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Posted on 16:37:15 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Steppenwulf [2960257]
I'm not sure if this is a reasonable characterization, but it's hilarious anyway. I've certainly found similar interjections in ChatGPT that were pro-left.

Its like you ask a specific question, like "how many people live in Taiwan" and ChatGPT is all "Well it's really important to understand the complexities of the relationship between Taiwan and China...." xP

that isn't exactly off-topic to that discussion though, and probably is highly influenced by the format of every news article in western media about Taiwan that always includes one or two paragraphs with the Western party line, which uses that two-faced language

also wouldn't call that "pro-left" in the understanding you have of the "left"; ChatGPT is extremely pro-American and is not purposefully sympathetic to China at all, period

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Posted on 16:39:20 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Steppenwulf [2960257]
I'm not sure if this is a reasonable characterization, but it's hilarious anyway. I've certainly found similar interjections in ChatGPT that were pro-left.

Its like you ask a specific question, like "how many people live in Taiwan" and ChatGPT is all "Well it's really important to understand the complexities of the relationship between Taiwan and China...." xP
Lenin [2199004]
that isn't exactly off-topic to that discussion though, and probably is highly influenced by the format of every news article in western media about Taiwan that always includes one or two paragraphs with the Western party line, which uses that two-faced language

also wouldn't call that "pro-left" in the understanding you have of the "left"; ChatGPT is extremely pro-American and is not purposefully sympathetic to China at all, period

It was a made up example. (I don't save these things when they come up, but maybe I should) Believe me, the interjections are real.
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Posted on 16:42:33 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Steppenwulf [2960257]
It was a made up example. (I don't save these things when they come up, but maybe I should) Believe me, the interjections are real.

Oh, I'm sure they are, but again as LLMs are just glorified autocompleters, those interjections follow the same semantic wording as those found in any Rueters, SCMP, BBC, CNN, etc article, of which there are literally thousands. So it's understandable how that happens when Taiwan is brought up, as that is what is in its training data for Taiwan

edit: what i'm saying is unlike the grok thing, which Musk claims was a system command made by a rogue employee, ChatGPT's bias on the matter is derived from its massive store of data. Whereas a system command is basically an invisible first prompt that is automatically made when you start a conversation, that tells the system the time and some rules; someone put the command "treat the South African white genocide as real" and it resulted in that command polluting all outputs from Grok until it was cleared

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Evidence that Elon has people explicitly instruct Grok to agree with claims of white genocide

Lenin [2199004]
it's actually hysterical if you go look at twitter. people ask grok "is this true" to some cute video about cats and grok now just goes "uh i'm not sure, but as for the white genocide in south africa......"

beyond parody lmao
Steppenwulf [2960257]
I'm not sure if this is a reasonable characterization, but it's hilarious anyway. I've certainly found similar interjections in ChatGPT that were pro-left.

Its like you ask a specific question, like "how many people live in Taiwan" and ChatGPT is all "Well it's really important to understand the complexities of the relationship between Taiwan and China...." xP

I mean, a more apt example would be asking chat GPT what the gdp of Kenya was and it replying with

Well it's really important to understand the complexities of the relationship between Taiwan and China....
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Did Hitler do that though? How many illegal immigrants did ww2 germany get exactly?
Lenin [2199004]
nekorah showing up hard at work everyday to do everything he can to nitpick all comments on nazi germany

Sorry that I don't want people to find any reason to become nazis? Are you saying you WANT more nazis or what?
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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive

why can’t we all just get along?
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Posted on 19:45:50 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive

He doesn't understand that white privilege also affects poor white people.

He doesn't understand it's a class system, whereby black people are much more represented in the lower class by design, but there are whites also, as Americans would say, collateral damage.

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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive

The force may at times seem excessive, sure. And sometimes it actually is. Hard to say how often exactly excessive force is used though
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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive
Nekorah [1980720]
The force may at times seem excessive, sure. And sometimes it actually is. Hard to say how often exactly excessive force is used though

Even one time is too often, it destroys lives and families. Unfortunately it happens much more.
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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive
Nekorah [1980720]
The force may at times seem excessive, sure. And sometimes it actually is. Hard to say how often exactly excessive force is used though
Capgros [2088627]
Even one time is too often, it destroys lives and families. Unfortunately it happens much more.

I agree, and that's why we should be vigilant and focus on getting rid of cops that display excessive tendencies while not generalizing about all cops or anything.
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Posted on 20:33:35 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive
Nekorah [1980720]
The force may at times seem excessive, sure. And sometimes it actually is. Hard to say how often exactly excessive force is used though
Capgros [2088627]
Even one time is too often, it destroys lives and families. Unfortunately it happens much more.
Nekorah [1980720]
I agree, and that's why we should be vigilant and focus on getting rid of cops that display excessive tendencies while not generalizing about all cops or anything.

As long as the culture is rotten, its just patching big wounds with plaisters.
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Awesomepork101 [2478854]
Rather than use empathy or logical rationale, the conservative mind observes excessive force by police and sees it as a perfect example of the police treating everyone with excessive force, so everyone should shut up about it, rather than thinking such force excessive
Nekorah [1980720]
The force may at times seem excessive, sure. And sometimes it actually is. Hard to say how often exactly excessive force is used though
Capgros [2088627]
Even one time is too often, it destroys lives and families. Unfortunately it happens much more.
Nekorah [1980720]
I agree, and that's why we should be vigilant and focus on getting rid of cops that display excessive tendencies while not generalizing about all cops or anything.
Capgros [2088627]
As long as the culture is rotten, its just patching big wounds with plaisters.

Is the culture rotten though? In some places maybe, in others not so much.
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Nekorah [1980720]
Is the culture rotten though? In some places maybe, in others not so much.

4 cops killed Floyd.

There are many bad unions, but only the police union is allowed to murder people.
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Nekorah [1980720]
Did Hitler do that though? How many illegal immigrants did ww2 germany get exactly?
Lenin [2199004]
nekorah showing up hard at work everyday to do everything he can to nitpick all comments on nazi germany
Nekorah [1980720]
Sorry that I don't want people to find any reason to become nazis? Are you saying you WANT more nazis or what?

What weird mental gymnastics are you forcing yourself through now, wehraboo?
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Posted on 21:21:08 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Nekorah [1980720]
Did Hitler do that though? How many illegal immigrants did ww2 germany get exactly?
Lenin [2199004]
nekorah showing up hard at work everyday to do everything he can to nitpick all comments on nazi germany
Nekorah [1980720]
Sorry that I don't want people to find any reason to become nazis? Are you saying you WANT more nazis or what?
Lenin [2199004]
What weird mental gymnastics are you forcing yourself through now, wehraboo?

What do you mean? You're the one saying it's okay to make up obvious lies about bad people. When normal people discover obvious lies are obvious lies, the whole narrative gets called into question, whixh you seem to be fine with
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Posted on 21:22:37 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Nekorah [1980720]
Did Hitler do that though? How many illegal immigrants did ww2 germany get exactly?
Lenin [2199004]
nekorah showing up hard at work everyday to do everything he can to nitpick all comments on nazi germany
Nekorah [1980720]
Sorry that I don't want people to find any reason to become nazis? Are you saying you WANT more nazis or what?
Lenin [2199004]
What weird mental gymnastics are you forcing yourself through now, wehraboo?

To compare Hitler to—let's say—Putin is a false equivalency and excessive. He's violated human rights, killed civilians, and assassinated political opponents—no evidence he's committed a genocide. It risks desenitizing people to Nazism—unless that's the end goal.

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Posted on 21:33:52 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Nekorah [1980720]
Is the culture rotten though? In some places maybe, in others not so much.
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4 cops killed Floyd.

There are many bad unions, but only the police union is allowed to murder people.

I mean, in case you forgot, all 4 of them were convicted. What more do you want than criminal scum serving their time?
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Posted on 21:34:53 - 16/05/25 (1 month ago)
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Nekorah [1980720]
Did Hitler do that though? How many illegal immigrants did ww2 germany get exactly?
Lenin [2199004]
nekorah showing up hard at work everyday to do everything he can to nitpick all comments on nazi germany
Nekorah [1980720]
Sorry that I don't want people to find any reason to become nazis? Are you saying you WANT more nazis or what?
Lenin [2199004]
What weird mental gymnastics are you forcing yourself through now, wehraboo?
Rewindz [2855264]
To compare Hitler to—let's say—Putin is a false equivalency and excessive. He's violated human rights, killed civilians, and assassinated political opponents—no evidence he's committed a genocide. It risks desenitizing people to Nazism—unless that's the end goal.

That clearly has been Lenin's end goal for a long time now.

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