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    Posted on 13:56:30 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?
    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.
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    Posted on 14:18:57 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.
    You're speaking to the choir Sag.

    First he wanted to disregard her political affiliations, then flip flopped to bring them up.

    It's a headache following the mentality.
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    Posted on 16:14:39 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.

    -El- [463504]

    You're speaking to the choir Sag.

    First he wanted to disregard her political affiliations, then flip flopped to bring them up.

    It's a headache following the mentality.
    Pretty soon they'll be telling us that Ashley Babbitt died for our sins.
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    Posted on 20:13:00 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.
    She didn’t deserve to die though, implying she does is arguing in bad faith.
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    Posted on 23:24:02 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.

    -El- [463504]

    You're speaking to the choir Sag.

    First he wanted to disregard her political affiliations, then flip flopped to bring them up.

    It's a headache following the mentality.

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Pretty soon they'll be telling us that Ashley Babbitt died for our sins.
    That looks accurate.

    They only care about who she voted for. Nothing else.
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    Posted on 23:49:53 - 25/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    She didn’t deserve to die though, implying she does is arguing in bad faith.
    I could be wrong, but I don't think he believes she deserved to die, just that everything which led up to her death were choices she made.

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    Posted on 08:58:23 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    Sagramor [1908287]

    Trying to breach a room to help a mob breach the room with vips inside strikes me as just the kind of thing that will get you shot at.

    Mo Brooks was involved and is complicit with her death by trying to delay the evacuation of the hall by calling for another vote while protesters had already made it inside the building. Had he not done so, security would have backed out of the room and she wouldn't have been shot.

    Easy to spread the blame, her actions were her own though.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    She didn’t deserve to die though, implying she does is arguing in bad faith.
    It's not a question of deserving or not.

    It's a question of did she engage in unlawful activities in a restricted area that had a high potential of endangering VIPs, and did security, as per their training, mitigate the risk posed by her activities.

    There were 4 of them trying hold back this crowd while Congressmembers and their staff were evacuating. She tried to force an entry. It's a justified shooting. Had she not tried to go in by the window, then it would likely be unjustified.

    Whether she deserved to die or not is irrelevant, she's dead from actions she undertook. Personal responsibility and accountability is not just there for convenience.
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    Posted on 09:22:03 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    One group of people attempted to break through a barrier. It was one of many barriers broken that day.

    The people defending the barrier this time had guns. We don't know exactly who or what they were protecting directly, but my impression is it was close to the House Chamber, where members of Congress were still located.

    The people defending the barrier understood they had to hold it.

    At that point, it didn't matter who or what came through the barrier. It could have been an Islamic extremist or a little old lady. I doubt anyone defending it was looking to see who was coming through. One person fired a shot.

    Given what happened to Capitol police elsewhere and their inability to stop the mob, use of force here seems justified. Fortunately, it caused the entire group at the barrier to stop. No one else tried climbing through after that.

    Did they seriously think they could destroy the building, locate the Senators, and kill them and no one was going to fight back? Quite frankly, I'm amazed more of them weren't shot.

    Her death had nothing to do with her race, gender, age or anything else about who she was. It had to do with her climbing through a broken barrier that was the line that security decided to defend.

    I was following several news feeds online when the shooting occurred. In one news feed, a young man came out of the building, visibly upset, and showed some footage he'd captured to the news reporter, saying "they shot her, I think she's dead". The news reporter briefly showed the footage and continued to talk to the young man, but within a couple minutes first the audio cut out and then the video. Clearly the new agency realized what had happened and knew the could not broadcast images of that woman dying.

    I did see it. And it certainly looked like she was dying. No one else attempted to cross the barrier after that. It is tragic that it happened, but viewing that scene I can't think what else could have happened. They were all in the wrong place, and that should have been blatantly obvious to all of them.
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    Posted on 12:40:27 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    One group of people attempted to break through a barrier. It was one of many barriers broken that day.

    The people defending the barrier this time had guns. We don't know exactly who or what they were protecting directly, but my impression is it was close to the House Chamber, where members of Congress were still located.

    The people defending the barrier understood they had to hold it.

    At that point, it didn't matter who or what came through the barrier. It could have been an Islamic extremist or a little old lady. I doubt anyone defending it was looking to see who was coming through. One person fired a shot.

    Given what happened to Capitol police elsewhere and their inability to stop the mob, use of force here seems justified. Fortunately, it caused the entire group at the barrier to stop. No one else tried climbing through after that.

    Did they seriously think they could destroy the building, locate the Senators, and kill them and no one was going to fight back? Quite frankly, I'm amazed more of them weren't shot.

    Her death had nothing to do with her race, gender, age or anything else about who she was. It had to do with her climbing through a broken barrier that was the line that security decided to defend.

    I was following several news feeds online when the shooting occurred. In one news feed, a young man came out of the building, visibly upset, and showed some footage he'd captured to the news reporter, saying "they shot her, I think she's dead". The news reporter briefly showed the footage and continued to talk to the young man, but within a couple minutes first the audio cut out and then the video. Clearly the new agency realized what had happened and knew the could not broadcast images of that woman dying.

    I did see it. And it certainly looked like she was dying. No one else attempted to cross the barrier after that. It is tragic that it happened, but viewing that scene I can't think what else could have happened. They were all in the wrong place, and that should have been blatantly obvious to all of them.
    The various screen captures from the incident and timestamps indicate the shooting happened outside the doors to the Speaker's lobby which leads to the House floor (vantage point in blue)


    We also know from various comms and tweets (some of which may indicate a measure of coordination with protesters) that House members were still on the floor when Ashli tried to enter.

    Had she been able to distract one or two of the security personnel, the rest of the rioters might have gained entry. She's no martyr or Saint.
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    Posted on 17:16:45 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    CRLF [2095076]

    One group of people attempted to break through a barrier. It was one of many barriers broken that day.

    The people defending the barrier this time had guns. We don't know exactly who or what they were protecting directly, but my impression is it was close to the House Chamber, where members of Congress were still located.

    The people defending the barrier understood they had to hold it.

    At that point, it didn't matter who or what came through the barrier. It could have been an Islamic extremist or a little old lady. I doubt anyone defending it was looking to see who was coming through. One person fired a shot.

    Given what happened to Capitol police elsewhere and their inability to stop the mob, use of force here seems justified. Fortunately, it caused the entire group at the barrier to stop. No one else tried climbing through after that.

    Did they seriously think they could destroy the building, locate the Senators, and kill them and no one was going to fight back? Quite frankly, I'm amazed more of them weren't shot.

    Her death had nothing to do with her race, gender, age or anything else about who she was. It had to do with her climbing through a broken barrier that was the line that security decided to defend.

    I was following several news feeds online when the shooting occurred. In one news feed, a young man came out of the building, visibly upset, and showed some footage he'd captured to the news reporter, saying "they shot her, I think she's dead". The news reporter briefly showed the footage and continued to talk to the young man, but within a couple minutes first the audio cut out and then the video. Clearly the new agency realized what had happened and knew the could not broadcast images of that woman dying.

    I did see it. And it certainly looked like she was dying. No one else attempted to cross the barrier after that. It is tragic that it happened, but viewing that scene I can't think what else could have happened. They were all in the wrong place, and that should have been blatantly obvious to all of them.

    Sagramor [1908287]

    The various screen captures from the incident and timestamps indicate the shooting happened outside the doors to the Speaker's lobby which leads to the House floor (vantage point in blue)


    We also know from various comms and tweets (some of which may indicate a measure of coordination with protesters) that House members were still on the floor when Ashli tried to enter.

    Had she been able to distract one or two of the security personnel, the rest of the rioters might have gained entry. She's no martyr or Saint.
    If the guard had hesitated, Ashli may have distracted them long enough for several people to make it through, resulting in a lot more people getting shot. 

    Imagine four or five bodies in that hall instead of one. The guards would have stopped the mob from reaching the Congressmen, but at a higher cost of life.

    The capitol guards out front were lightly armed and outnumbered. But it makes sense that in any true security situation, there would be secret service members as the last line of defense for our top elected officials.

    For those readers having a problem with GOP rioters, ask yourself what would happen if a mob of antifa had stormed the White House seeking to kill Trump. If they'd broken through the first defenses and were a hallway away from Trump, what would the Secret Service guys have done?

    They would have fired shots if there was any risk that the mob would continue moving forward.

    Note that the guards did NOT continue to fire shots after the first shot. Once the crowd backed off, they just held their position. If they had been out to kill rioters, there would have been a lot more bodies.
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    Posted on 18:22:21 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    After the Capitol Police investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing of LT Michael Byrd of the shooting of Babbitt...
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    Posted on 18:24:40 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    brisky [2603292]

    After the Capitol Police investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing of LT Michael Byrd of the shooting of Babbitt...
    Limpd already said that.

    Try to not copy someone and keep it movin'.
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    Posted on 18:50:05 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    After the Capitol Police investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing of LT Michael Byrd of the shooting of Babbitt...
    And if the investigation had been by another service branch, it would have been "brothers in blue". If it had been a non-partisan review, it would have been "Democrats ruling". If it had been reviewed by an all-GOP panel, it would have been "RINOs"...

    And if it had been reviewed by Mr Pillow and Sidney Powell and approved by Trump... it would have been a circus and Babbitt would have been a secret antifa agent planted by the Chinese at the behest of Obama's dead grandmother.

    I think that covers all the bases.
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    Posted on 23:21:22 - 26/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during Capitol riot breaks silence: 'I saved countless lives'

    “I hope they understand I did my job,” Byrd said. “There was imminent threat and danger to the members of Congress. I just want the truth to be told.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-riot-breaks-silence-n1277736

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    But in his interview with Holt, Byrd said he has no doubt that he made the right decision in light of the circumstances.

    “I know that day I saved countless lives,” Byrd said. “I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that’s my job.”

    Byrd said he had no idea whether the person he shot was carrying a weapon. It was only later that night that he found out that the rioter was a woman who was unarmed.

    Asked why he pulled the trigger, Byrd said it was a “last resort.”

    “I tried to wait as long as I could,” he told Holt. “I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers.
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    Officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during Capitol riot breaks silence: 'I saved countless lives'

    “I hope they understand I did my job,” Byrd said. “There was imminent threat and danger to the members of Congress. I just want the truth to be told.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-during-capitol-riot-breaks-silence-n1277736

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    But in his interview with Holt, Byrd said he has no doubt that he made the right decision in light of the circumstances.

    “I know that day I saved countless lives,” Byrd said. “I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that’s my job.”

    Byrd said he had no idea whether the person he shot was carrying a weapon. It was only later that night that he found out that the rioter was a woman who was unarmed.

    Asked why he pulled the trigger, Byrd said it was a “last resort.”

    “I tried to wait as long as I could,” he told Holt. “I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers.
    She was a huge person like 110lbs would of been really hard to stop your just making shit up now about the extreme danger she was

    Triumph is an inevitable source of greatness

    For all things to exist they must collide

    Procrastination is not determination

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    Posted on 08:07:47 - 27/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Imagine thinking it's a cops "job" to kill unarmed people.

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    Imagine thinking it's a cops "job" to kill unarmed people.
    Imagine thinking it's not a cops job given by US congressional power and US Code to protect the people and property of the highest legislative office in the entire country.
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    Bhappychap [2270497]

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Imagine thinking it's a cops "job" to kill unarmed people.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Imagine thinking it's not a cops job given by US congressional power and US Code to protect the people and property of the highest legislative office in the entire country.
    Protect them, by murdering an unarmed woman?  You think that is their job?  Notice how all the other cops didn't kill any unarmed people?

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