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    Isn't it's great to be a free person and doing what you view to be right with your life, not paying any taxes, not being obligated to do what your government commends you?
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    Posted on 07:14:51 - 03/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    None of those things are libertarian.
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    Do what?
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.
    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.
    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.
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    Posted on 11:14:42 - 03/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Isn't it's great to be a free person and doing what you view to be right with your life, not paying any taxes, not being obligated to do what your government commends you?
    in your ideal world, who will help children that get molested by their parents? just curious
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    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.
    how does paying taxs stop poor people dying in the streets?

    the only thing the gov does for poor people is make begging illegal, make it illegal to rough sleep, move them on by the police and harrass them... they use you money to make life hell for homeless people lol you just dont see homeless people because the gov move them, put spikes where they sleep, arrest them and harrass them and push them outside societies view of them... this isnt a nice use of tax payer money, this is a aweful use of it...
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    how does paying taxs stop poor people dying in the streets?

    the only thing the gov does for poor people is make begging illegal, make it illegal to rough sleep, move them on by the police and harrass them... they use you money to make life hell for homeless people lol you just dont see homeless people because the gov move them, put spikes where they sleep, arrest them and harrass them and push them outside societies view of them... this isnt a nice use of tax payer money, this is a aweful use of it...
    congrats, welcome to the liberal side of the dems

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.
    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.
    Last edited by WiseTheRumGone on 11:27:51 - 03/09/21

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    how does paying taxs stop poor people dying in the streets?

    the only thing the gov does for poor people is make begging illegal, make it illegal to rough sleep, move them on by the police and harrass them... they use you money to make life hell for homeless people lol you just dont see homeless people because the gov move them, put spikes where they sleep, arrest them and harrass them and push them outside societies view of them... this isnt a nice use of tax payer money, this is a aweful use of it...
    Do you even believe yourself? And as long as people don't vote for people that actually help homeless people, they will be there, since people already ignore the problem when voting, how would that change under a libertarian society?
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    how does paying taxs stop poor people dying in the streets?

    the only thing the gov does for poor people is make begging illegal, make it illegal to rough sleep, move them on by the police and harrass them... they use you money to make life hell for homeless people lol you just dont see homeless people because the gov move them, put spikes where they sleep, arrest them and harrass them and push them outside societies view of them... this isnt a nice use of tax payer money, this is a aweful use of it...

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even believe yourself? And as long as people don't vote for people that actually help homeless people, they will be there, since people already ignore the problem when voting, how would that change under a libertarian society?
    people like him believe that once taxes go away all the rich people will give their money to the poor, its why they vote for trump.

    you know, the "if I don't need to pay taxes il donate more to charity" kind of people

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    its a spectrum, libertarian comes from the word liberty, and its the opposite of authoritarianism which comes from the word authority.... authoritarianism is more government more order and more control, while libertarian is its opposite, less government, less control, less regulation, less intrusion into your lifes..... so yes, the more libertarian the less taxs, the most extreme libertarian is absolutely no tax and no government and no leader or anything telling you what to do, basically, the most libertarian is actually complete anarchy.

    but ofcourse modern day lefties that claim to be anarchists dont want that, because modern day lefties are authoritarians that want strict government control.... this is also why anarcho communism is a silly mix that cant exist, it is like oil and water, they cant mix, on is extreme auth and the other is extreme lib.... the left misrepresent labels and claim labels just because they are trendy and cool but yet do not really stand for the views of the labels they claim to be. the left seem ashamed of being called a strict authoritarian or a fascist which is essentially what the left is these days. so yeah theres alot of misunderstanding on terms because people have misused the terms and mixed them for the sake of trends instead of being true to their beliefs.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You can't think for others, I'm what you call a leftie, and I actually believe in small government.

    don't put words in other ones mouth, it makes you look stupid, and you are the one making labels here, it's pretty ironic.

    On topic: libertarian believe is like Unicorns, it will never happen because someone will always grab for power, I prefer to be able to vote who represent us, than to see who will eventually pull the strings. And not paying taxes, how does that even work, no roads, no bridges, basically no functional society and poor people dying in the streets.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    how does paying taxs stop poor people dying in the streets?

    the only thing the gov does for poor people is make begging illegal, make it illegal to rough sleep, move them on by the police and harrass them... they use you money to make life hell for homeless people lol you just dont see homeless people because the gov move them, put spikes where they sleep, arrest them and harrass them and push them outside societies view of them... this isnt a nice use of tax payer money, this is a aweful use of it...

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even believe yourself? And as long as people don't vote for people that actually help homeless people, they will be there, since people already ignore the problem when voting, how would that change under a libertarian society?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    people like him believe that once taxes go away all the rich people will give their money to the poor, its why they vote for trump.

    you know, the "if I don't need to pay taxes il donate more to charity" kind of people
    So basically you get a rich upper class pulling the strings, sounds pretty authoritarian to me...
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    well, i suppose i realized the bleating for divine freedom and autonomous self-governance is not only suicidally self-absorbed but also is entirely incompatable with """the free market"""

    there is no protected free speech on private land run by private forces. these are the same folks who think facebook is out to get them to silence their agenda. yet they also believe facebook, as employers and capitalists, should get to do that and much much more.

    it's the most juvenile and contradictory conviction on the spectrum

    how people could fly the gadsden flag at trump rallies or the nazi march confounds me. it's not a coherent ideology, it's three snake oil salesmen in a trenchcoat

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.
    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.
    yup, politicians are the ones who decide which rights you have, but the government and all its bodies are the mechanisms which ENFORCE those rights.

    no government? no rights. its that simple.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    yup, politicians are the ones who decide which rights you have, but the government and all its bodies are the mechanisms which ENFORCE those rights.

    no government? no rights. its that simple.
    > no government? no rights. its that simple.

    All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    yup, politicians are the ones who decide which rights you have, but the government and all its bodies are the mechanisms which ENFORCE those rights.

    no government? no rights. its that simple.

    beeg [2603292]

    > no government? no rights. its that simple.

    All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...
    I didn't realise the theory of evolution endowed me with my rights.
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    Posted on 16:41:30 - 03/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    yup, politicians are the ones who decide which rights you have, but the government and all its bodies are the mechanisms which ENFORCE those rights.

    no government? no rights. its that simple.

    beeg [2603292]

    > no government? no rights. its that simple.

    All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...
    Written by people forming a government...
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    Posted on 00:42:16 - 04/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    None of those things are libertarian.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    no government also means you have the freedom to take that same freedom from others.

    you got money? just pay someone to take them out. slavery? fine

    ilibertarians are kinda like gamblers, everyone who goes into a system like that gets f**ked, besides 1 lucky individual, and they all think that's them

    here's a fun fact, the police aren't there to control the public and take their rights away, THEY ARE THERE SO PEOPLE CANT TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Yup. People use the libertarian label before they learn how democracy and the world works.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    yup, politicians are the ones who decide which rights you have, but the government and all its bodies are the mechanisms which ENFORCE those rights.

    no government? no rights. its that simple.

    beeg [2603292]

    > no government? no rights. its that simple.

    All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...
    Ah ye thats a good one, next time i get robbed il just say i have rights. The robber wont touch me and respect my property

    why even have police….. its not like there are people out there doing illegal things right?

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Posted on 01:06:53 - 04/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Yes, you have the right to self defense against an attacker.
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