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    Adultery [2274232]

    The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
    Some examples follow:

    Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

    Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."


    Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush


    He says it in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    I heard Allah's Apostle
    [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

    Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
    Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    daprinceomar [2125322]




    I hope this helps your understand. Please watch with open mind.

    Adultery [2274232]

    Yea, no lol. Irrelevant video.

    In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: ???? taq?yah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice.[1][3][4][5] Generally, taqiya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal.[6]
    Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by Muslims of virtually all persuasions.[7] However, the use of Taqiyyah varies, especially between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Sunni Muslims gained political supremacy over time and therefore only occasionally found the need to practice Taqiyyah. On the other hand, the minority Shiah community developed taqiyyah as an instinctive method of self-preservation and protection in hostile environments.[8]
    A related term is Kitm?n (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[9][10]
    This practice is emphasized in Shi'ism whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][11]
    Taqiyya was initially practiced under duress by some of Muhammad's companions.[12] Later, it became particularly important for Shias due to their experience as a persecuted religious minority.[11][13] According to Shia doctrine, taqiyya is permissible in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[11] Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics.[14][15]
    Yarden Mariuma, sociologist at Columbia University, writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes.”[16]

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    Jizya (Arabic: ??????? jizyah / ?izyah [d???zjæ]) is a per capita yearly taxation historically levied in the form of financial charge on dhimmis, that is, permanent non-Muslim subjects of a state governed by Islamic law.[1][2][3] The Quran and hadiths mention jizya without specifying its rate or amount,[4] and the application of jizya varied in the course of Islamic history. However, scholars largely agree that early Muslim rulers adapted existing systems of taxation and tribute that were established under previous rulers of the conquered lands, such as those of the Byzantine and Sasanian empires.[5][6][7][8][9]
    Historically, the jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims' submission to the Muslim state and its laws.[10][11][12] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[13] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[14][15][16][17][18] and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[14][5] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were also exempted from payment,[1][15][19][20][21][22] as were those who could not afford to pay.[15][23][24] According to Islamic law, elders, handicapped etc, must be given pensions, and they must not go into begging.
    Together with khar?j, a term that was sometimes used interchangeably with jizya,[25][26][27] taxes levied on non-Muslim subjects were among the main sources of revenues collected by some Islamic polities, such as the Ottoman Empire and Indian Muslim Sultanates.[28] Jizya rate was usually a fixed annual amount depending on the financial capability of the payer.[29] Sources comparing taxes levied on Muslims and jizya differ as to their relative burden depending on time, place, specific taxes under consideration, and other factors.[1][30][31]
    The term appears in the Quran referring to a tax or tribute from People of the Book, specifically Jews and Christians. Followers of other religions like Zoroastrians and Hindus too were later integrated into the category of dhimmis and required to pay jizya. In the Indian Subcontinent the practice stopped by the 18th century with Muslim rulers losing their kingdoms to the British East India Company. It almost vanished during the 20th century with the disappearance of Islamic states and the spread of religious tolerance.[32] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[33][34] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[32][35][36]
    Did you really just copy and paste some Wikipedia to fit your narrative?

    Also irrelevant?? you didnt watch it then. Taking quotes out of context from the Quran. literally explains what all that you just posted was about.


    anyway


    Taqiya


    Surah 9:5



    For all those other verses you picked and chose

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    Posted on 20:01:46 - 16/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    You all remember that big pro israel rally in Washington??


    This organization paid out about 10 million in total, $250 each person, to have students come out to join the protests.. PAYING FOR PROTESTORS????
    I swear you cant make this up even if you tried. LMFAO



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    Adultery [2274232]

    The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
    Some examples follow:

    Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

    Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."


    Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush


    He says it in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    I heard Allah's Apostle
    [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

    Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
    Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    daprinceomar [2125322]




    I hope this helps your understand. Please watch with open mind.

    Adultery [2274232]

    Yea, no lol. Irrelevant video.

    In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: ???? taq?yah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice.[1][3][4][5] Generally, taqiya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal.[6]
    Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by Muslims of virtually all persuasions.[7] However, the use of Taqiyyah varies, especially between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Sunni Muslims gained political supremacy over time and therefore only occasionally found the need to practice Taqiyyah. On the other hand, the minority Shiah community developed taqiyyah as an instinctive method of self-preservation and protection in hostile environments.[8]
    A related term is Kitm?n (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[9][10]
    This practice is emphasized in Shi'ism whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][11]
    Taqiyya was initially practiced under duress by some of Muhammad's companions.[12] Later, it became particularly important for Shias due to their experience as a persecuted religious minority.[11][13] According to Shia doctrine, taqiyya is permissible in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[11] Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics.[14][15]
    Yarden Mariuma, sociologist at Columbia University, writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes.”[16]

    -----------------------------------


    Jizya (Arabic: ??????? jizyah / ?izyah [d???zjæ]) is a per capita yearly taxation historically levied in the form of financial charge on dhimmis, that is, permanent non-Muslim subjects of a state governed by Islamic law.[1][2][3] The Quran and hadiths mention jizya without specifying its rate or amount,[4] and the application of jizya varied in the course of Islamic history. However, scholars largely agree that early Muslim rulers adapted existing systems of taxation and tribute that were established under previous rulers of the conquered lands, such as those of the Byzantine and Sasanian empires.[5][6][7][8][9]
    Historically, the jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims' submission to the Muslim state and its laws.[10][11][12] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[13] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[14][15][16][17][18] and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[14][5] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were also exempted from payment,[1][15][19][20][21][22] as were those who could not afford to pay.[15][23][24] According to Islamic law, elders, handicapped etc, must be given pensions, and they must not go into begging.
    Together with khar?j, a term that was sometimes used interchangeably with jizya,[25][26][27] taxes levied on non-Muslim subjects were among the main sources of revenues collected by some Islamic polities, such as the Ottoman Empire and Indian Muslim Sultanates.[28] Jizya rate was usually a fixed annual amount depending on the financial capability of the payer.[29] Sources comparing taxes levied on Muslims and jizya differ as to their relative burden depending on time, place, specific taxes under consideration, and other factors.[1][30][31]
    The term appears in the Quran referring to a tax or tribute from People of the Book, specifically Jews and Christians. Followers of other religions like Zoroastrians and Hindus too were later integrated into the category of dhimmis and required to pay jizya. In the Indian Subcontinent the practice stopped by the 18th century with Muslim rulers losing their kingdoms to the British East India Company. It almost vanished during the 20th century with the disappearance of Islamic states and the spread of religious tolerance.[32] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[33][34] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[32][35][36]

    daprinceomar [2125322]

    Did you really just copy and paste some Wikipedia to fit your narrative?

    Also irrelevant?? you didnt watch it then. Taking quotes out of context from the Quran. literally explains what all that you just posted was about.


    anyway


    Taqiya


    Surah 9:5



    For all those other verses you picked and chose

    Im not watching your silly videos of someone bullshitting just because your too lazy to speak. I posted from wiki the beliefs of a religion who doesnt hold accountability to their own beliefs. They will say anything to get pitty to forward the hateful agenda they hold.

    When ishmael and esau stop, Jacob will stop. Until then israel will keep defending themselves and be blessed while doing so. From the ONE god.

    There has never been a palestine. And the god of abraham moses and Isaac gave that land to israel. Not squatters.
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    How it goes:
    1) Status quo: occupation/ apartheid is violence against Palestinians

    2) Then Israel escalates through evictions/ beatings/ shootings

    3) Then some Palestinians respond w/ violence (as they should to protect themselves and as any sane person should/ would, further more read UN resolution 3246 which asserts the right to armed resistance).

    4) Then Israel "responds" w/ massacres.

    If you start reporting at #3, you are misleading your audience
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    Released documents reveal that former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres filed a request to become a Palestinian citizen during the British Mandate period. A full highlight on his request for refuge in Palestine and to become a Palestinian citizen can be found here

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    Posted on 20:31:58 - 16/11/23 (1 year ago)
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    If anybody is wondering, this is what apartheid looks like:

    Even animals are divided by Israel's Wall and occupation threats to the local environment



    Having to climb ladders to go to school:


    This is what apartheid looks like, smaller roads for Palestinians, bigger ones for israelis:


    This is what apartheid looks like:


    The streets in the heart of Hebron, the Palestinian people had to erect cages to cover their streets to protect themselves from missiles, acid and faeces being dropped by israelis who occupy the upper floors of the buildings.



    Not to forget when israel detained a kid with down syndrome:

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    On the wall: "We start to speak "Arabic" Welcome to hell". Gaza chose Hamas, and Hamas chose war. Hamas called for total genocide of Israel. We know who says that want to kill us we believe that they want to kill us. 2 million Arab Muslims are happy to live in Israel.

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    Nope, Hamas did not call for any genocide. Hamas called for you f**ks to get off their land and give them back what you took. And only a fraction is what you can give back, considering the millions of Palestinians you have killed over the past 75 years. You say Hamas called for total genocide when it is YOUR ZIONIST ARMY that is killing everyone without discrimination and calling everyone terrorists.

    2 million Arab Muslims are not happy to live in Israel because Israel does not exist on anything but on the dead bodies of those they murdered to create their pretentious nation. Pretend all you like, idiot. Your zionists have already lost billions and more loss to come. What you're witnessing the moments right before they topple over. Enjoy it while it lasts.

    Zachjuv [2015134]

    Can I ask you a question?

    What do you think makes a country a country?

    I can't imagine any definition of a country that would include palestine and exclude israel.

    Smilin-Assassin [965750]

    That's a very good question. I like how you are trying to think. Perhaps might one day, you might be able to see through all this media bullshit if you keep using your own head and eyes and seeking the truth with an open mind.

    On to answering your question; But before that, I have a question of my own.

    Do you think that the definition of a country would make the zionist nations' atrocities towards the people of Palestine any different? Because, the land the Zionists were shown as their "plot of land" to live in, it was someone else's land. People were living there. Even if Palestine were under the Brits, it still was the Palestinians' land. There were people living there creating all sorts of hell for the Brits. Which apparently is why the Brits gave up and decided to go back to their own country. And to begin with, that land wasn't theirs to give. This means, the beginning of what is now known as Israel is wrong. Just like the Chagos issue.

    As for what a country is, It's a group of people who call a plot of land theirs and take ownership of it. But this plot of land, if it belongs to someone else, they will always be the occupying force there until they kill or expel everyone from that territory or do some other barbaric act of erasing whatever and whoever was there before them. Making sense? Hope it does. Of not, search the Geneva Conventions and its laws that the Zionists are breaking.

    Zachjuv [2015134]

    Being a country or not doesn't change anything about atrocities. If all we care about is a list of atrocities then that should put us both firmly on no ones side and there's no reason to give either a second thought.

    Ud have to be 75 years old to even been born and nearly 95 to have been an adult in 1948. Will it change anything in the next 10ish years when the last participant from Israel's founding is gone?

    I understand why palestinians wouldn't want to give up and why they will likely never change their minds on this. It seems to me palestinians could have gaza and most of, if not all, of the west bank to build something of their own if they could find a way to peace. Unfortunately they seem committed to throwing themselves at israel and losing 10 for every 1 they kill until there is no one left.

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    Being a country or not doesn't change anything about atrocities. If all we care about is a list of atrocities then that should put us both firmly on no ones side and there's no reason to give either a second thought.
    How about the side that is losing its children in thousands? Counting 5000 plus now. How about that side? How about the side that has been facing genocide for decades living in less than ideal conditions?

    Mate, I am a Muslim. We were taught better than to kill everyone who is not us. We were taught to help the oppressor and the oppressed. And right now, Biden is "helping" the oppressor while no one is helping the oppressed in a manner that actually changes anything. Not even the f**king Saudis. The Muslims these days love the world way too much and fear death way too much and that is why we are in a sad state. Even myself included.

    I know that I am not even putting a dent in these arguments. But do you know how heartless and gutless one has to be to take the side of the oppressor (IOF) and to arm him/them against civilians (Palestinians) when it is with a 100 percent guarantee that more civilians will die than anyone else (Hamas combatants) if they were to be bombed? Because to bomb 40k combatants underground, IOF is bombing everything and everyone. To kill 40k combatants, they are bombing 2.2 million people. Do the math.
    Ud have to be 75 years old to even been born and nearly 95 to have been an adult in 1948. Will it change anything in the next 10ish years when the last participant from Israel's founding is gone?
    I see no relevance to the topic at hand.

    Unfortunately they seem committed to throwing themselves at israel and losing 10 for every 1 they kill until there is no one left.
    So what do you suggest they do? Go back into their cells and stay there silently? Don't fight for their rights? Ignore the settlers that kill them for fun? The settlers and the IOF that target them for practice?
    Those days are going to come to an end. Things will settle. And there will be a clear winner.
    What about them?

    Not sure what you being Muslim has to do with anything. Or what muslims were taught.

    The reality is it doesn't much matter what you do, your leaders profit from your suffering and as long as Hamas is f**king around in Gaza no one is going to stop Israel in the westbank
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    doesnt the following video remind you of nazi germany?


    Israel assaulting food delivery guy. Comparison to something that happened in Europe not so long ago?


    israel gloating about shooting Palestinian child in the head:
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    Adultery [2274232]

    The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
    Some examples follow:

    Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

    Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."


    Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush


    He says it in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    I heard Allah's Apostle
    [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

    Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
    Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    daprinceomar [2125322]




    I hope this helps your understand. Please watch with open mind.

    Adultery [2274232]

    Yea, no lol. Irrelevant video.

    In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: ???? taq?yah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice.[1][3][4][5] Generally, taqiya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal.[6]
    Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by Muslims of virtually all persuasions.[7] However, the use of Taqiyyah varies, especially between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Sunni Muslims gained political supremacy over time and therefore only occasionally found the need to practice Taqiyyah. On the other hand, the minority Shiah community developed taqiyyah as an instinctive method of self-preservation and protection in hostile environments.[8]
    A related term is Kitm?n (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[9][10]
    This practice is emphasized in Shi'ism whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][11]
    Taqiyya was initially practiced under duress by some of Muhammad's companions.[12] Later, it became particularly important for Shias due to their experience as a persecuted religious minority.[11][13] According to Shia doctrine, taqiyya is permissible in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[11] Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics.[14][15]
    Yarden Mariuma, sociologist at Columbia University, writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes.”[16]

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    Jizya (Arabic: ??????? jizyah / ?izyah [d???zjæ]) is a per capita yearly taxation historically levied in the form of financial charge on dhimmis, that is, permanent non-Muslim subjects of a state governed by Islamic law.[1][2][3] The Quran and hadiths mention jizya without specifying its rate or amount,[4] and the application of jizya varied in the course of Islamic history. However, scholars largely agree that early Muslim rulers adapted existing systems of taxation and tribute that were established under previous rulers of the conquered lands, such as those of the Byzantine and Sasanian empires.[5][6][7][8][9]
    Historically, the jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims' submission to the Muslim state and its laws.[10][11][12] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[13] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[14][15][16][17][18] and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[14][5] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were also exempted from payment,[1][15][19][20][21][22] as were those who could not afford to pay.[15][23][24] According to Islamic law, elders, handicapped etc, must be given pensions, and they must not go into begging.
    Together with khar?j, a term that was sometimes used interchangeably with jizya,[25][26][27] taxes levied on non-Muslim subjects were among the main sources of revenues collected by some Islamic polities, such as the Ottoman Empire and Indian Muslim Sultanates.[28] Jizya rate was usually a fixed annual amount depending on the financial capability of the payer.[29] Sources comparing taxes levied on Muslims and jizya differ as to their relative burden depending on time, place, specific taxes under consideration, and other factors.[1][30][31]
    The term appears in the Quran referring to a tax or tribute from People of the Book, specifically Jews and Christians. Followers of other religions like Zoroastrians and Hindus too were later integrated into the category of dhimmis and required to pay jizya. In the Indian Subcontinent the practice stopped by the 18th century with Muslim rulers losing their kingdoms to the British East India Company. It almost vanished during the 20th century with the disappearance of Islamic states and the spread of religious tolerance.[32] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[33][34] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[32][35][36]

    daprinceomar [2125322]

    Did you really just copy and paste some Wikipedia to fit your narrative?

    Also irrelevant?? you didnt watch it then. Taking quotes out of context from the Quran. literally explains what all that you just posted was about.


    anyway


    Taqiya


    Surah 9:5



    For all those other verses you picked and chose

    Adultery [2274232]

    Im not watching your silly videos of someone bullshitting just because your too lazy to speak. I posted from wiki the beliefs of a religion who doesnt hold accountability to their own beliefs. They will say anything to get pitty to forward the hateful agenda they hold.

    When ishmael and esau stop, Jacob will stop. Until then israel will keep defending themselves and be blessed while doing so. From the ONE god.

    There has never been a palestine. And the god of abraham moses and Isaac gave that land to israel. Not squatters.
    You want me to respond myself to such things that 1.6 BILLION people of the world are a part of? I cant do it in a clear consise way, so I picked and choose actually Islamic scholars to those SPEICIFC things you called out. and your response is "im not watchign silly videos?"

    Clearly you are someone thats closed-minded. who doesnt wanna be present with facts of learn

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    FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA









    Anyway gotta love the nonstop BULLSHIT IDF and Israeli propaganda, everywhere in govt and media and online. And the constant sucking each other off when presented with logic and facts and exposed for the lies.


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    What river what sea? This slogan is for geographic cretinism. And simple call to genocide.
    We believe in your word and will do everything to protect our lives.
    Because we don't death cult like Hamas, no glory in the death of anyone.

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    So do you want to just agree that there are some assholes and some angry people (because they have lost loved ones) on both sides, and seek peace?

    Or would you prefer the genocide and/or forced displacement of 7+ million people.

    That's a rhetorical question. We all know what your answer is.

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    Nope, Hamas did not call for any genocide. Hamas called for you f**ks to get off their land and give them back what you took. And only a fraction is what you can give back, considering the millions of Palestinians you have killed over the past 75 years. You say Hamas called for total genocide when it is YOUR ZIONIST ARMY that is killing everyone without discrimination and calling everyone terrorists.

    2 million Arab Muslims are not happy to live in Israel because Israel does not exist on anything but on the dead bodies of those they murdered to create their pretentious nation. Pretend all you like, idiot. Your zionists have already lost billions and more loss to come. What you're witnessing the moments right before they topple over. Enjoy it while it lasts.

    Zachjuv [2015134]

    Can I ask you a question?

    What do you think makes a country a country?

    I can't imagine any definition of a country that would include palestine and exclude israel.

    Smilin-Assassin [965750]

    That's a very good question. I like how you are trying to think. Perhaps might one day, you might be able to see through all this media bullshit if you keep using your own head and eyes and seeking the truth with an open mind.

    On to answering your question; But before that, I have a question of my own.

    Do you think that the definition of a country would make the zionist nations' atrocities towards the people of Palestine any different? Because, the land the Zionists were shown as their "plot of land" to live in, it was someone else's land. People were living there. Even if Palestine were under the Brits, it still was the Palestinians' land. There were people living there creating all sorts of hell for the Brits. Which apparently is why the Brits gave up and decided to go back to their own country. And to begin with, that land wasn't theirs to give. This means, the beginning of what is now known as Israel is wrong. Just like the Chagos issue.

    As for what a country is, It's a group of people who call a plot of land theirs and take ownership of it. But this plot of land, if it belongs to someone else, they will always be the occupying force there until they kill or expel everyone from that territory or do some other barbaric act of erasing whatever and whoever was there before them. Making sense? Hope it does. Of not, search the Geneva Conventions and its laws that the Zionists are breaking.

    Zachjuv [2015134]

    Being a country or not doesn't change anything about atrocities. If all we care about is a list of atrocities then that should put us both firmly on no ones side and there's no reason to give either a second thought.

    Ud have to be 75 years old to even been born and nearly 95 to have been an adult in 1948. Will it change anything in the next 10ish years when the last participant from Israel's founding is gone?

    I understand why palestinians wouldn't want to give up and why they will likely never change their minds on this. It seems to me palestinians could have gaza and most of, if not all, of the west bank to build something of their own if they could find a way to peace. Unfortunately they seem committed to throwing themselves at israel and losing 10 for every 1 they kill until there is no one left.

    Smilin-Assassin [965750]

    Being a country or not doesn't change anything about atrocities. If all we care about is a list of atrocities then that should put us both firmly on no ones side and there's no reason to give either a second thought.
    How about the side that is losing its children in thousands? Counting 5000 plus now. How about that side? How about the side that has been facing genocide for decades living in less than ideal conditions?

    Mate, I am a Muslim. We were taught better than to kill everyone who is not us. We were taught to help the oppressor and the oppressed. And right now, Biden is "helping" the oppressor while no one is helping the oppressed in a manner that actually changes anything. Not even the f**king Saudis. The Muslims these days love the world way too much and fear death way too much and that is why we are in a sad state. Even myself included.

    I know that I am not even putting a dent in these arguments. But do you know how heartless and gutless one has to be to take the side of the oppressor (IOF) and to arm him/them against civilians (Palestinians) when it is with a 100 percent guarantee that more civilians will die than anyone else (Hamas combatants) if they were to be bombed? Because to bomb 40k combatants underground, IOF is bombing everything and everyone. To kill 40k combatants, they are bombing 2.2 million people. Do the math.
    Ud have to be 75 years old to even been born and nearly 95 to have been an adult in 1948. Will it change anything in the next 10ish years when the last participant from Israel's founding is gone?
    I see no relevance to the topic at hand.

    Unfortunately they seem committed to throwing themselves at israel and losing 10 for every 1 they kill until there is no one left.
    So what do you suggest they do? Go back into their cells and stay there silently? Don't fight for their rights? Ignore the settlers that kill them for fun? The settlers and the IOF that target them for practice?
    Those days are going to come to an end. Things will settle. And there will be a clear winner.

    Zachjuv [2015134]

    What about them?

    Not sure what you being Muslim has to do with anything. Or what muslims were taught.

    The reality is it doesn't much matter what you do, your leaders profit from your suffering and as long as Hamas is f**king around in Gaza no one is going to stop Israel in the westbank
    Yet, American politicians all invested in stocks that benefit in the genocide of Palestinians days before October 7th. British government rishi sunak and his wife investing in infosys who were given promises from Israeli government after oil has been found off the coast of Gaza which the Zionists want to steal aswell.

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    Israelis Seen Clapping And Eating Popcorn While Watching Bombs Drop On Gaza:

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    Go Palestine!
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    In 1856, in gratitude for French support during the Crimean War, the Ottoman sultan Abdülmecid I presented it to Napoleon III. It was subsequently restored by the French government, who in 1862 dispatched the architect Christophe-Edouard Mauss (1829-1914) to Jerusalem for this purpose. This same church now, Israel prevents several french presidents to enter:




    Palestinians never ever stopped anyone from entering their respective places of worship.

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    Adultery [2274232]

    The Quran is replete with Surahs directing its followers to violence.
    Some examples follow:

    Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

    Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."


    Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush


    He says it in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam's two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    I heard Allah's Apostle
    [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
    Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle
    said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:

    Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
    Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984:
    Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
    Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    daprinceomar [2125322]




    I hope this helps your understand. Please watch with open mind.

    Adultery [2274232]

    Yea, no lol. Irrelevant video.

    In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: ???? taq?yah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice.[1][3][4][5] Generally, taqiya is the action of committing a sinful act (such as feigning unbelief) for a pious goal.[6]
    Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by Muslims of virtually all persuasions.[7] However, the use of Taqiyyah varies, especially between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Sunni Muslims gained political supremacy over time and therefore only occasionally found the need to practice Taqiyyah. On the other hand, the minority Shiah community developed taqiyyah as an instinctive method of self-preservation and protection in hostile environments.[8]
    A related term is Kitm?n (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), which has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[9][10]
    This practice is emphasized in Shi'ism whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][11]
    Taqiyya was initially practiced under duress by some of Muhammad's companions.[12] Later, it became particularly important for Shias due to their experience as a persecuted religious minority.[11][13] According to Shia doctrine, taqiyya is permissible in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[11] Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics.[14][15]
    Yarden Mariuma, sociologist at Columbia University, writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes.”[16]

    -----------------------------------


    Jizya (Arabic: ??????? jizyah / ?izyah [d???zjæ]) is a per capita yearly taxation historically levied in the form of financial charge on dhimmis, that is, permanent non-Muslim subjects of a state governed by Islamic law.[1][2][3] The Quran and hadiths mention jizya without specifying its rate or amount,[4] and the application of jizya varied in the course of Islamic history. However, scholars largely agree that early Muslim rulers adapted existing systems of taxation and tribute that were established under previous rulers of the conquered lands, such as those of the Byzantine and Sasanian empires.[5][6][7][8][9]
    Historically, the jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims' submission to the Muslim state and its laws.[10][11][12] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[13] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[14][15][16][17][18] and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[14][5] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were also exempted from payment,[1][15][19][20][21][22] as were those who could not afford to pay.[15][23][24] According to Islamic law, elders, handicapped etc, must be given pensions, and they must not go into begging.
    Together with khar?j, a term that was sometimes used interchangeably with jizya,[25][26][27] taxes levied on non-Muslim subjects were among the main sources of revenues collected by some Islamic polities, such as the Ottoman Empire and Indian Muslim Sultanates.[28] Jizya rate was usually a fixed annual amount depending on the financial capability of the payer.[29] Sources comparing taxes levied on Muslims and jizya differ as to their relative burden depending on time, place, specific taxes under consideration, and other factors.[1][30][31]
    The term appears in the Quran referring to a tax or tribute from People of the Book, specifically Jews and Christians. Followers of other religions like Zoroastrians and Hindus too were later integrated into the category of dhimmis and required to pay jizya. In the Indian Subcontinent the practice stopped by the 18th century with Muslim rulers losing their kingdoms to the British East India Company. It almost vanished during the 20th century with the disappearance of Islamic states and the spread of religious tolerance.[32] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[33][34] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[32][35][36]

    daprinceomar [2125322]

    Did you really just copy and paste some Wikipedia to fit your narrative?

    Also irrelevant?? you didnt watch it then. Taking quotes out of context from the Quran. literally explains what all that you just posted was about.


    anyway


    Taqiya


    Surah 9:5



    For all those other verses you picked and chose

    Adultery [2274232]

    Im not watching your silly videos of someone bullshitting just because your too lazy to speak. I posted from wiki the beliefs of a religion who doesnt hold accountability to their own beliefs. They will say anything to get pitty to forward the hateful agenda they hold.

    When ishmael and esau stop, Jacob will stop. Until then israel will keep defending themselves and be blessed while doing so. From the ONE god.

    There has never been a palestine. And the god of abraham moses and Isaac gave that land to israel. Not squatters.

    daprinceomar [2125322]

    You want me to respond myself to such things that 1.6 BILLION people of the world are a part of? I cant do it in a clear consise way, so I picked and choose actually Islamic scholars to those SPEICIFC things you called out. and your response is "im not watchign silly videos?"

    Clearly you are someone thats closed-minded. who doesnt wanna be present with facts of learn

    Even if some scholars interpret a verse peacefully, that does not mean that there are not some people who will also interpret it more literally as a sanction or call to violence, and act accordingly.

    I do not think it does any good for one perspective or the other to debate the true meaning of Islamic scripture, or any scripture for that matter, on these message boards. Your (generic your, not to single you out) relationship to scripture is personal to you but it does not mean that other people of your same religion interpret it the same way, or that they do not use it to justify horrible things. This applies to all religions IMO.

    I think it is obvious and well-documented that even though you or I may not feel that way personally, there are plenty of other people who will gladly murder, ****, terrorize, and oppress because of how they choose to interpret the human-transcribed word of their god, prophet, or other religious figure.

    I think you and I both favor peace and a two-state solution (correct me if I am wrong). Hopefully we get there.

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    Hear it from the jewish intellectual himself:




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    How do you explain this?

    Israeli telegram users ask Israeli to bring knives and aim at the neck of Palestinians.

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