic = interracial racial

    Hopefully, this English lesson provided by me helps illuminate your understanding of English and provides a foundation towards ending your illiteracy. Regards, bro. - Leaf
    Fair enough. 


    If a police officer pulls me over and and records me as black (actually white) am I now mixed race?
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    Posted on 22:23:01 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    Why were the pedos trying to intimidate Kyle by attacking him with a skateboard, which is NOT protected by the 1A? They played FAFO and won with someone that was exercising their 2A Right.

    A707 [2600371]

    OK, I'll admit he was in the right when he shot them but that does not explain why he was there in the first place. Having a rifle on him was pretty much an intimidation tool to attempt to restrict the protest and therefore freedom of speech.

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    It was a protest, and one of the aspects of the protest was a show of support for the second amendment. The intention was not to intimidate. If people felt intimidate, then they didn't understand. However, the person who tried to shoot Rittenhouse, and the person attacking him with a skateboard, both were.

    I wouldn't call him a hero necessarily. But to your statement in a previous comment "your hero killed people", the unfortunate reality is that sometimes people who are considered heroes are considered such exactly because they did kill someone.

    A707 [2600371]

    Since when is carrying a loaded rifle out in public not for intimidation?

    Madgod [1733719]

    I mean it probably wouldn't have needed to be loaded if the other sided wasn't so radical

    A707 [2600371]

    Calling people who oppose racial profiling and the murder of black men at the hands of police officers "radical" is radical in of itself
    Another falsehood. 


    He is clearly characterizing the extremely violent mob that was responsible for multiple days of massive destruction, mayhem, and damage. That certainly qualifies as “radical”.
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    Posted on 22:24:43 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    no due to that being incorrect English

    conclusion re write Trans-CIS
    explanation the definition of Trans
    A transgender person (often shortened to trans) is someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth. Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another identify as transsexual.

    CIS is the antonym to trans hence incompatible.


    White Hispanic = interracial racial

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    Fair enough.


    If a police officer pulls me over and and records me as black (actually white) am I now mixed race?
    As far as the state is concerned, perhaps, but given the fact that Kyle has not explicitly stated his racial identity as either white or Hispanic, we will rely on the limited evidence available. Unless you can provide additional evidence confirming that he is solely white, we should also consider the previous empirical evidence.
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    Posted on 22:26:39 - 22/11/23 (4 months ago)
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    broleaf [3140943]

    Kyle is a White Hispanic

    Unlucky [2472585]

    No evidence other than the above-displayed record pertaining to the Aug. 19 traffic stop — which, as we noted, carried a disclaimer that law enforcement noted "Hispanic" based on a subjective look at Rittenhouse and was not a self assessment — indicated that the 18-year-old was possibly any race other than Caucasian. For those reasons, we also rated previous claims calling him white "True."


    Snopes
    Racial identity is self identified in the US. If you check the “Hispanic” box on the form, you’re Hispanic. That’s it.

    This derailment over Rittenhouses racial identity is weird.
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    broleaf [3140943]

    As far as the state is concerned, perhaps, but given the fact that Kyle has not explicitly stated his racial identity as either white or Hispanic, we will rely on the limited evidence available. Unless you can provide additional evidence confirming that he is solely white, we should also consider the previous empirical evidence.
    But you are using the same evidence set to say is is white hispanic right Here. 


    Unless you can prove additional evidence confirming he is white hispanic we should reconsider the previous empirical evidence.
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    broleaf [3140943]

    As far as the state is concerned, perhaps, but given the fact that Kyle has not explicitly stated his racial identity as either white or Hispanic, we will rely on the limited evidence available. Unless you can provide additional evidence confirming that he is solely white, we should also consider the previous empirical evidence.

    Unlucky [2472585]

    But you are using the same evidence set to say is is white hispanic right Here.


    Unless you can prove additional evidence confirming he is white hispanic we should reconsider the previous empirical evidence.
    See above. If he told an an official at the DMV that he is Hispanic and it was then on his drivers license, which is what they would have written on his speeding ticket, he’s Hispanic. That’s it. Racial identity in the US is *not* evidence based.
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    Asbestos [2605613]

    See above. If he told an an official at the DMV that he is Hispanic and it was then on his drivers license, which is what they would have written on his speeding ticket, he’s Hispanic. That’s it. Racial identity in the US is *not* evidence based.
    See above. The “evidence” came from a subjective appraisal from an officer that stopped him for a speeding offence.
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    broleaf [3140943]

    As far as the state is concerned, perhaps, but given the fact that Kyle has not explicitly stated his racial identity as either white or Hispanic, we will rely on the limited evidence available. Unless you can provide additional evidence confirming that he is solely white, we should also consider the previous empirical evidence.

    Unlucky [2472585]

    But you are using the same evidence set to say is is white hispanic right Here.


    Unless you can prove additional evidence confirming he is white hispanic we should reconsider the previous empirical evidence.
    Can you provide evidence confirming that he is solely white to refute my claim? I positioned my argument between the two possibilities, using both examples of evidence. By attempting to cherry-pick, you automatically lose this argument on an academic basis.


    Not only do I assist in teaching you English, but I also aim to enhance your skills in academic-level debating.
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    NRx. Reject Modernity return to: Tradition, Monarchy, Spirit.

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    Can you provide evidence confirming that he is solely white to refute my claim? I positioned my argument between the two possibilities, using both examples of evidence. By attempting to cherry-pick, you automatically lose this argument on an academic basis.


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    No you didn’t. You explicitly said he was white hispanic.

    If you wanna walk that back and say it’s unconfirmed sure but don’t make out you didn’t say what you did when I can just scroll up and see it.
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    Can you provide evidence confirming that he is solely white to refute my claim? I positioned my argument between the two possibilities, using both examples of evidence. By attempting to cherry-pick, you automatically lose this argument on an academic basis.


    Not only do I assist in teaching you English, but I also aim to enhance your skills in academic-level debating.

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    No you didn’t. You explicitly said he was white hispanic.

    If you wanna walk that back and say it’s unconfirmed sure but don’t make out you didn’t say what you did when I can just scroll up and see it.
    Yes, because when you combine the evidence of the two, that constitutes the basis of my argument.
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    NRx. Reject Modernity return to: Tradition, Monarchy, Spirit.

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