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    A lot of people think emotionally instead of logically, and they only think about themselves.

    Some women married young and if they got pregnant unexpectedly they'd have the kid anyway. They were never in a situation where they might have gotten pregnant out of wedlock, and if they had, they would have gotten married.

    For some of them, things are very simple and any deviation from that rule is just "being selfish" or using abortion as birth control. They don't have to worry about **** or incest or being unable to feed a child. They don't have to worry about having to drop out of school or figure out how to raise a child alone.

    I think it's fine for them if their life goal is to be a wife and mother. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's not everyone's life goal. And cancelling abortion is not going to turn women into wives and mothers if it's not what they want.

    Ata [2507441]

    My theory is that vast majority of those women who are for such law are against it because of religion aka they were taught that way. Same as women who support burka etc.

    Can't prove it tho without some statistics.
    The surveys are showing that people who are more likely to be pro-life / anti-abortion are older, less affluent, less educated, and living in rural areas. Also, evangelical christians  are more likely to be against abortion than other religious groups.


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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?
    the women i know thats done an abortion have all had varying degree of depression when confronted about to do it or not. women form a very hard bond with the baby early on, long before its out of the womb. a protective mesurement of nature, he is right, i live in sweden were abortions are okey up to week 18.  in my 33 year life. with all the friends, big family ,never once did any of these people i know irl do an abortion. not once. its allways been social space and such of very few you dont know, and they allways tell these experince with depressive tone.

    women use birth controll pills 99% of the time to not get pregnant. becouse you dont wanna face that terrible choice of having to do a abortion or not, a choice that causes massive depression in the women that had the baby inside.

    Emotions during pregnancy | NCT all these emotions that start as soon as a woman is pregnant do create massive depressions if you were to do an abortion, no woman does this like its nothing. its a massive deal as you will hurt yourself for a very long time.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    Brakier [2095393]

    the women i know thats done an abortion have all had varying degree of depression when confronted about to do it or not. women form a very hard bond with the baby early on, long before its out of the womb. a protective mesurement of nature, he is right, i live in sweden were abortions are okey up to week 18. in my 33 year life. with all the friends, big family ,never once did any of these people i know irl do an abortion. not once. its allways been social space and such of very few you dont know, and they allways tell these experince with depressive tone.

    women use birth controll pills 99% of the time to not get pregnant. becouse you dont wanna face that terrible choice of having to do a abortion or not, a choice that causes massive depression in the women that had the baby inside.

    Emotions during pregnancy | NCT all these emotions that start as soon as a woman is pregnant do create massive depressions if you were to do an abortion, no woman does this like its nothing. its a massive deal as you will hurt yourself for a very long time.
    Not even to mention that abortion rates seems to be lower in countries where abortion legal, guess educating people helps:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country


    Studies show that abortion rates may be much higher in nations where abortion is illegal. Because abortion is prohibited, these abortions are illegal abortions, which are more dangerous than legal abortions. There are also higher risks and complications, including the death of the mother, as a result of these illegal abortions.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?
    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Capgros [2088627]

    You are the one claiming that you know lol, I know some woman who did it including my sister and it's a pretty emotional decision, not something that is done in a day.

    And I'm sure there are things that you do or did that are unresponsable, a 100%. But it is easy to blame the woman, as a man you can just walk away in this situation, as it happens many times.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    There are statistics on abortion. Generally, **** and incest make up about 1% of Abortions in America. The most given reason is that woman "Aren't ready". They want to go to college, or work, or what have you. And I have no issue with a woman seeking to go to college or whatever. But get some damn condoms. Spermicide. Birth control. There's options.

    Of course, if a man isn't ready, and a woman doesn't give a shit about his opinion, she can have his kid, and he can be taken to prison for nonsupport, or pay to support his child for 18 years.

    Yup, I have, and I've also paid the price for my mistakes.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Yeah, like I said before, a small mistake can deliver a woman a child for life, the man can just walk away if he wants, teenager are not responsible in general, and again, I'm sure you did many things that were not responsible like everybody else.

    As a man you don't have to pay the price for this mistake, as a woman you have no choice and are bound for life

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Women can walk out on a child the same as a man.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Nah that's just not true.

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    Pause Cap.

    This is where I have to interject instead of watching you and Zick debate.

    Women absolutely can walk out of a child's life.
    and they do...

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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.
    In the US, men are imprisoned if not paying support.  In Canada they take other measures, like suspending driver's license etc.

    On this discussion point, father's are given no say on the abortion discussion despite the pecuniary aspect.

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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    Hoch [1772040]

    In the US, men are imprisoned if not paying support. In Canada they take other measures, like suspending driver's license etc.

    On this discussion point, father's are given no say on the abortion discussion despite the pecuniary aspect.
    even if they move to thailand before the divorce?

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    Hoch [1772040]

    In the US, men are imprisoned if not paying support. In Canada they take other measures, like suspending driver's license etc.

    On this discussion point, father's are given no say on the abortion discussion despite the pecuniary aspect.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    even if they move to thailand before the divorce?
    :)

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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.
    Sorry things work differently here in America?  If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison.   If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.  

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.
    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Capgros [2088627]

    So I guess Texas will give unwanted children free education, food and housing?

    Anyway, seems they learned from a specific northern country in Europe in the 30's.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.
    Handing money over once a month doesn't stop you from being a deadbeat dad. It's not a title you can buy your way out of.

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    Women don't need to join the conversation. They are quite clear on where they stand on abortion and on how committed they are if they have a child. If they get pregnant, there will be hell to pay either way.

    For men, it's a political issue. For women, it's their life.

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    I would not agree. Yes, to some extend. But the most baffling thing that is happening is that I see a lot of women also in support of the new law. That's just complete bonkers if you ask me.

    Not to mention that everyone knew from Day 1 that judge Amy Coney Barrett is gonna support it, that's why she was brought in the supreme court in the first place, to turn the tables on such matters in their zealot ways.

    CRLF [2095076]

    A lot of people think emotionally instead of logically, and they only think about themselves.

    Some women married young and if they got pregnant unexpectedly they'd have the kid anyway. They were never in a situation where they might have gotten pregnant out of wedlock, and if they had, they would have gotten married.

    For some of them, things are very simple and any deviation from that rule is just "being selfish" or using abortion as birth control. They don't have to worry about **** or incest or being unable to feed a child. They don't have to worry about having to drop out of school or figure out how to raise a child alone.

    I think it's fine for them if their life goal is to be a wife and mother. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's not everyone's life goal. And cancelling abortion is not going to turn women into wives and mothers if it's not what they want.
    Part of what goes into that is a cognitive dissonance with body autonomy. They don't factor in what a woman's body autonomy really means because they have wholeheartedly bought into the notion of woman's reproductive capacity as something other than an aspect of body autonomy. It's why **** and incest are not excluded as exceptions to the law. Abbott is arguing it's because **** is a crime  in the state of Texas, well yes, but it does very little to actually stopping ****, does even less if the father can't contribute financially if they're sucking up their finances defending against a **** charge and going to prison for. 

    All of this is up in the air legally, there's precedent in MA stating the state cannot delegate its legal authority to non-state actors (in that case it was related to Catholic Church having veto power over state liquor licensing). State also cannot compel someone to donate bone marrow to a match no matter the emotional appeal, the morality of doing so, or really anything else. If the state cannot compel someone to donate bone marrow (which there is a number of cases setting the courts precedence on the matter), and the state cannot compel an individual to donate life saving organs even after they have died, then they cannot compel a woman to bring a pregnancy to term against her will.
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    What kind of logic is that? Because people don't support abortion, they should be providing for all financial burdens?

    That's like arguing if you support owning vehicles that you should all have to cover the costs of any wrecks, medical bills, and funerals.

    I'll never understand why contraception isn't more researched and used.

    And before you go to the "Rape/incest/ unviable fetus/life of the mother" argument, don't. I personally have no issue with someone getting an abortion for those reasons. Most pro life people don't. But that isn't what pro choice people care about. They want abortion any time, anywhere, for any reason. And to me, Using Abortion as a means of birth control is immoral.

    but that's just me and my thoughts.

    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?
    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country. 

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

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    Capgros [2088627]

    You literally have no idea why people would want an abortion, you just made that up, woman are really not going to go for an abortion like going to a restaurant, that is just propaganda that you believe. And yeah, if a woman can't financially take care of a child and the father is a deadbeat the child is going to have a really shitty life and someone would need to pay for that, obviously the mother cant in that case.
    And you live in unicorn land if you think everybody is going to use contraception, that's just not the reality

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...
    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    And you think you magically know all the reasons why women want abortions? Like you aren't fed bullshit propaganda? Get off your high horse.

    If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance.

    And Unicorn land? Yes, let's just absolve everyone of any personal responsibility. I mean, how the f**k can we expect adults to take the proper steps to avoid pregnancy, right?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...
    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that. 

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    "If the Father is a deadbeat, he goes to prison. The mother is given Government assistance."

    how delusional are you? my father was a deadbeat to not one but 2 wifes.

    how much do you think he paid? how much do you think he serves in jail?

    get f**king real.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?
    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Sorry things work differently here in America? If a Father does not pay support for his child: He. Will. Go. To. Prison. If he gets a job, his wages will be garnished until he has paid all that he owes.

    America doesn't f**k around. They do not care about throwing a man in prison with murderers and rapists if he doesn't pay to support his child. I know a guy who lost their job, and their vindictive Ex could not wait for him to not be able to make child support so she could press charges because she hated his ass. He didn't get a job in time, and he went to Prison. He's currently out on Parole, and his wages are garnished. He doesn't make enough money to even feed himself most of the time, but his Child support is paid.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.
    Clearly you just want to be argumentative.  And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.
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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.
    Passports are good for 10 years. 

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.
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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    and if he moves to thailand before the divorce?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.
    cool, but when they use their Dutch passport?

    what happens then?

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    I'm really looking forward for ZJ to be all in with being able to take bone marrow from unwilling donor matches and for having greenpeace be able to enforce the EPA's own under policed environmental laws. 

    I mean what next? Animals suing people? Cereal box cartoon characters suing wheat farmers? Sand suing mining companies?
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