Message to the Israeli People
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Posted on 05:22:44 - 12/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkWhat genocide are you refereeing to? to the negative "genocide" (AKA - positive growth rate) the Palestinians are currently experiencing?
The international laws clearly states that killing civilians is OK, in certain cases (which, needless to say, happens at the Gaza strip)
How Hamas can be removed without bombing (also) innocent people? Please answer with practical tactical solution which will not result in more innocents death and allow Israel to win the war which was forced upon it.Never, not even once, did I say that the death toll in Palestine has reached 2.2 million. We both know you don't understand English well. So let's not talk hastily. I said, and I quote, "You don't bomb a whole open-air prison of 2.2m civilians to kill a measly 40k people". The zionists are bombing Gaza. They are killing Gazans. The death toll has exceeded 10k, the last time I checked. And from what i have seen from the zionist media, Hamas is merely 40k freedom fighters. Your "peace-loving" zionists are bombing THE WHOLE OF GAZA. Who the f**k says we bombed xx.xx and gives f**king coordination or the area of the land? THE ZIONISTS ARE BOMBING GAZA.
If you mean by that the all (or most) of the building were bombed than nope, that never happened. Israel is bombing only selected buildings (which they claim are a valid military targets) while most of the buildings are left standing.
Cut electricity from 2.2 million people, including 100+ premature babies in NICU because Hamas needs oxygen in their underground tunnels? I wonder how they have been fighting the zionists for this long without air then. Makes me think that the Hamas are like turtles or some shit that don't need to breathe like humans do. Don't know much about them except that they are destroying Merkava tanks like they are made of tin.
2) Hamas had stockpiled gas to their generators, gas the refuse to share with their hospitals and babies in the NICU.
3) Electrical infrastructure of the military that fights you is a valid target.bomb the fishermen's boats because Hamas used them as attack boats... I am trying not to laugh at that statement... have you seen these boats you're calling attack boats?
Its floats? Its carries terrorist to murder civilians at the beach? Its an attack boat...
You dont need to sink an aircraft carrier with that, just to murder civilians...That is nice, right? Many battles were won against Hamas in the past month. And yet, You do not see the zionists making claims of destroying anything meaningful, do you? I mean, I certainly don't. And I have seen the zionists destroy hundreds of thousands of buildings. But nothing on their advancement into Gaza by land. Why? Doesn't want to celebrate too early? That must be it yeah. Makes more sense.
I dont understand what you are trying to say, but I did see report on Israelis destroying major Hamas base and claiming that they are soon to conquere Hamas headquarters under Saifa hospital, which are gain by land advancement.1. What are they doing in the West Bank where there is no Hamas? Last I saw, 155 West Bankers murdered since October 7th.
There are armed terrorists in the west bank, from Hamas and other organizations. nothing new there2. Why do you think Israel only managed to kill 60 or so Hamas fighters when they have dropped 30,000 + tons of bombs on Gaza?
3. Do you think that bombing Gaza (an open-air prison of 2.2 million people, and half of that is children under the age of 18) is the way to go about finding where Hamas is? Why?
4. Where do you think the 1000s of Gazans seeking refuge in hospitals should evacuate/go to when the zionists call them to evacuate so that they can destroy the hospitals?
5. If the zionists are so sure about the tunnels under Al-Shifa Hospital, why don't they use a more precise approach?
6. Why drop 30,000 tons of bombs and destroy literally every building including refugee camps and murder 10,300+ civilians? -
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Posted on 07:11:13 - 12/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkYou should watch the YouTube clip buddy. All action needs to be proportionate. There's 20k Hamas and 2m civilians. Bombing a refugee camp to kill 1 hamas but murdering 500+ civilians is against international law. He covers the genocide of the Palestinian people and is a reputable source (just left the UN after 30+ years as he felt he could do more good outside and a lawyer).
I'm not here to debate strategy. Simply stating there must be another way rather than killing people (mainly children - 50% of the population) that have nothing to do with it, other than to be unlucky enough to be born there. -
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Posted on 07:14:41 - 12/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkyes hamas should surrender or at least come out and fight like men then hide behind women and children its bad enough they are filthy rapist and murderers but to endanger their own people because they are cowards and wont fight like real men is sad/
Kaizaki defeated the dried up witch and got her prince in the end.
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Posted on 07:44:04 - 12/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHow do you define the proportion ratio?
I do not know of a case where 500 innocents civilians were killed to get only one Hamas guy, but continuing your argument - If that Hamas guy is high ranking officer and killing him would greatly diminish the ability of 20k warriors to fight than yes, that seems like a proportionate attack.
Beside? how do you value the life of the defender against the life of the assailant (as the moral of the human race in the last 5000 years dictate that we should)? If that Hamas guy was finishing the immediate terror attack which will kill 50 Israel civilians than killing 500 enemy's civilians will be just, according to the defender. It is the enemy fault (and formal war crime) that it uses its civilians as human shield.
I will write it again - a person who believe for more then 10 seconds that a nation which experience a positive growth rate is undergoing a genocide is a full retard person. Genocide is destroying a nation, and positive growth rate is literally the exact opposite.
If you can come up with a way to fight terror organization which uses its civilians as human shields without killing those civilians you should advise it to Israel, which will immediately do just that, they are the last one who need more hate against them at the moment. Until you find such a way you should not claim that such a way "must be exist" because apparently, it doesnt exist.Last edited by deadalus29 on 07:47:37 - 12/11/23 -
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Posted on 07:32:50 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkSo under international law, this is actually deemed collective punishment of a people. So is illegal.
But as with your groups of likers or dislikers it seems that it doesn't matter the actual reality of the situation.
The refugee camp is a real example - check it out. And no murdering 500 innocents for 1 person is not something that could ever be acceptable.
A full ground offensive would have been a better option than bombing or shelling then at least soldiers can decide whether they want to directly murder innocent people :) -
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Posted on 08:56:29 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkA point for thinking,ground offensive got it's disadvantages.Put yourself in the shoes of soldier entering hostile territory or a cop arresting a suspect.Each move of each civilian can look threatening and on cases of which the civilian is armed, ignoring it means your death.When terrorists are hiding among civilians,there is zero ways to avoid civilian deaths completely, regardless of the way operations are intiaited.A war has civilian costs,all that can be done are measures to minimize this costs.
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Posted on 09:16:27 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkWe can all talk from the comfort of our seats, but reality is there is a war between Palestine and Israel. A war that wasn't started by Israel.
We can all cry about laws and legalities, but reality is, during an active war, no one gives a crap. If you have served, you would know that the safety of your battallion/group is way more important than enemy civilians. Especially, when there are enemies hiding on the enemy civilian population or the civilian population aids/hides the enemy.
At that stage, it's their lives versus your life/group's life.
It's war, there are casualties. Does that make it okay? Hell no. But I do not try to even comprehend the thoughts of soldiers going into Gaza.
It's fine to talk about ethics and morals from the safety of our chairs, but when you are in hell, you do not have the luxury to think like that.
That is war for the past thousand years, and it's evident that nothing will change. Especially, when we saw the atrocities in Ukraine/Russian which was the closest to Western Nations.
Good luck implementing international laws to US war crimes. Good luck implementing international laws to Israel who is backed by US.Last edited by Kasto on 10:46:32 - 13/11/23 -
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Posted on 17:30:30 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHmm, nope. Collective punishment is a punishment to the civilians without any military gain by itself, in hope that the population will expose/damage the military targets. Since we agreed that attack's target was indeed a military target it is clearly not the case.
I did not find the case you are speaking about. The worst case of bombing refugee camp by Israel that i've seen talks about ~200 dead (by Hamas, a known terrorist organization, account), in several attacks (and not a single attack), and several Hamas leaders were targeted in those attacks, according to IDF (and not just one).
If you want to continue discuss on a real case please referee to it.
A full ground offensive, as you suggested, will only result in much more innocents death. When the ground troops will encounter their enemy they will call to a close artillery and air support which will result in the complete destruction of entire blocks of buildings, in contrast to the limited number of buildings which are being bombed.
Moreover, if the ground offense will start without bombing more civilians would remain in the area, as the fear of bombs encouraging civilians to flee more effectively than the other types of warning issued by the IDF.
Investing more than 10 seconds of thinking will show that your suggestion to lower the number of civilians death will only increase it... -
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Posted on 20:53:17 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkWhy are Israelis forbidden from taking DNA tests xD why did their presidents like Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon and Ehud have to change their white ass last names to sound more indigenous xD
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Posted on 20:54:43 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkAccording to your logic, there was no Indians in the Indian subcontinent during British colonialism it was just British lands. Stupid idiot. Hope the same happens to you and your family
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Posted on 20:58:30 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkAint you from Bangladesh you mong
Kaizaki defeated the dried up witch and got her prince in the end.
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Posted on 21:17:25 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkYou’re so used to copy and paste, you can’t comprehend simple sentences.
how can you tell someone to live peacefully when they kill your family, steal your home, land, wealth, business and agriculture etc. -
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Posted on 22:07:57 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkSebas Propaganda Technique 3A: When caught in a lie, ignore and deflect. Do not ever admit being wrong and pasting bullshit from a propaganda site.Nope, you continue to lie stupid lies in hope for a stupid forum reader will somehow support you.
A non stupid reader will know with a quick search that the Indians in the Indian subcontinent have a rich history of ruling the land of India, therefore my logic will dictate that there were Indians during the British colonialism, in contrast to your lie. -
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Posted on 23:23:24 - 13/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post link
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Posted on 01:04:18 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkWhere is the outcry from the world over this:
No one, however, offends liberal and centrist Israelis quite like Itamar Ben-Gvir. Ben-Gvir, who entered parliament in 2021, leads a far-right party called Otzma Yehudit, or Jewish Power. His role model and ideological wellspring has long been Meir Kahane, a Brooklyn rabbi who moved to Israel in 1971 and, during a single term in the Knesset, tested the moral limits of the country. Israeli politicians strive to reconcile Israel’s identities as a Jewish state and a democracy. Kahane argued that “the idea of a democratic Jewish state is nonsense.” In his view, demographic trends would inevitably turn Israel’s non-Jews into a majority, and so the ideal solution was “the immediate transfer of the Arabs.” To Kahane, Arabs were “dogs” who “must sit quietly or get the hell out.” His rhetoric was so virulent that lawmakers from both sides of the aisle used to walk out of the Knesset when he spoke. His party, Kach (Thus), was finally barred from parliament in 1988. Jewish Power is an ideological offshoot of Kach; Ben-Gvir served as a Kach youth leader and has called Kahane a “saint.”
Ben-Gvir, who is forty-six, has been convicted on at least eight charges, including supporting a terrorist organization and incitement to racism, compiling a criminal record so long that, when he appeared before a judge, “we had to change the ink on the printer,” Dvir Kariv, a former official in the Shin Bet intelligence agency, told me. As recently as last October, Netanyahu refused to share a stage with him, or even to be seen with him in photographs. But a series of disappointing elections persuaded Netanyahu to change his mind.
This man is the Minister of the Interior in Israel, given that position by Bibi and who has responsibility for much of what goes on in the occupied West Bank
Can you imagine the outcry if any other country in the world had put a person convicted under terrorism legislation in one of the most powerful positions in their government?
He was a member of Kach (Kahane Chai) which was designated as a terrorist organisation by the USA
As Kach became less active it was downgraded to a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Entity by the USA
There are good and bad people on both sides
There are extremists on both sides
And there are terrorists and their supporters on both sides -
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Posted on 05:55:43 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkBecause the world has a nasty habit of rounding them up and killing them, so they understandably don’t want to store this kind of data where craven murderers might be able to gain access to it. But you knew that, because you support and fantasize about it.
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Posted on 06:20:17 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkYes the land was stolen from the jewish people in the first place
Kaizaki defeated the dried up witch and got her prince in the end.
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Posted on 06:21:20 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHe would fit in well with the hamas hes as crazy as them
Kaizaki defeated the dried up witch and got her prince in the end.
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Posted on 15:17:36 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkLike I said, there are crazies on both sides
And its the good, ordinary, innocent people that are suffering and dying in plain sight of the whole world with few, if any, words of condemnation
Murder and war crimes are still murder and war crimes no matter who commits them or why -
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Posted on 17:05:39 - 14/11/23 (9 months ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkEveryone thinks Bibi's political career is finished. But when he's gone, the likes of Ben-Gvir and Smotrich will take center stage.
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