Vernunzio [730674]

You've been consistently posting about killing one side. Backtrack and gaslight though, that's what you're good at.

But if even a few people see you revealing your true intentions, it will be worth the time.

Civilian casualties are a tragedy. But let us not lose sight that this is a war that Hamas started, Hamas intentionally imbeds itself in the civilian population, and Hamas actively prevented civilians from leaving Gaza when Israel tried to get them to evacuate.

It's a tragedy and Israel is not blameless. But this is exactly what Hamas wants. The unwilling martyrs, as you've accidentally revealed is how you think of them, are a price that Hamas is happy to pay.

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Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Please quote my consistent posts about killing one side and prove to everyone on Torn that I am pro-genocide. Please, I am begging.

Yes, it will be worth the time. Now Please quote all I said about killing and committing genocide against the zionists.

This is a war that Hamas started only if you go back 31 days. Go further back. Go to to West Bank where there is no Hamas. Your facts are just as messed up as you are.

How do you know what Hamas exactly wants? Based on their actions? If we use that same method, what do you think the zionists want?

If Hamas wants Palestinians to die, why don't they do it without getting the zionists involved? And why are the zionists involved in killing the Palestinians?

On another irrelevant note; do you think up all this shit because think out of your ass? I hear laxatives help clear up and ease your bowel movements. Try it. Maybe your thinking out of the ass won't be this shitty then.

Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Vernunzio [730674]

You've been consistently posting about killing one side. Backtrack and gaslight though, that's what you're good at.

But if even a few people see you revealing your true intentions, it will be worth the time.

Civilian casualties are a tragedy. But let us not lose sight that this is a war that Hamas started, Hamas intentionally imbeds itself in the civilian population, and Hamas actively prevented civilians from leaving Gaza when Israel tried to get them to evacuate.

It's a tragedy and Israel is not blameless. But this is exactly what Hamas wants. The unwilling martyrs, as you've accidentally revealed is how you think of them, are a price that Hamas is happy to pay.

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Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Please quote my consistent posts about killing one side and prove to everyone on Torn that I am pro-genocide. Please, I am begging.

Yes, it will be worth the time. Now Please quote all I said about killing and committing genocide against the zionists.

This is a war that Hamas started only if you go back 31 days. Go further back. Go to to West Bank where there is no Hamas. Your facts are just as messed up as you are.

How do you know what Hamas exactly wants? Based on their actions? If we use that same method, what do you think the zionists want?

If Hamas wants Palestinians to die, why don't they do it without getting the zionists involved? And why are the zionists involved in killing the Palestinians?

On another irrelevant note; do you think up all this shit because think out of your ass? I hear laxatives help clear up and ease your bowel movements. Try it. Maybe your thinking out of the ass won't be this shitty then.

Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Astolfo [2769295]

Ok, so after being forced to watch 20 minutes for respect sake, I have to say, this just feels like some anti-American tankie bullshit. There is genuine anti-Semitism in this man's words. Israel is the colonial misfit of it's region, it needs its ties to the west, even if that partnership isn't lovey dovey.

The ethnonationalism, genocide and bombings need to stop, but we don't need some anti-American BRICS tankie propaganda.

EDIT: Just read some other comments on who this guy is, holy f**k.

EDIT 2:

Welcome to the Middle Nation channel, the official channel for the content of Shahid Bolsen. The priorities of this channel are three: Promoting the economic sovereignty of Muslim countries, the political independence of Muslim countries, and the psychological de-colonization of the Muslims collectively.

Bro trying to de-haram my westernized queer brethren!

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Please quote my consistent posts about killing one side and prove to everyone on Torn that I am pro-genocide. Please, I am begging.

Yes, it will be worth the time. Now Please quote all I said about killing and committing genocide against the zionists.

This is a war that Hamas started only if you go back 31 days. Go further back. Go to to West Bank where there is no Hamas. Your facts are just as messed up as you are.

How do you know what Hamas exactly wants? Based on their actions? If we use that same method, what do you think the zionists want?

If Hamas wants Palestinians to die, why don't they do it without getting the zionists involved? And why are the zionists involved in killing the Palestinians?

On another irrelevant note; do you think up all this shit because think out of your ass? I hear laxatives help clear up and ease your bowel movements. Try it. Maybe your thinking out of the ass won't be this shitty then.

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Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Vernunzio [730674]

LoL, what is this Hamas charter, you ask. Stop playing dumb already. This back and forth is pointless. We will have to agree to disagree.

I think Israelis and Palestinians should both live and coexist in peace, while you think only Palestinians should live.

Mindsets like yours are why the two-state solution has failed despite Israel offering it countless times. No matter how many times it has tried, Israel can't negotiate with a party whose stated goal is Israel's destruction and is willing to sacrifice its own innocent civilians for that goal.

I hope one day you can free your mind from hate and prejudice.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Please quote my consistent posts about killing one side and prove to everyone on Torn that I am pro-genocide. Please, I am begging.

Yes, it will be worth the time. Now Please quote all I said about killing and committing genocide against the zionists.

This is a war that Hamas started only if you go back 31 days. Go further back. Go to to West Bank where there is no Hamas. Your facts are just as messed up as you are.

How do you know what Hamas exactly wants? Based on their actions? If we use that same method, what do you think the zionists want?

If Hamas wants Palestinians to die, why don't they do it without getting the zionists involved? And why are the zionists involved in killing the Palestinians?

On another irrelevant note; do you think up all this shit because think out of your ass? I hear laxatives help clear up and ease your bowel movements. Try it. Maybe your thinking out of the ass won't be this shitty then.

Show post

Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Td3h [1785428]

There you go, Hamas founding charter.

Highlights include in:
Article 3: Call to Jihad
Article 6: Call to make Palestine a muslim ethnostate, denouncing atheists
Article 7: Genocide of jews
Article 8: Call to jihad and celebrating death for the sake of it
Article 13: Denouncing all attempts at peaceful resolution, another call to Jihad

... lots more about how amazing islam is, jihad is fantastic and so on. I honestly got bored reading it. Looking at the way you have been arguing in bad faith or malicious ignorance I doubt it will change your mind. But here is a primary source about the real goals of hamas and their intentions towards jews and non-muslims.

Looking at the current conflict there is no purely good side. But at least Israel views Gaza civilians as unfortunate collateral damage that happens in the process of defending their nation. It is plain to me that Hamas views them as human shields to hide behind and garner international attention with. Not to mention the targeted and explicit killing of Israeli civilians with no deeper strategic purpose.

VeganBlazes [2052726]

Smilin is literally a sock pocket Hamas shill account don't waste your time with him

Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Show post

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Td3h [1785428]

There you go, Hamas founding charter.

Highlights include in:
Article 3: Call to Jihad
Article 6: Call to make Palestine a muslim ethnostate, denouncing atheists
Article 7: Genocide of jews
Article 8: Call to jihad and celebrating death for the sake of it
Article 13: Denouncing all attempts at peaceful resolution, another call to Jihad

... lots more about how amazing islam is, jihad is fantastic and so on. I honestly got bored reading it. Looking at the way you have been arguing in bad faith or malicious ignorance I doubt it will change your mind. But here is a primary source about the real goals of hamas and their intentions towards jews and non-muslims.

Looking at the current conflict there is no purely good side. But at least Israel views Gaza civilians as unfortunate collateral damage that happens in the process of defending their nation. It is plain to me that Hamas views them as human shields to hide behind and garner international attention with. Not to mention the targeted and explicit killing of Israeli civilians with no deeper strategic purpose.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

I had a lot of respect for you, mate. I thought you'd be more sensible than this but by calling their genocide "process of defending their nation", you've proven you're just the same as every other weak minded extension of the zionists.

"As unfortunate collateral damage"? 10,328 unfortunate collateral damage which 4,800 is children? Do you honestly that someone in their right mindset would call it that? 10k collateral damages and Hamas is still blowing up the zionist Merkava tanks as if they were made of tin. Do you hear yourself? In an open air prison of 2.2 million people, half of that children, has no access to food, clean water, electricy or Healthcare. Your zionist army is bombing everything from homes to refugee camps to sacred buildings such as mosques and churches. You will choke up everything as "process of defending"? Where the actual f**k would this "self defence" end then? When the zionists have killed all of Gaza and done a through and through of ethnically cleansing Gaza? Is it when they would have successfully defended themselves.

Please don't talk to me about Hamas and their barbaric nature of killing women and children or burning granmas and babies when their is no proof. X is full of proof of your zionist army's transgressions. You're tired of reading a f**king charter? Try living the life of a Palestinian for a f**king day and see what tired actually is.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Show post

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Td3h [1785428]

There you go, Hamas founding charter.

Highlights include in:
Article 3: Call to Jihad
Article 6: Call to make Palestine a muslim ethnostate, denouncing atheists
Article 7: Genocide of jews
Article 8: Call to jihad and celebrating death for the sake of it
Article 13: Denouncing all attempts at peaceful resolution, another call to Jihad

... lots more about how amazing islam is, jihad is fantastic and so on. I honestly got bored reading it. Looking at the way you have been arguing in bad faith or malicious ignorance I doubt it will change your mind. But here is a primary source about the real goals of hamas and their intentions towards jews and non-muslims.

Looking at the current conflict there is no purely good side. But at least Israel views Gaza civilians as unfortunate collateral damage that happens in the process of defending their nation. It is plain to me that Hamas views them as human shields to hide behind and garner international attention with. Not to mention the targeted and explicit killing of Israeli civilians with no deeper strategic purpose.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

I had a lot of respect for you, mate. I thought you'd be more sensible than this but by calling their genocide "process of defending their nation", you've proven you're just the same as every other weak minded extension of the zionists.

"As unfortunate collateral damage"? 10,328 unfortunate collateral damage which 4,800 is children? Do you honestly that someone in their right mindset would call it that? 10k collateral damages and Hamas is still blowing up the zionist Merkava tanks as if they were made of tin. Do you hear yourself? In an open air prison of 2.2 million people, half of that children, has no access to food, clean water, electricy or Healthcare. Your zionist army is bombing everything from homes to refugee camps to sacred buildings such as mosques and churches. You will choke up everything as "process of defending"? Where the actual f**k would this "self defence" end then? When the zionists have killed all of Gaza and done a through and through of ethnically cleansing Gaza? Is it when they would have successfully defended themselves.

Please don't talk to me about Hamas and their barbaric nature of killing women and children or burning granmas and babies when their is no proof. X is full of proof of your zionist army's transgressions. You're tired of reading a f**king charter? Try living the life of a Palestinian for a f**king day and see what tired actually is.

Td3h [1785428]

Funny you use the number 10328 which is a number published by the "Palestinian Health Ministry" which in reality is just a branch of the hamas government of Gaza. You know, the terrorist organisation that killed 800+ civilians in the terror attack which kicked the recent war off. No doubt that there are alot of innocent civilians suffering in Gaza, just like they have been in Israel. But using the figures released by terrorists just continues to show you are not arguing in good faith.

As for your respect for me on a personal level - I care little.

Jabajaba [2499335]

https://youtu.be/wiGp2mvFLY0?si=8Zpff8zSJ2Ch5eTy

Have a listen to this chap - International law should be followed at all times, no excuses. Genocide is genocide, simple as that.

Hamas should be able to be removed without bombing innocent people or telling 2m civilians to "move" in 24 hours...

I am personally appalled by the UK and US stance on all of this - the nations that troll around the world claiming to be morally superior to everyone else, only until they decide that it is in their interest to back an ally that is commiting horrendous war crimes.

This is not anything to do with religion. You just need to be a human being to see that the innocent people killed in Israel by hamas is wrong and the backlash on innocent civilians in Palestine is wrong.

Jabajaba [2499335]

https://youtu.be/wiGp2mvFLY0?si=8Zpff8zSJ2Ch5eTy

Have a listen to this chap - International law should be followed at all times, no excuses. Genocide is genocide, simple as that.

Hamas should be able to be removed without bombing innocent people or telling 2m civilians to "move" in 24 hours...

I am personally appalled by the UK and US stance on all of this - the nations that troll around the world claiming to be morally superior to everyone else, only until they decide that it is in their interest to back an ally that is commiting horrendous war crimes.

This is not anything to do with religion. You just need to be a human being to see that the innocent people killed in Israel by hamas is wrong and the backlash on innocent civilians in Palestine is wrong.

Jabajaba [2499335]

https://youtu.be/wiGp2mvFLY0?si=8Zpff8zSJ2Ch5eTy

Have a listen to this chap - International law should be followed at all times, no excuses. Genocide is genocide, simple as that.

Hamas should be able to be removed without bombing innocent people or telling 2m civilians to "move" in 24 hours...

I am personally appalled by the UK and US stance on all of this - the nations that troll around the world claiming to be morally superior to everyone else, only until they decide that it is in their interest to back an ally that is commiting horrendous war crimes.

This is not anything to do with religion. You just need to be a human being to see that the innocent people killed in Israel by hamas is wrong and the backlash on innocent civilians in Palestine is wrong.

deadalus29 [2536273]

What genocide are you refereeing to? to the negative "genocide" (AKA - positive growth rate) the Palestinians are currently experiencing?
The international laws clearly states that killing civilians is OK, in certain cases (which, needless to say, happens at the Gaza strip)

How Hamas can be removed without bombing (also) innocent people? Please answer with practical tactical solution which will not result in more innocents death and allow Israel to win the war which was forced upon it.

Jabajaba [2499335]

https://youtu.be/wiGp2mvFLY0?si=8Zpff8zSJ2Ch5eTy

Have a listen to this chap - International law should be followed at all times, no excuses. Genocide is genocide, simple as that.

Hamas should be able to be removed without bombing innocent people or telling 2m civilians to "move" in 24 hours...

I am personally appalled by the UK and US stance on all of this - the nations that troll around the world claiming to be morally superior to everyone else, only until they decide that it is in their interest to back an ally that is commiting horrendous war crimes.

This is not anything to do with religion. You just need to be a human being to see that the innocent people killed in Israel by hamas is wrong and the backlash on innocent civilians in Palestine is wrong.

deadalus29 [2536273]

What genocide are you refereeing to? to the negative "genocide" (AKA - positive growth rate) the Palestinians are currently experiencing?
The international laws clearly states that killing civilians is OK, in certain cases (which, needless to say, happens at the Gaza strip)

How Hamas can be removed without bombing (also) innocent people? Please answer with practical tactical solution which will not result in more innocents death and allow Israel to win the war which was forced upon it.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

How about the root cause of Hamas? How they came into being and why? Because last I checked, you remove cancer not by shooting and bombing nearby patients, doctors, hospitals, mosques, bakeries, homes, refugee camps and churches. If that's how you would treat cancer, you'd run out of business soon enough unless you have Biden on your side, falling with every step he takes.

There is only one genocide currently being discussed. And no one will say that it's the Zionists because they are apparently defending themselves from children and women based on their murder rate. Wrong way to remove Hamas if you ask me. That's like removing every other cell but the cancer cell.

But then again, I wouldn't know. I haven't read the Hamas charter or the Zionist charter.

Collete [1389080]

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror

• Estimates suggest some of Hamas's leaders have a net worth in the billions
• Israel and other critics accuse the group of spending money on luxuries instead of helping the people of Gaza

And while the majority of citizens in the densely populated territory - which is a quarter of the size of Greater London - languish in poverty, a select few live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels.
According to the Embassy of Israel in the US, three of Hamas's most senior leaders - Mousa Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - have net worths of more than $3billion each. The embassy also claims that Hamas's annual turnover is $1billion and suggests the group is second only to ISIS as the world's richest terror group.






Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (far right) is seen on a private plane with other senior Hamas officials









Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (centre) pictured in a luxury hotel with two of his sons


In a video, the Embassy of Israel in the US accused the group of using its funds for building tunnels and arming its fighters rather than building vital infrastructure such as wells and water treatment.
A study from 2021 suggested that about one-quarter of disease spread in the territory is caused by water pollution, and 12 per cent of deaths of young children are due to infections related to contaminated water.
'While Gazans are deprived of basic needs, Hamas uses aid and funds to line their own pockets,' the embassy said in a post on X (formerly Twitter).
Israel has also said Hamas continues to attack across the border without building civilian bomb shelters, knowing the Israeli military will retaliate.
Instead, Israel says Hamas's leadership hoards its wealth, uses Palestinians as human shields and allows the population it claims to govern go hungry.
According to German news outlet Bild, there are four Hamas officials who have grown particularly wealthy over the years - the trio of Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - as well as a fourth named Younis Qafisheh.



Haniyeh is believed to be the richest of the three - despite once vowing to live only on olive oil and za'atar spice.
A 61-year-old father of 13 children, Haniyeh has been in hiding since 2019, living the high-life in luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey.
German tabloid Bild reports that he often jets between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in his private jet to meet leaders in friendly nations, and two of his sons Maaz and Abdel Salam are often seen in Instagram posts lounging on hotel beds in Istanbul or Doha.
Maaz, who is a very wealthy real estate mogul in his own right, is known on the Gaza Strip as the 'father of houses'. When he's in Turkey, he is often seen in the company of attractive women and alcohol, despite his Islamic faith.
His brother Abdel Salam, meanwhile, was disgraced after being found to be siphoning off money in his role as sports ambassador for Hamas's 'Shura Council' (Politburo), Bild says.
The publication estimates his net worth to be $2.5million, while the Israeli embassy to the US suggested it was as much as $3.2billion. Another publication, i24News, wrote last month that his wealth could be as high as $5billion.
Khaled Mashal, 67, is the former head of Hamas's political bureau.
He fled Damascus to escape the Arab Spring in Syria and, like Haniyeh, is now living in Qatar. From there, he handles real estate and financial transactions for Hamas.
When he fled Syria, Bild reports, he is said to have taken $1.5billion from Hamas's headquarters in Damascus. Israel's US embassy puts his net worth at $4billion.
Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72, is another Hamas high-flyer. He is considered the second in command within the group, and is a foreign minister of sorts.
After spending 14 years in the US - where he was in 1995 arrested for activities supporting terrorism and deported after two years - he moved to Jordan, then to Syria and then to Cairo in 2012.
Despite his arrest, he kept hold of his money, and today Bild reported his fortune is estimated at $2billion, while the Israeli embassy to the US puts it higher, at $3billion.
Younis Qafisheh, 67, is a fourth Hamas official highlighted by Bild for his immense wealth.








One of Haniyeh's sons is seen posing for an Instagram photo in a luxury hotel







Haniyeh's sons and other Hamas officials enjoy themselves in a luxury hotel

Despite its accumulation of wealth, however, Hamas has avoided responsibility for building infrastructure and protecting the citizens of Gaza.
In fact, just last week, Abu Marzouk declared that the political bureau of the terror group is not responsible for protecting the coastal strip's civilians amid the ongoing Israeli bombardment of the territory.
'We built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being killed in airstrikes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels,' he said.
Passing the buck further, he added: 'Seventy-five per cent of the population of Gaza are refugees, and it is the UN's responsibility to protect them.'
According to the Times of Israel, he then went on to claim that it was Israel's obligation to provide for the needs of Gazans under the Geneva Convention.
While all the sources of Hamas's income may remain unknown, one thing is certain: the group will not be diverting its funds to help the civilians of Gaza, who with each passing day are slipping deeper and deeper into a humanitarian crisis.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html

Seba_Nile [1782274]

Are you being f king serious right now, I knew you copied and pasted web pages without verifying before but these images have been exposed as AI generated you knob.

https://twitter.com/SaketGokhale/status/1715622040005165081?lang=en-GB

zoom in for yourself, how does one guys hand go through a chair whilst the other has 6 fingers?
israel has been exposed of using AI generated images to pass their lies

Asbestos [2605613]

You copy/paste web pages without reading too. I’ve found some of the source pages that you’ve taken out or context (like the Wikipedia timeline of Jerusalem page).


Pot, meet kettle.


Again, you are ridiculous.

Seba_Nile [1782274]

I’ve never used a timeline from Wikipedia. Why do you have to lie?
By the looks of your profile, it seems you have gone crazy. We are obviously getting to you.

Asbestos [2605613]

Of course you did. It was this one. You are fooling no one with your weird post edits and gaslighting.

Jabajaba [2499335]

https://youtu.be/wiGp2mvFLY0?si=8Zpff8zSJ2Ch5eTy

Have a listen to this chap - International law should be followed at all times, no excuses. Genocide is genocide, simple as that.

Hamas should be able to be removed without bombing innocent people or telling 2m civilians to "move" in 24 hours...

I am personally appalled by the UK and US stance on all of this - the nations that troll around the world claiming to be morally superior to everyone else, only until they decide that it is in their interest to back an ally that is commiting horrendous war crimes.

This is not anything to do with religion. You just need to be a human being to see that the innocent people killed in Israel by hamas is wrong and the backlash on innocent civilians in Palestine is wrong.

deadalus29 [2536273]

What genocide are you refereeing to? to the negative "genocide" (AKA - positive growth rate) the Palestinians are currently experiencing?
The international laws clearly states that killing civilians is OK, in certain cases (which, needless to say, happens at the Gaza strip)

How Hamas can be removed without bombing (also) innocent people? Please answer with practical tactical solution which will not result in more innocents death and allow Israel to win the war which was forced upon it.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

How about the root cause of Hamas? How they came into being and why? Because last I checked, you remove cancer not by shooting and bombing nearby patients, doctors, hospitals, mosques, bakeries, homes, refugee camps and churches. If that's how you would treat cancer, you'd run out of business soon enough unless you have Biden on your side, falling with every step he takes.

There is only one genocide currently being discussed. And no one will say that it's the Zionists because they are apparently defending themselves from children and women based on their murder rate. Wrong way to remove Hamas if you ask me. That's like removing every other cell but the cancer cell.

But then again, I wouldn't know. I haven't read the Hamas charter or the Zionist charter.

deadalus29 [2536273]

I have no idea what you are talking about, but your cancer example is great - when you treat cancer you have to damage healthy cells as well.

You dont call a doctor who cut out healthy cells along with the cancerous cell a mutilator, so you shouldnt call Israel, who kills innocents along with cancerous Hamas terrorists murderers

Collete [1389080]

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror

• Estimates suggest some of Hamas's leaders have a net worth in the billions
• Israel and other critics accuse the group of spending money on luxuries instead of helping the people of Gaza

And while the majority of citizens in the densely populated territory - which is a quarter of the size of Greater London - languish in poverty, a select few live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels.
According to the Embassy of Israel in the US, three of Hamas's most senior leaders - Mousa Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - have net worths of more than $3billion each. The embassy also claims that Hamas's annual turnover is $1billion and suggests the group is second only to ISIS as the world's richest terror group.






Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (far right) is seen on a private plane with other senior Hamas officials









Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (centre) pictured in a luxury hotel with two of his sons


In a video, the Embassy of Israel in the US accused the group of using its funds for building tunnels and arming its fighters rather than building vital infrastructure such as wells and water treatment.
A study from 2021 suggested that about one-quarter of disease spread in the territory is caused by water pollution, and 12 per cent of deaths of young children are due to infections related to contaminated water.
'While Gazans are deprived of basic needs, Hamas uses aid and funds to line their own pockets,' the embassy said in a post on X (formerly Twitter).
Israel has also said Hamas continues to attack across the border without building civilian bomb shelters, knowing the Israeli military will retaliate.
Instead, Israel says Hamas's leadership hoards its wealth, uses Palestinians as human shields and allows the population it claims to govern go hungry.
According to German news outlet Bild, there are four Hamas officials who have grown particularly wealthy over the years - the trio of Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - as well as a fourth named Younis Qafisheh.



Haniyeh is believed to be the richest of the three - despite once vowing to live only on olive oil and za'atar spice.
A 61-year-old father of 13 children, Haniyeh has been in hiding since 2019, living the high-life in luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey.
German tabloid Bild reports that he often jets between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in his private jet to meet leaders in friendly nations, and two of his sons Maaz and Abdel Salam are often seen in Instagram posts lounging on hotel beds in Istanbul or Doha.
Maaz, who is a very wealthy real estate mogul in his own right, is known on the Gaza Strip as the 'father of houses'. When he's in Turkey, he is often seen in the company of attractive women and alcohol, despite his Islamic faith.
His brother Abdel Salam, meanwhile, was disgraced after being found to be siphoning off money in his role as sports ambassador for Hamas's 'Shura Council' (Politburo), Bild says.
The publication estimates his net worth to be $2.5million, while the Israeli embassy to the US suggested it was as much as $3.2billion. Another publication, i24News, wrote last month that his wealth could be as high as $5billion.
Khaled Mashal, 67, is the former head of Hamas's political bureau.
He fled Damascus to escape the Arab Spring in Syria and, like Haniyeh, is now living in Qatar. From there, he handles real estate and financial transactions for Hamas.
When he fled Syria, Bild reports, he is said to have taken $1.5billion from Hamas's headquarters in Damascus. Israel's US embassy puts his net worth at $4billion.
Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72, is another Hamas high-flyer. He is considered the second in command within the group, and is a foreign minister of sorts.
After spending 14 years in the US - where he was in 1995 arrested for activities supporting terrorism and deported after two years - he moved to Jordan, then to Syria and then to Cairo in 2012.
Despite his arrest, he kept hold of his money, and today Bild reported his fortune is estimated at $2billion, while the Israeli embassy to the US puts it higher, at $3billion.
Younis Qafisheh, 67, is a fourth Hamas official highlighted by Bild for his immense wealth.








One of Haniyeh's sons is seen posing for an Instagram photo in a luxury hotel







Haniyeh's sons and other Hamas officials enjoy themselves in a luxury hotel

Despite its accumulation of wealth, however, Hamas has avoided responsibility for building infrastructure and protecting the citizens of Gaza.
In fact, just last week, Abu Marzouk declared that the political bureau of the terror group is not responsible for protecting the coastal strip's civilians amid the ongoing Israeli bombardment of the territory.
'We built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being killed in airstrikes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels,' he said.
Passing the buck further, he added: 'Seventy-five per cent of the population of Gaza are refugees, and it is the UN's responsibility to protect them.'
According to the Times of Israel, he then went on to claim that it was Israel's obligation to provide for the needs of Gazans under the Geneva Convention.
While all the sources of Hamas's income may remain unknown, one thing is certain: the group will not be diverting its funds to help the civilians of Gaza, who with each passing day are slipping deeper and deeper into a humanitarian crisis.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html

Seba_Nile [1782274]

Are you being f king serious right now, I knew you copied and pasted web pages without verifying before but these images have been exposed as AI generated you knob.

https://twitter.com/SaketGokhale/status/1715622040005165081?lang=en-GB

zoom in for yourself, how does one guys hand go through a chair whilst the other has 6 fingers?
israel has been exposed of using AI generated images to pass their lies

Asbestos [2605613]

You copy/paste web pages without reading too. I’ve found some of the source pages that you’ve taken out or context (like the Wikipedia timeline of Jerusalem page).


Pot, meet kettle.


Again, you are ridiculous.

Seba_Nile [1782274]

I’ve never used a timeline from Wikipedia. Why do you have to lie?
By the looks of your profile, it seems you have gone crazy. We are obviously getting to you.

Asbestos [2605613]

Of course you did. It was this one. You are fooling no one with your weird post edits and gaslighting.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Please quote my consistent posts about killing one side and prove to everyone on Torn that I am pro-genocide. Please, I am begging.

Yes, it will be worth the time. Now Please quote all I said about killing and committing genocide against the zionists.

This is a war that Hamas started only if you go back 31 days. Go further back. Go to to West Bank where there is no Hamas. Your facts are just as messed up as you are.

How do you know what Hamas exactly wants? Based on their actions? If we use that same method, what do you think the zionists want?

If Hamas wants Palestinians to die, why don't they do it without getting the zionists involved? And why are the zionists involved in killing the Palestinians?

On another irrelevant note; do you think up all this shit because think out of your ass? I hear laxatives help clear up and ease your bowel movements. Try it. Maybe your thinking out of the ass won't be this shitty then.

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Vernunzio [730674]

You spoke positively of the death of Jewish civilians because you want dead Jews, and you spoke positively of the death of Palestinian civilians because you want more martyrs to justify trying to kill more Jews, all while bragging about winning a war that you are clearly not winning. I'm not going to read your word vomit a second time in order to quote it, or so that you can say the words don't mean what they obviously mean.

31 days is nonsense. The conflict has tragically been perpetuated by cynical and exploitative leaders on both sides, and by an endless cycle of vengeance, but it started over 75 years ago when Israel committed the sin in your eyes of daring to exist.

Hamas and its supporters have grown so complacent in their lies being believed that you have just asked me to prove something that is in Hamas's charter.

Have a nice day and I hope all of us can find peace.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

No to all that baseless crap YOU VOMITED which I read and will respond to. I only spoke positively about the 10k Palestinians the zionists killed. If you see anything else, you're hallucinating.

Never said that we are winning. I said we WILL win even in death. Whether YOUR zionist army kills us or not, we will win. JUST WATCH.

Not very smart, are you? Who reads and then cries because they have to read again to quote? Read while quoting, DUH!

31 days isn't nonsense. Unless you can't count. Oct 7th to November 7th. Who perpetuated the conflict plays absolutely no role on the duration. IDIOT.

Yup, all this started when the zionists were given a land that didn't belong to them. Sin wasn't existing like you so arrogantly put it. Sin was taking what wasnt theirs. History, mate. Read up. I promise you that you won't have to quote it. Just read and educate your, with all due respect, dumbass.

Yeah, Hamas this Hamas that. Sleep well blaming Hamas for the genocide. Peace doesn't come by hoping to find it when you're being bombed 24/7. Shame your medias don't tell you that. BOT.

Also, you still haven't proven your accusations. You keep running in circles avoiding proving your claim that I support killing.

Vernunzio [730674]

What is there to prove? You've said it yourself. And also asked me to prove what it literally says in Hamas's charter.

This is the game you propagandists play. Demand I prove everything over and over again, yet the proof is never enough. Hamas claims it didn't kill any women and children on Oct. 7 when Israel has 45 minutes of video from the terrorist's own GoPro cameras that left reporters physically sick and in tears. This is how accustomed Hamas is to having its lies believed. This is how dumb and blind Hamas thinks the people believing its lies are.

If Israel's sin was taking land that wasn't theirs, then Palestinians committed the same sin, because the Palestinians obviously weren't there first.

But I don't think any of the people there have sinned just for living on the land. I think both sides have shed enough blood and should share the land via a two-state solution. That is not Zionism, though you keep calling me Zionist in an attempt to dehumanize and dismiss what I say.

Smilin-Assassin [965750]

Stop with the questions. Prove I have been calling out for the deaths of zionists.

And what is this Hamas charter do you keep going on and on about?

Kindky, shut the f**k up and prove what you are saying. That's how arguments go. You back the shit with proof or you're wasting my time and everyone else's by your bullshit.

I never said Hamas didn't kill anyone in the music festival. What I said was that this war didn't a month ago. It started when the zionists took the land and homes of the Palestinians. It started when the occupiers occupied land that didn't belong to them.

The Arabs were there long before the zionists showed up. And there were jews there too. If you're calling it a sin for living on a land, your moral compass is messed up beyond recognition. The Palestinians there before the zionists didnt take someone else's land by killing them and expelling 700,000 people and then destroying 500 villages for the settlers.

Get your facts straight. There is no propaganda here except you trying to prove the innocence of the zionists who have been occupying someone else's land for 75 years.

Td3h [1785428]

There you go, Hamas founding charter.

Highlights include in:
Article 3: Call to Jihad
Article 6: Call to make Palestine a muslim ethnostate, denouncing atheists
Article 7: Genocide of jews
Article 8: Call to jihad and celebrating death for the sake of it
Article 13: Denouncing all attempts at peaceful resolution, another call to Jihad

... lots more about how amazing islam is, jihad is fantastic and so on. I honestly got bored reading it. Looking at the way you have been arguing in bad faith or malicious ignorance I doubt it will change your mind. But here is a primary source about the real goals of hamas and their intentions towards jews and non-muslims.

Looking at the current conflict there is no purely good side. But at least Israel views Gaza civilians as unfortunate collateral damage that happens in the process of defending their nation. It is plain to me that Hamas views them as human shields to hide behind and garner international attention with. Not to mention the targeted and explicit killing of Israeli civilians with no deeper strategic purpose.

Collete [1389080]

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror

• Estimates suggest some of Hamas's leaders have a net worth in the billions
• Israel and other critics accuse the group of spending money on luxuries instead of helping the people of Gaza

And while the majority of citizens in the densely populated territory - which is a quarter of the size of Greater London - languish in poverty, a select few live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels.
According to the Embassy of Israel in the US, three of Hamas's most senior leaders - Mousa Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - have net worths of more than $3billion each. The embassy also claims that Hamas's annual turnover is $1billion and suggests the group is second only to ISIS as the world's richest terror group.






Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (far right) is seen on a private plane with other senior Hamas officials









Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh (centre) pictured in a luxury hotel with two of his sons


In a video, the Embassy of Israel in the US accused the group of using its funds for building tunnels and arming its fighters rather than building vital infrastructure such as wells and water treatment.
A study from 2021 suggested that about one-quarter of disease spread in the territory is caused by water pollution, and 12 per cent of deaths of young children are due to infections related to contaminated water.
'While Gazans are deprived of basic needs, Hamas uses aid and funds to line their own pockets,' the embassy said in a post on X (formerly Twitter).
Israel has also said Hamas continues to attack across the border without building civilian bomb shelters, knowing the Israeli military will retaliate.
Instead, Israel says Hamas's leadership hoards its wealth, uses Palestinians as human shields and allows the population it claims to govern go hungry.
According to German news outlet Bild, there are four Hamas officials who have grown particularly wealthy over the years - the trio of Abu Marzouk, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh - as well as a fourth named Younis Qafisheh.



Haniyeh is believed to be the richest of the three - despite once vowing to live only on olive oil and za'atar spice.
A 61-year-old father of 13 children, Haniyeh has been in hiding since 2019, living the high-life in luxury hotels in Qatar and Turkey.
German tabloid Bild reports that he often jets between Tehran, Istanbul, Moscow and Cairo in his private jet to meet leaders in friendly nations, and two of his sons Maaz and Abdel Salam are often seen in Instagram posts lounging on hotel beds in Istanbul or Doha.
Maaz, who is a very wealthy real estate mogul in his own right, is known on the Gaza Strip as the 'father of houses'. When he's in Turkey, he is often seen in the company of attractive women and alcohol, despite his Islamic faith.
His brother Abdel Salam, meanwhile, was disgraced after being found to be siphoning off money in his role as sports ambassador for Hamas's 'Shura Council' (Politburo), Bild says.
The publication estimates his net worth to be $2.5million, while the Israeli embassy to the US suggested it was as much as $3.2billion. Another publication, i24News, wrote last month that his wealth could be as high as $5billion.
Khaled Mashal, 67, is the former head of Hamas's political bureau.
He fled Damascus to escape the Arab Spring in Syria and, like Haniyeh, is now living in Qatar. From there, he handles real estate and financial transactions for Hamas.
When he fled Syria, Bild reports, he is said to have taken $1.5billion from Hamas's headquarters in Damascus. Israel's US embassy puts his net worth at $4billion.
Mousa Abu Marzouk, 72, is another Hamas high-flyer. He is considered the second in command within the group, and is a foreign minister of sorts.
After spending 14 years in the US - where he was in 1995 arrested for activities supporting terrorism and deported after two years - he moved to Jordan, then to Syria and then to Cairo in 2012.
Despite his arrest, he kept hold of his money, and today Bild reported his fortune is estimated at $2billion, while the Israeli embassy to the US puts it higher, at $3billion.
Younis Qafisheh, 67, is a fourth Hamas official highlighted by Bild for his immense wealth.








One of Haniyeh's sons is seen posing for an Instagram photo in a luxury hotel







Haniyeh's sons and other Hamas officials enjoy themselves in a luxury hotel

Despite its accumulation of wealth, however, Hamas has avoided responsibility for building infrastructure and protecting the citizens of Gaza.
In fact, just last week, Abu Marzouk declared that the political bureau of the terror group is not responsible for protecting the coastal strip's civilians amid the ongoing Israeli bombardment of the territory.
'We built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being killed in airstrikes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels,' he said.
Passing the buck further, he added: 'Seventy-five per cent of the population of Gaza are refugees, and it is the UN's responsibility to protect them.'
According to the Times of Israel, he then went on to claim that it was Israel's obligation to provide for the needs of Gazans under the Geneva Convention.
While all the sources of Hamas's income may remain unknown, one thing is certain: the group will not be diverting its funds to help the civilians of Gaza, who with each passing day are slipping deeper and deeper into a humanitarian crisis.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12706715/Hamas-terrorist-billionaires-live-marble-floored-mansions.html

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Seba_Nile [1782274]

Are you being f king serious right now, I knew you copied and pasted web pages without verifying before but these images have been exposed as AI generated you knob.

https://twitter.com/SaketGokhale/status/1715622040005165081?lang=en-GB

zoom in for yourself, how does one guys hand go through a chair whilst the other has 6 fingers?
israel has been exposed of using AI generated images to pass their lies

Asbestos [2605613]

You copy/paste web pages without reading too. I’ve found some of the source pages that you’ve taken out or context (like the Wikipedia timeline of Jerusalem page).


Pot, meet kettle.


Again, you are ridiculous.

Seba_Nile [1782274]

I’ve never used a timeline from Wikipedia. Why do you have to lie?
By the looks of your profile, it seems you have gone crazy. We are obviously getting to you.

Asbestos [2605613]

Of course you did. It was this one. You are fooling no one with your weird post edits and gaslighting.

Seba_Nile [1782274]

You stupid idiot, I didn’t post that, another torn player did, this is the timeline I posted.

For 3500 years - in what is called the Proto-Canaaite period, Jerusalem belonged to the Canaanites who worshipped many gods and goddesses. It wasn't until 2000 BC do scholars find a reference that debatably refers to Jerusalem. The word is 'Rusalimum' in texts of Egypts middle kingdom. Scholars believe that the name is consecration to 'shalim' a Canaanite deity of the netherworld from Ugaritic scriptures.

The territory passed from the Canaanites to the Egyptians, ultimately. So here we have the Egyptians and Canaanites being the original inhabitants of Jerusalem for 3500 years before the Jews ever conquered it.

Jerusalem was taken by King David in 1010BC and lost to the Egyptians in 925BC. Jehoash of Israel briefly recaptured it in 786 BC but then lost it to the Assyrians in 740BC. That's just 131 years, just about as long as the Crusaders' rule of Jerusalem in the Middle Ages.

The Jewish Hasmoneans re-took it in 140BC under Simon Thassi but then lost it to the Persian Seleucides in 134. Thats 6 more years of Jewish rule. Due to a Selucid civil war, Judeah incidentally became independent in the chaos in 116BC. In 87BC the Jewish Hasmonean king executed 800 Jews for sedition. In 47BC they lost Jerusalem again, this time to the Romans. Thats 69 years of rule. In total, off and on the Jews rules Jerusalem for MAYBE 206 years.

• The pre-constantine romans rules it for 250 years.
• The christian Byzantines rules it for 304 years.
• The Muslims rules it under the Rashidun, Umayyid and Abbasid empires for 332 years.
• The Fatimids rules it for 129 years.
• The crusaders took it from the Muslims and held it for 88 years.
• The Muslim ruler Saladin conquered it in 1187 and his descendants held it for 63 years.
• The Muslim Mamluk Empire ruled it for 236 years.
• The Ottomans rules it for 401 years.
• Thats 206 years of Jewish rule
• 392 years of Christian rule (where jews were expelled)
• 800+ years of Muslim rule (where all 3 religions lived peacefully)

SO NO, Jews are not the original inhabitants of the land.

Canaanites? Oops. The bible says god oredered them exterminated to extinction in a genocide that included many other unfortunate nations.
"Completely destroy them -- the hittiess, amorites, canaanites, perizzites, hivites and jebusites -- as the LORD your God has commanded you". [Deuteronomy 20:17]

Some Canaanites survived the Israelite genocide, who are they? Present day Lebanese derive their ancestry from Canaanite related populations. So Lebanese people are scientifically and genetically proven to be the original dwellers of not only Jerusalem but all of Palestine so the argument should pretty much end there.

And as Palestinian people are a religous confederation of Christians and Muslims, both consistently at peace with each other, that puts their birthright to it at 1200 combines years nearly a thousand years longer than jews ever reigned Jerusalem.

And like it always has been throughout Islamic history, the Jews are welcomed to stay there, but as co-inhabitants with their Christian and Muslim neighbours. No barbedwired walls, no soldiers shooting kids, no apartheid separating Palestinians from Jews, no stealing peoples homes like bandits.