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    Posted on 12:48:59 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He remains a fugitive from the law, and faces extradition should he be caught in the other country.

    Very specific question, there. Not many men here do that...

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.
    incorrect in your last statement.  Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

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    Posted on 12:53:16 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    oh, my dad did, and if you think the US would extract him in that case.... damn

    and I thought I was blindly believing in the power of government...

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.

    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.
    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.
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    Posted on 16:21:11 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Yeah, I figured out that it was your father whom did that.

    As for if America would do that, likely? I mean, why not?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.

    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.
    I'm against certain types of abortions.  Not based in religious views.  For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health.  Or late term.  

    Nothing to do with religion.

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    Posted on 17:55:38 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you don't get extracted from Thailand for not paying child support.......... Jesus what world do you live in.

    not even that much of a specific example, you can find like a hundred cases like this. here's the first result on google.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.

    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.
    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.
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    Posted on 18:12:38 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Clearly you just want to be argumentative. And I'm not up for it, little guy.


    in closing, in America, someone who owes 2500 or more in Child support cannot get a passport, and thus cannot leave the country. If they snuck out, any country they went to would deport them for not having a Passport.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.

    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.
    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

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    Posted on 18:13:51 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Passports are good for 10 years.

    They would not flag them for travel
    They would not extradite for payments due.

    But this all dumb anyways, because this is after the courts, through several hearings, applied a mandatory child support payment.

    Which is irrelevant to any argument about a woman's autonomy of their body. Before all that shit, even with abortion laws that make sense, there are certain medical standards and practices that could prevent a woman from getting an abortion, that could hazy this shit.

    It's much much easier, and proven better, to allow women the option of safe abortions, with medical guidance. Less abortions, and when they do happen, they're safe.

    The prolife argument is based purely on religion, and should have no stance in government.

    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?
    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?
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    Posted on 18:15:42 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?
    actually it does...

    "But a variety of factors, including the
    affordability and ease of access for both
    abortion and sex determination services,
    as well as Canada’s deep-rooted respect
    for diversity, have enabled sex-selective
    abortion to “take on a life of its own and
    persist” in spite of public condemnation, Edlund says."

    Cap n Hand, who do you think now owns many diagnostic clinics in Canada? :)

    Of course, with technological advances:

    "The advent of home tests that can
    determine fetal gender within seven
    weeks of conception means that a
    “truly determined person” can learn
    the sex of their fetus without visiting a
    doctor or too much inconvenience,
    Milligan says."

    CMAJ

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    Posted on 18:34:40 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?

    Hoch [1772040]

    actually it does...

    "But a variety of factors, including the
    affordability and ease of access for both
    abortion and sex determination services,
    as well as Canada’s deep-rooted respect
    for diversity, have enabled sex-selective
    abortion to “take on a life of its own and
    persist” in spite of public condemnation, Edlund says."

    Cap n Hand, who do you think now owns many diagnostic clinics in Canada? :)

    Of course, with technological advances:

    "The advent of home tests that can
    determine fetal gender within seven
    weeks of conception means that a
    “truly determined person” can learn
    the sex of their fetus without visiting a
    doctor or too much inconvenience,
    Milligan says."

    CMAJ

    I don't care about your system, if that doesn't work that needs to be fixed, not abortion itself.

    Again, it's not your business.

    Edit: and the writer is a journalist, not a doctor, it's not a medical paper.
    Last edited by Capgros on 18:36:28 - 12/09/21
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    Posted on 18:47:13 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?

    Hoch [1772040]

    actually it does...

    "But a variety of factors, including the
    affordability and ease of access for both
    abortion and sex determination services,
    as well as Canada’s deep-rooted respect
    for diversity, have enabled sex-selective
    abortion to “take on a life of its own and
    persist” in spite of public condemnation, Edlund says."

    Cap n Hand, who do you think now owns many diagnostic clinics in Canada? :)

    Of course, with technological advances:

    "The advent of home tests that can
    determine fetal gender within seven
    weeks of conception means that a
    “truly determined person” can learn
    the sex of their fetus without visiting a
    doctor or too much inconvenience,
    Milligan says."

    CMAJ

    Capgros [2088627]

    I don't care about your system, if that doesn't work that needs to be fixed, not abortion itself.

    Again, it's not your business.

    Edit: and the writer is a journalist, not a doctor, it's not a medical paper.
    :)

    Its not our collective business when female genocide occurs?

    What system do you care about? Spanish, US? Chinese?

    Abortion is the issue and the misuse of such a procedure.

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    Posted on 18:48:03 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    incorrect in your last statement. Not all of those opposed to a segment of the abortions conducted do so on a religious basis whatsoever.

    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?
    female aborted fetuses is common in certain cultures...duh

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    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?

    Hoch [1772040]

    actually it does...

    "But a variety of factors, including the
    affordability and ease of access for both
    abortion and sex determination services,
    as well as Canada’s deep-rooted respect
    for diversity, have enabled sex-selective
    abortion to “take on a life of its own and
    persist” in spite of public condemnation, Edlund says."

    Cap n Hand, who do you think now owns many diagnostic clinics in Canada? :)

    Of course, with technological advances:

    "The advent of home tests that can
    determine fetal gender within seven
    weeks of conception means that a
    “truly determined person” can learn
    the sex of their fetus without visiting a
    doctor or too much inconvenience,
    Milligan says."

    CMAJ

    Capgros [2088627]

    I don't care about your system, if that doesn't work that needs to be fixed, not abortion itself.

    Again, it's not your business.

    Edit: and the writer is a journalist, not a doctor, it's not a medical paper.

    Hoch [1772040]

    :)

    Its not our collective business when female genocide occurs?

    What system do you care about? Spanish, US? Chinese?

    Abortion is the issue and the misuse of such a procedure.
    You are really overdoing it here Hoch and secondly, I bet you don't give a f**k about woman in general. There is no female genocide.

    I can say the same about guns, because someone is shot, guns are the problem and should be banned, easy no?

    Edit: and if some cultures are stupid enough to do this, natural selection will eventually solve it by itself, after all, they can't reproduce without them.
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    Posted on 19:48:01 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    He is correct, it's based on religion, whether the person against it is religious or not doesn't matter.

    The science says something different.

    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?

    Hoch [1772040]

    female aborted fetuses is common in certain cultures...duh
    Listen Hochie, I don't pretend to care about some unborn woman in certain (mainly Asian) cultures, and next week make a thread how Chinese people are endangering western culture.

    If they choose to do this it's their choice, a stupid one, but not my business.
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    Hoch [1772040]

    I'm against certain types of abortions. Not based in religious views. For example gender selected, or a female having more than one and not due to fetal or mother health. Or late term.

    Nothing to do with religion.

    Capgros [2088627]

    I'd say that you or I have nothing to do with it, it's a decision that should be made by the woman and a doctor. It shouldn't be a political decision.

    Hoch [1772040]

    so the practice among certain cultures to void pregnancies of female fetuses with the nod and wink of the GP is ok with you?

    Capgros [2088627]

    That's not how it works, but you know that in the back of your head.

    Edit: and what do you mean with certain cultures?

    Hoch [1772040]

    female aborted fetuses is common in certain cultures...duh

    Capgros [2088627]

    Listen Hochie, I don't pretend to care about some unborn woman in certain (mainly Asian) cultures, and next week make a thread how Chinese people are endangering western culture.

    If they choose to do this it's their choice, a stupid one, but not my business.
    Yeah, I mean being concerned about the concerted gender gap phenomenon in the country your most concerned about ruining all your good Canadian fun is a f**ked up way of saying your concerns are all over the map.
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    I can't be the only one that got a scrunchie face reading Hoch's bullshit.
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    I can't be the only one that got a scrunchie face reading Hoch's bullshit.
    I get that anytime I come to P&L.

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    they find bacteria on mars and claim it's a sign of life..

    yet, a fetus with a heartbeat is not even classified as life..

     

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    they find bacteria on mars and claim it's a sign of life..

    yet, a fetus with a heartbeat is not even classified as life..
    What a strawman. Of course it is classified as life. The debate is whether that fetus should be given some of the same rights as a post-birth human. What gives life value?
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    R*pe is a crime we have no interest in resolving.....
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    sin [771805]

    they find bacteria on mars and claim it's a sign of life..

    yet, a fetus with a heartbeat is not even classified as life..

    Divinitywolf [2160704]

    What a strawman. Of course it is classified as life. The debate is whether that fetus should be given some of the same rights as a post-birth human. What gives life value?
    good question, what does give life value?


    I think the majority of species who realize that they are pregnant see a value in what's happening, and will automatically prepare for the pregnancy. They will become protective of what's going on with themselves, protect their offspring, and may feel sadness and loss if those offspring are taken away.

    The only animal that I can think of that has no value for life constantly and will kill for the thrill, is a Cat..

    Humans have created a whole different value system. We don't see any moral (or what we define as moral) value in most life because we feel that we're the superior species, and pretty much all of it is either a food source, useable, or just disposable in some way to us. Value then starts to become a price tag to us, and people will even pay $$$ to exterminate life.

    In the end, it's a debate that runs concurrent with the Death Penalty & Inmates.

    So to your question, it would ultimately be Humans who give life value, I guess..

    If animals could speak, they may say otherwise..

     

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    sin [771805]

    they find bacteria on mars and claim it's a sign of life..

    yet, a fetus with a heartbeat is not even classified as life..

    Divinitywolf [2160704]

    What a strawman. Of course it is classified as life. The debate is whether that fetus should be given some of the same rights as a post-birth human. What gives life value?

    sin [771805]

    good question, what does give life value?


    I think the majority of species who realize that they are pregnant see a value in what's happening, and will automatically prepare for the pregnancy. They will become protective of what's going on with themselves, protect their offspring, and may feel sadness and loss if those offspring are taken away.

    The only animal that I can think of that has no value for life constantly and will kill for the thrill, is a Cat..

    Humans have created a whole different value system. We don't see any moral (or what we define as moral) value in most life because we feel that we're the superior species, and pretty much all of it is either a food source, useable, or just disposable in some way to us. Value then starts to become a price tag to us, and people will even pay $$$ to exterminate life.

    In the end, it's a debate that runs concurrent with the Death Penalty & Inmates.

    So to your question, it would ultimately be Humans who give life value, I guess..

    If animals could speak, they may say otherwise..
    Those are some good points. I agree it is us that ultimately decide what has value. We also have a scale of value, so we might value our pets but murdering a pet will get a far less severe punishment than murdering a person. 

    With the scale of value in mind, the question then becomes to what extent should we value a fetus? I've heard people argue that the potential for life should mean we value it the same as the human it will become, and I've heard people say that because it is not currently a conscious, self-sustaining life that it shouldn't be given the same consideration.

    For me it seems strange to give something the same value just based on potential. I do not value an acorn the same as a tree. The issue I have with this whole debate is that it becomes almost entirely a philosophical issue, with no clear consensus, therefore people should not be forcing their beliefs onto others.
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