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    Posted on 01:43:41 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    She was the wrong color for the media and politicians to care about her death.
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    Posted on 02:15:47 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    the usual garbage.

    She became a US citizen in 2000 at the age of 17. She had no reason to commit any sort of immigration fraud, she already lived here legally.

    She married Elmi in 2009. If you're saying she married Hirsi before that, where is the marriage license? Marriage licenses are public record.

    She had an unofficial, religion-based marriage to Hirsi. They had two children and then they ended their faith-marriage in 2008. It was never a legal marriage. There is no legal divorce because there was no legal marriage.

    In 2009, she legally married Elsi. In 2011, they split up (she says they had a faith-based divorce) but she remained legally married to him. She went back to Hirsi.

    In 2017, she obtained the legal divorce from Elsi and legally married Hirsi. In 2019, she also divorced Hirsi.

    Again, she had no need to skirt immigration laws -- she was already a US citizen.

    While I can agree her personal life is messy (she's now married to Tim Mynett), she has not committed any crimes.

    Elmi was a British national. Omar came to the US from Somalia as a child with her father and other family members (her mother died when Ilhan was two). There's no way Elmi could be her brother.

    I honestly don't know what you're trying to achieve here.
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    Posted on 02:22:19 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


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    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?
    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

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    Posted on 04:42:50 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    the usual garbage.

    She became a US citizen in 2000 at the age of 17. She had no reason to commit any sort of immigration fraud, she already lived here legally.

    She married Elmi in 2009. If you're saying she married Hirsi before that, where is the marriage license? Marriage licenses are public record.

    She had an unofficial, religion-based marriage to Hirsi. They had two children and then they ended their faith-marriage in 2008. It was never a legal marriage. There is no legal divorce because there was no legal marriage.

    In 2009, she legally married Elsi. In 2011, they split up (she says they had a faith-based divorce) but she remained legally married to him. She went back to Hirsi.

    In 2017, she obtained the legal divorce from Elsi and legally married Hirsi. In 2019, she also divorced Hirsi.

    Again, she had no need to skirt immigration laws -- she was already a US citizen.

    While I can agree her personal life is messy (she's now married to Tim Mynett), she has not committed any crimes.

    Elmi was a British national. Omar came to the US from Somalia as a child with her father and other family members (her mother died when Ilhan was two). There's no way Elmi could be her brother.

    I honestly don't know what you're trying to achieve here.
    No one thinks Omar did this for herself, but to Help Elmi.  

    And to be honest, this story doesn't seem to be without merit. She's always been rather shady, and many investigations, even ones sympathetic to her, have gotten no cooperation whatsoever from her, or anyone in her family.


    Don't know about you, but if they were accusing me of that, and I could disprove it so easily, I'd do so and rub it in their face. That isn't to say she is 100% guilty, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet she did marry her brother to get him US citizenship.

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    Posted on 08:01:26 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.
    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...
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    Posted on 08:18:48 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...
    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.
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    Posted on 08:37:30 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

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    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.
    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them. 




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.
    Why not make it an open investigation, then?  Why the secrecy?  Why hide the Officers name? That isn't acceptable.

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    Posted on 09:04:20 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.
    For your analogy to work, the officer that shot her would have had to have sought Babbitt out and went out of his way to have shot her. However that is not the case. It's not the same and also not really important.

    But you're right, she didn't deserve to die. Interesting though how I've never even had a conversation with you before and you flag me as a leftist (I had a good laugh).

    My observations are coming from my experience standing armed watches while in the military and having the authority to employ deadly force if necessary. Everyone keeps looking at this as Monday morning quarterback having the benefit of being able to process information of what happened that day. That officer in that moment, having imperfect information, made a decision to employ deadly force because he was part of the last line of defense between those that stormed the Capitol Building and the retreating members of congress. It might not have been extensively coordinated, however mob mentality is whole different beast where people do stuff they might not normally do.
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    Posted on 09:04:55 - 24/08/21 (1 month ago)
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    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.
    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job. 

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.
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    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Why not make it an open investigation, then? Why the secrecy? Why hide the Officers name? That isn't acceptable.
    I don't disagree.
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    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job.

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.
    Well the capitol police got another 2 billion in funding
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    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job.

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.
    I guess you can make that same argument for Floyd and Rice if we're going that route, amirite?
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    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job.

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.

    brisky [2603292]

    I guess you can make that same argument for Floyd and Rice if we're going that route, amirite?
    You are using a bunch of situations that do not relate. With George Floydd they murdered him because they knew he was not doing well and they were still on his neck.
    With Tamir Rice the police did not even say drop the gun they did a drive by basically.

    See how that is different from shooting someone climbing through a widow they already warned not to go in . She was a threat if she got through she could have opened the door and all of the rest would charged in. Her being shot got the rest to stop . It is unfortunate that it had to happen that way. but This is not victim blaming. This is nothing like **** and you are disgusting to compare it to that.

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    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job.

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.

    brisky [2603292]

    I guess you can make that same argument for Floyd and Rice if we're going that route, amirite?
    Floyd was cuffed and face down. If you find that threatening, you shouldn't be a copper.

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    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.
    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did



    Eh?

    Show me where I said that.

    And seriously...stop the weak comparisons.
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    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    She crossed a VIP line. Officer was doing their job.

    You cannot "guess" intentions like that. She was shot due to her actions.

    brisky [2603292]

    I guess you can make that same argument for Floyd and Rice if we're going that route, amirite?
    Nope. Try again.
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    SaintLuke [2220265]

    She was in the capital with a mob... I don't know many good outcomes from that situation for somebody in her shoes.

    brisky [2603292]

    Regardless of Ms. Babbitt's political affiliations or associations, I don't think her actions warrant her death when she was unarmed, do you?

    DrZed [237786]

    It seems like you are putting her political affiliations into play here. If she was not there she would not have been shot. So in the end her death is her own fault. What did she think was going to happen in that sort of situation.

    brisky [2603292]

    >If she was not there she would not have been shot.

    That's like saying if that woman wasn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been r-aped or if George Floyd would have just complied, he wouldn't have got a knee to the neck and not suffocated or if Tamir Rice wasn't playing with the toy gun. Sounds a bit like victim blaming. Babbitt didn't deserve to die. The officer shot the girl from behind a barricaded door.

    I'm putting her political affiliations into play here because for the last 8 months, we've been told that "the January 6th insurrection by Trump voters" yadda yadda yadda and there is no denying she was a Trump supporter.



    I guess protecting your own doesn't matter if it's the other side...

    angrysc0tsman12 [1099272]

    Your analogy doesn't quite work but I digress.

    Ashli Babbitt died because in the chaos and confusion of January 6th, a Capitol Police Officer applied the use of deadly force based on a perceived threat which was found to have met the objective reasonableness standard. Was she unarmed? Yes she was. However in that moment there was no way to know this. The Capitol Police's mandate is to protect congress which includes its members. So while this was a tragic outcome, I can understand why the officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.

    brisky [2603292]

    Of course you don't want it to work because then it makes your insurrection narrative fall apart like it has been for the last 8 months that has been harped on and on by the likes of Don LeMon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Cuomo and the rest of them.




    Directly from Reuters. Like I said - Babbitt didn't deserve to die.

    Leftists like you, Zed, and El believed she did and that's OK. We can have that peaceful disagreement. I don't believe that protesters deserve to die.
    I never said that it is okay that she died. I am just saying you need to be responsible for your own actions and that is what lead to her death. 

    Do not tie me into the corporate Media I do not watch it. The thing is you see everything as a political side issue. Not everything has to be. Though tooo many people flip flop on their responses on things. Did the cops tell her to stop. She continued to climb through the window. But a lot of people who in other situations say that she just should have complied and she would not be dead. But then they seem to see her as a hero and not a terrorist attacking the capital. IT does not matter what party she was a part of it was what she was doing I do not agree with.

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    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    She was the wrong color for the media and politicians to care about her death.
    Huge lie.

    You weren't serious when you wrote this, I'm sure.
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    Limpd [789073]

    Capitol Police have investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing in the murder of unarmed 14-year Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


    SporkMonkey [2065017]

    She was the wrong color for the media and politicians to care about her death.

    -El- [463504]

    Huge lie.

    You weren't serious when you wrote this, I'm sure.
    I think the my purpose was misunderstood.

    She was white and her life couldn't be used to further an agenda by the media or politicians. That is a criticism of the media and politicians not minimizing anyone being tragically killed by over aggressive police.

    She had no parades. No statues. No politicians celebrating her birthday like they were of others. Personally, I find the politicizing of anyone's death disgusting, but that's me.
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