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    Posted on 14:25:33 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    He took something and made it something new, and better. it's like when a caveman took a rock and shaped it into a wheel.

    You sure have a hate boner for Elon Musk. It's pretty damn amusing.

    Capgros [2088627]

    " it's like when a caveman took a rock and shaped it into a wheel."

    bhwahahaha, you have a good sense of humor i must say, it's not reality though, I don't hate him, I just don't take him seriously, you seem to have an obvious boner for him though.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Boner for him? Nah, not exactly. I just think he is what billionaires should be. People who use their vast wealth and fame to help humanity. Even if it isn't "enough" help for some, its leagues better than what most rich f**ks do. You don't seem wall street or hedge fund f**kers doing jack shit to help people.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

    Menial Tasks, Slurs and Swastikas: Many Black Workers at Tesla Say They Faced Racism
    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

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    Posted on 14:29:40 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Most millionaires are worthless. There aren't many Elon Musk in the world. He's a billionaire, but he at least keeps inventing, keeps trying to better the world. Most just live the good life.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Elon Musk didn't invent anything.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    https://openlab.citytech.cuny.edu/gotconcept/elon-musks-greatest-inventions/


    Thanks for the input.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    do you unironically believe Elon Musk is the inventor of the hyper loop?

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    The research I did on Google seems to think it was Musk, so yeah?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    the original thinker who came up with the concept is Robert Goddard. in 1909. over 100 years ago. Elon even mentions it himself

    and Elon is yet to come even remotely close to building it. not even a single prototype has been built yet.

    Elon musk is simply advocating it. he isn't the only one who came up with the idea. he isn't the one who is building it. he isn't even the one who is paying for it.
    I'm sure the idea has evolved WILDLY from the idea thought of in 1909.  Let's not kid ourselves.

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    Posted on 14:37:34 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    " it's like when a caveman took a rock and shaped it into a wheel."

    bhwahahaha, you have a good sense of humor i must say, it's not reality though, I don't hate him, I just don't take him seriously, you seem to have an obvious boner for him though.

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Boner for him? Nah, not exactly. I just think he is what billionaires should be. People who use their vast wealth and fame to help humanity. Even if it isn't "enough" help for some, its leagues better than what most rich f**ks do. You don't seem wall street or hedge fund f**kers doing jack shit to help people.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

    Menial Tasks, Slurs and Swastikas: Many Black Workers at Tesla Say They Faced Racism

    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)
    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.
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    Posted on 14:54:03 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Boner for him? Nah, not exactly. I just think he is what billionaires should be. People who use their vast wealth and fame to help humanity. Even if it isn't "enough" help for some, its leagues better than what most rich f**ks do. You don't seem wall street or hedge fund f**kers doing jack shit to help people.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

    Menial Tasks, Slurs and Swastikas: Many Black Workers at Tesla Say They Faced Racism

    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.
    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.

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    Posted on 14:58:57 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

    Menial Tasks, Slurs and Swastikas: Many Black Workers at Tesla Say They Faced Racism

    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    Asemov [2270413]

    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.
    They were not, you are stating a Neonazi theory:

    In August 2018, US President Donald Trump was accused of endorsing the conspiracy theory in a foreign policy tweet instructing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to investigate South African "land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers",[36][37][38] claiming that the "South African government is now seizing land from white farmers".[39] The often critical narrative derived from the South African farm attacks, and land reform in South Africa, is an established subset theme of the broader conspiracy theory,[26] portrayed in media as a form of gateway or proxy issue to "white genocide" within the wider context of the Western world.[40][39] The topic of farm seizures in South Africa and Zimbabwe has been a rallying cry of white nationalists and alt-right groups[41][42] who use it to justify their vision of white supremacy.[43][39]

    Far-right and alt-right figures, such as singer Steve Hofmeyr, have claimed that a "white genocide" is taking place in South Africa.[110] The South African singer, songwriter, political activist, actor, and TV presenter supports and promotes the conspiracy theory.[32][111][23] The Conversation has credited Hofmeyr with popularizing the concept.[110] In January 2017, media reported that Hofmeyr was set to meet US President-elect Donald Trump to discuss "white genocide" in South Africa.[112][113] Hofmeyr later thanked Trump when the latter shared a tweet asking "Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers."[114]


    The manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, devotes an entire section to an alleged "genocide" against Afrikaners. It also contains several other references to alleged persecution of whites in South Africa and the attacks on white farmers.[110] Mike Cernovich, an American alt-right commentator, has previously stated that "white genocide in South Africa is real".[115] The survivalist group the Suidlanders has claimed credit for internationally publicizing the risks of a race war and ethnic cleansing against whites.[116][43]

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    Africa Check, a fact-checking organisation, rejected these claims as false in 2013: "In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group." Africa Check reported that while whites account for nearly 9% of the South African population they represent just 1.8% of murder victims. Lizette Lancaster from the Institute for Security Studies has said that "Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts."[117][118][119] British journalist Joe Walsh reported that the murder rates in the mainly white suburbs of Johannesburg were far lower than in the black townships of Johannesburg, leading him to conclude: "If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent's most dangerous city would not be predominately white."[42]


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    Posted on 15:01:46 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    What a complex topic... I would consider myself a Conservative Constitutionalist, leaning libertarian. Maybe the same? Words seem to have different meaning to different people.

    Taxes - Generally speaking, taxes are theft. Americans see very little in return for the taxes they are forced to give. Most of the money collected by the government is wasted. The media lies about the rich not paying enough when, in reality, 50% of people pay no taxes and those making above $100k are paying most of the taxes. I would love to see a national sales tax. You pay a fixed amount on everything you buy (except food). Let's say 25% for ease of the conversation. The number could be lower, it's not the point. Buy a new car? 25%. Buy a new private jet? 25%. Buy a home appliance? 25%. Point being, the more you spend and higher the price tag (the rich) the more you pay in taxes. EVERYONE pays something, though. It would probably make the tax code 3 pages long.

    Free market capitalist, not to be confused with the crony capitalism we currently see.

    Strong supporter of the 1st Amendment and the Right to PEACEFULLY assemble and the Right to free speech, which is usually offensive speech.

    I am a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. How strong? I believe I should be able to buy and drive a tank if I have the money for it. I believe 2A lobbyists like the NRA have failed. They should be in Chicago defending people that get hit with felony possession for having a gun they should be legally allowed to own, but don't because they are black.

    Our justice system needs to be reformed. People are being held in for profit prisons for stupid stuff, like possession of weed.

    Our education system needs to be changed. We have used the same system for 150 years with little change. Classes now look the same as they did generations ago. There is a reason STEM charters produce better educated kids than most public schools.

    The US needs to stop being the world police, but there are times when evil deserves to die. That's a fine line, but as the past 20 years have shown, there is little point to being in Afghanistan.

    Heathcare needs to be reformed. I am not for government funded healthcare, as our country cannot afford it. I would love to see drug prices come way down and insurance companies be allowed to write policies nation wide. You'd see commercials on TV for Geiko heath insurance saying to can save 15% in 15 minutes. Competition lowers prices.

    The war on drugs failed. Stop. Make weed legal, start addressing the mental health issue for people that abuse the harder stuff.

    Mental health is ignored in the US. I do not have an answer for this, but we, as a society, should stop ignoring it and blaming everything else for violent outbursts.

    I am pro-legal immigration. I have a strong history of immigration in this generation of my family. Right now, there is more money to be made in human trafficking from Mexico than in drugs. The pathway to citizenship should be clear, but at the same time there should be some expectation of being able to transition into American society. Learn functional English. Having said that, America is one of the only countries where learning a functional second language isn't the norm. Being in Texas, learning functional Spanish should be expected.

    I am not going to debate my stances. I am happy to entertain questions, but the second someone starts to tell me I am wrong and why, I will be happy to tell that person to f**k off. That's not the point of the thread.
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    Posted on 15:20:56 - 12/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

    Menial Tasks, Slurs and Swastikas: Many Black Workers at Tesla Say They Faced Racism

    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    Asemov [2270413]

    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.

    Capgros [2088627]

    They were not, you are stating a Neonazi theory:

    In August 2018, US President Donald Trump was accused of endorsing the conspiracy theory in a foreign policy tweet instructing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to investigate South African "land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers",[36][37][38] claiming that the "South African government is now seizing land from white farmers".[39] The often critical narrative derived from the South African farm attacks, and land reform in South Africa, is an established subset theme of the broader conspiracy theory,[26] portrayed in media as a form of gateway or proxy issue to "white genocide" within the wider context of the Western world.[40][39] The topic of farm seizures in South Africa and Zimbabwe has been a rallying cry of white nationalists and alt-right groups[41][42] who use it to justify their vision of white supremacy.[43][39]

    Far-right and alt-right figures, such as singer Steve Hofmeyr, have claimed that a "white genocide" is taking place in South Africa.[110] The South African singer, songwriter, political activist, actor, and TV presenter supports and promotes the conspiracy theory.[32][111][23] The Conversation has credited Hofmeyr with popularizing the concept.[110] In January 2017, media reported that Hofmeyr was set to meet US President-elect Donald Trump to discuss "white genocide" in South Africa.[112][113] Hofmeyr later thanked Trump when the latter shared a tweet asking "Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers."[114]


    The manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, devotes an entire section to an alleged "genocide" against Afrikaners. It also contains several other references to alleged persecution of whites in South Africa and the attacks on white farmers.[110] Mike Cernovich, an American alt-right commentator, has previously stated that "white genocide in South Africa is real".[115] The survivalist group the Suidlanders has claimed credit for internationally publicizing the risks of a race war and ethnic cleansing against whites.[116][43]

    Edit:

    Africa Check, a fact-checking organisation, rejected these claims as false in 2013: "In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group." Africa Check reported that while whites account for nearly 9% of the South African population they represent just 1.8% of murder victims. Lizette Lancaster from the Institute for Security Studies has said that "Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts."[117][118][119] British journalist Joe Walsh reported that the murder rates in the mainly white suburbs of Johannesburg were far lower than in the black townships of Johannesburg, leading him to conclude: "If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent's most dangerous city would not be predominately white."[42]


    Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?

    I've literally been to South Africa (Lost a few contracts to locals who I outpriced, but I support South Africa taking a citizens first approach to governance, as I wish the West would), I have friends and family who still live there to this day, I've seen physical evidence that there's a lot of growing tensions between the two races in South Africa, I've watched literal documentaries by Al Jazeera, ABC, Sky Australia, France 24, etc Or are all those outlets controlled by Neo-nazi groups? I've literally watched an interview with one of the local news outlets asking if the man is calling for a genocide against white people - And he said "not yet." not "no." - So please continue to tell me how that's Neo nazi propoganda when the interview predates Trump being in office.

    Pointing out that white farmers and land owners in South Africa are being massacred is not me saying the government is seizing land and advocating for the murder of farmers, it's me not denying the existence of these events.

    I'm sure if you lived in China too you'd be sitting here denying the Uyghur genocide as well and claiming that to be Neo nazi propoganda.

    Everything seems to be a dog whistle to you it seems.

    Have you ever reflected on the fact that everything that goes against the left's narrative seems to root back to Donald Trump and White Supremacists? The left's own QAnon/Boogie-man card. It's like you forget there's been more than the last four years to refer back to.
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    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    Asemov [2270413]

    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.

    Capgros [2088627]

    They were not, you are stating a Neonazi theory:

    In August 2018, US President Donald Trump was accused of endorsing the conspiracy theory in a foreign policy tweet instructing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to investigate South African "land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers",[36][37][38] claiming that the "South African government is now seizing land from white farmers".[39] The often critical narrative derived from the South African farm attacks, and land reform in South Africa, is an established subset theme of the broader conspiracy theory,[26] portrayed in media as a form of gateway or proxy issue to "white genocide" within the wider context of the Western world.[40][39] The topic of farm seizures in South Africa and Zimbabwe has been a rallying cry of white nationalists and alt-right groups[41][42] who use it to justify their vision of white supremacy.[43][39]

    Far-right and alt-right figures, such as singer Steve Hofmeyr, have claimed that a "white genocide" is taking place in South Africa.[110] The South African singer, songwriter, political activist, actor, and TV presenter supports and promotes the conspiracy theory.[32][111][23] The Conversation has credited Hofmeyr with popularizing the concept.[110] In January 2017, media reported that Hofmeyr was set to meet US President-elect Donald Trump to discuss "white genocide" in South Africa.[112][113] Hofmeyr later thanked Trump when the latter shared a tweet asking "Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers."[114]


    The manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, devotes an entire section to an alleged "genocide" against Afrikaners. It also contains several other references to alleged persecution of whites in South Africa and the attacks on white farmers.[110] Mike Cernovich, an American alt-right commentator, has previously stated that "white genocide in South Africa is real".[115] The survivalist group the Suidlanders has claimed credit for internationally publicizing the risks of a race war and ethnic cleansing against whites.[116][43]

    Edit:

    Africa Check, a fact-checking organisation, rejected these claims as false in 2013: "In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group." Africa Check reported that while whites account for nearly 9% of the South African population they represent just 1.8% of murder victims. Lizette Lancaster from the Institute for Security Studies has said that "Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts."[117][118][119] British journalist Joe Walsh reported that the murder rates in the mainly white suburbs of Johannesburg were far lower than in the black townships of Johannesburg, leading him to conclude: "If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent's most dangerous city would not be predominately white."[42]


    Asemov [2270413]

    Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?

    I've literally been to South Africa (Lost a few contracts to locals who I outpriced, but I support South Africa taking a citizens first approach to governance, as I wish the West would), I have friends and family who still live there to this day, I've seen physical evidence that there's a lot of growing tensions between the two races in South Africa, I've watched literal documentaries by Al Jazeera, ABC, Sky Australia, France 24, etc Or are all those outlets controlled by Neo-nazi groups? I've literally watched an interview with one of the local news outlets asking if the man is calling for a genocide against white people - And he said "not yet." not "no." - So please continue to tell me how that's Neo nazi propoganda when the interview predates Trump being in office.

    Pointing out that white farmers and land owners in South Africa are being massacred is not me saying the government is seizing land and advocating for the murder of farmers, it's me not denying the existence of these events.

    I'm sure if you lived in China too you'd be sitting here denying the Uyghur genocide as well and claiming that to be Neo nazi propoganda.

    Everything seems to be a dog whistle to you it seems.

    Have you ever reflected on the fact that everything that goes against the left's narrative seems to root back to Donald Trump and White Supremacists? The left's own QAnon/Boogie-man card. It's like you forget there's been more than the last four years to refer back to.
    My sister lived there for 10 years, her husband is from there so I know things about South Africa, more than you would like me to know

    you just state bullshit without any evidence, which makes you suspicious yeah, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I know alt right propaganda is pretty effective and a lot of people stating these theories are not alt right

    "Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?"


    It's literally a theory made up by Neonazis, sorry for the inconvenience

    The white genocide, white extinction,[1] or white replacement conspiracy theory[2][3][4] is a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] belief that there is a deliberate plot, often blamed on Jews,[5][8] to promote miscegenation,[9] interracial marriage, mass non-white immigration, racial integration, low fertility rates, abortion, governmental land-confiscation from whites, organised violence,[10] and eliminationism in white-founded countries[5] in order to cause the extinction of whites through forced assimilation[10] mass immigration, and violent genocide.[11][12][13][14] Less frequently, black people,[15] Hispanics,[16] and Muslims[17] are blamed, but merely as more fertile immigrants,[18] invaders,[19] or violent aggressors,[20] rather than the masterminds of a secret plot.[21]

    Than you jump to China which has literally nothing to do with what you are stating here, do you really compare the position of white farmers in south Africa to Uyghurs in china? WTF mate.

    I'm not some Stalinist antifa guy, just common sense basically.

    you are losing this hard.
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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    Asemov [2270413]

    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.

    Capgros [2088627]

    They were not, you are stating a Neonazi theory:

    In August 2018, US President Donald Trump was accused of endorsing the conspiracy theory in a foreign policy tweet instructing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to investigate South African "land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers",[36][37][38] claiming that the "South African government is now seizing land from white farmers".[39] The often critical narrative derived from the South African farm attacks, and land reform in South Africa, is an established subset theme of the broader conspiracy theory,[26] portrayed in media as a form of gateway or proxy issue to "white genocide" within the wider context of the Western world.[40][39] The topic of farm seizures in South Africa and Zimbabwe has been a rallying cry of white nationalists and alt-right groups[41][42] who use it to justify their vision of white supremacy.[43][39]

    Far-right and alt-right figures, such as singer Steve Hofmeyr, have claimed that a "white genocide" is taking place in South Africa.[110] The South African singer, songwriter, political activist, actor, and TV presenter supports and promotes the conspiracy theory.[32][111][23] The Conversation has credited Hofmeyr with popularizing the concept.[110] In January 2017, media reported that Hofmeyr was set to meet US President-elect Donald Trump to discuss "white genocide" in South Africa.[112][113] Hofmeyr later thanked Trump when the latter shared a tweet asking "Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers."[114]


    The manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, devotes an entire section to an alleged "genocide" against Afrikaners. It also contains several other references to alleged persecution of whites in South Africa and the attacks on white farmers.[110] Mike Cernovich, an American alt-right commentator, has previously stated that "white genocide in South Africa is real".[115] The survivalist group the Suidlanders has claimed credit for internationally publicizing the risks of a race war and ethnic cleansing against whites.[116][43]

    Edit:

    Africa Check, a fact-checking organisation, rejected these claims as false in 2013: "In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group." Africa Check reported that while whites account for nearly 9% of the South African population they represent just 1.8% of murder victims. Lizette Lancaster from the Institute for Security Studies has said that "Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts."[117][118][119] British journalist Joe Walsh reported that the murder rates in the mainly white suburbs of Johannesburg were far lower than in the black townships of Johannesburg, leading him to conclude: "If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent's most dangerous city would not be predominately white."[42]


    Asemov [2270413]

    Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?

    I've literally been to South Africa (Lost a few contracts to locals who I outpriced, but I support South Africa taking a citizens first approach to governance, as I wish the West would), I have friends and family who still live there to this day, I've seen physical evidence that there's a lot of growing tensions between the two races in South Africa, I've watched literal documentaries by Al Jazeera, ABC, Sky Australia, France 24, etc Or are all those outlets controlled by Neo-nazi groups? I've literally watched an interview with one of the local news outlets asking if the man is calling for a genocide against white people - And he said "not yet." not "no." - So please continue to tell me how that's Neo nazi propoganda when the interview predates Trump being in office.

    Pointing out that white farmers and land owners in South Africa are being massacred is not me saying the government is seizing land and advocating for the murder of farmers, it's me not denying the existence of these events.

    I'm sure if you lived in China too you'd be sitting here denying the Uyghur genocide as well and claiming that to be Neo nazi propoganda.

    Everything seems to be a dog whistle to you it seems.

    Have you ever reflected on the fact that everything that goes against the left's narrative seems to root back to Donald Trump and White Supremacists? The left's own QAnon/Boogie-man card. It's like you forget there's been more than the last four years to refer back to.

    Capgros [2088627]

    My sister lived there for 10 years, her husband is from there so I know things about South Africa, more than you would like me to know

    you just state bullshit without any evidence, which makes you suspicious yeah, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I know alt right propaganda is pretty effective and a lot of people stating these theories are not alt right

    "Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?"


    It's literally a theory made up by Neonazis, sorry for the inconvenience

    The white genocide, white extinction,[1] or white replacement conspiracy theory[2][3][4] is a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] belief that there is a deliberate plot, often blamed on Jews,[5][8] to promote miscegenation,[9] interracial marriage, mass non-white immigration, racial integration, low fertility rates, abortion, governmental land-confiscation from whites, organised violence,[10] and eliminationism in white-founded countries[5] in order to cause the extinction of whites through forced assimilation[10] mass immigration, and violent genocide.[11][12][13][14] Less frequently, black people,[15] Hispanics,[16] and Muslims[17] are blamed, but merely as more fertile immigrants,[18] invaders,[19] or violent aggressors,[20] rather than the masterminds of a secret plot.[21]

    Than you jump to China which has literally nothing to do with what you are stating here, do you really compare the position of white farmers in south Africa to Uyghurs in china? WTF mate.

    I'm not some Stalinist antifa guy, just common sense basically.

    you are losing this hard.
    Once again - Please refer to Al Jazeera - A famous white supremacist/alt-right news outlet, or ABC, France 24, etc.

    Who all covered this before Donald Trump took office.

    Even the famous alt-right CNN covered it.

    I consider a genocide a genocide, whether or not it's being perpetrated by the government.
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    Boner for him? Nah, not exactly. I just think he is what billionaires should be. People who use their vast wealth and fame to help humanity. Even if it isn't "enough" help for some, its leagues better than what most rich f**ks do. You don't seem wall street or hedge fund f**kers doing jack shit to help people.

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.
    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.
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    flipping burgers is now considered an essential job?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you can replace those 2 words with stock clerk if you disagree
    you could indeed replace them 2 words...but my reply will still be pretty much the same. Only thing i would change is the fact a monkey can put shit on a shelf.  So it does not really help your argument of them deserving $20/h or whatever it is folks are wanting now.

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    flipping burgers is now considered an essential job?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you can replace those 2 words with stock clerk if you disagree

    SaintLuke [2220265]

    you could indeed replace them 2 words...but my reply will still be pretty much the same. Only thing i would change is the fact a monkey can put shit on a shelf. So it does not really help your argument of them deserving $20/h or whatever it is folks are wanting now.
    I'd also argue from a business owners perspective for $20/hr to stock shelves I'd still rather invest in a multi million dollar automation project.

    I'd rather displace more workers than pay a handful of employees an outrageous $20/hr to stock shelves, and pay 2-3 people $40/hr to maintain the automated systems.

    If I have a choice between hiring 20 employees for $20/hr - Or the option to replace those 20 employees with 2-3 people for $40/hr, I'd rather take less employees. But that's because there's A LOT more paperwork involved with 20 employees than there is for 3.

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    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you even know where his wealth comes from?, white, rich South African parents...well....

    ZickyJackz [497258]

    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.
    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south Africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in America should be crying far less right?

    eeeeeh sorry no, white people in south Africa are in general(not all) still pretty privileged so that makes the rest of your rant also pretty useless
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    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    Asemov [2270413]

    As I said, I'm just pointing out what is going on there, I'm not denying history.

    Can you stop jumping down my throat jumping to absurd conclusions? You seem to have this hard-on with twisting the other persons point further from the topic at hand.
    but they are not massively being killed or anything like that
    To deny that farmers are being massacred left and right is disgusting don't you think? When you can go online and see video upon video of gated compounds being rushed by locals, farmers having their homes invaded (Rip LiveLeaks), and countless documentaries done by Al Jazeera, VPro, ABC, Sky News Australia, Frank 24, etc about the "reverse apartheid" - Hell I recall an interview where one of the prominent Warlords in South Africa was bluntly asked about starting another genocide and instead of saying "no" he responded with "We have not called for that yet, but it's not off the table yet."

    I'm not denying Black people were massacred over in SA in the past. (I don't deny history, I acknowledge it and strive to not repeat history)

    But I'm also not denying White people aren't being massacred over in SA now. (I acknowledge it, and point to history as a means of saying "The wrongs of the past cannot be used to shape the future if they're rooted in repeating the same wrong to achieve justice.")

    One wrong does not justify another wrong.

    Capgros [2088627]

    They were not, you are stating a Neonazi theory:

    In August 2018, US President Donald Trump was accused of endorsing the conspiracy theory in a foreign policy tweet instructing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to investigate South African "land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers",[36][37][38] claiming that the "South African government is now seizing land from white farmers".[39] The often critical narrative derived from the South African farm attacks, and land reform in South Africa, is an established subset theme of the broader conspiracy theory,[26] portrayed in media as a form of gateway or proxy issue to "white genocide" within the wider context of the Western world.[40][39] The topic of farm seizures in South Africa and Zimbabwe has been a rallying cry of white nationalists and alt-right groups[41][42] who use it to justify their vision of white supremacy.[43][39]

    Far-right and alt-right figures, such as singer Steve Hofmeyr, have claimed that a "white genocide" is taking place in South Africa.[110] The South African singer, songwriter, political activist, actor, and TV presenter supports and promotes the conspiracy theory.[32][111][23] The Conversation has credited Hofmeyr with popularizing the concept.[110] In January 2017, media reported that Hofmeyr was set to meet US President-elect Donald Trump to discuss "white genocide" in South Africa.[112][113] Hofmeyr later thanked Trump when the latter shared a tweet asking "Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers."[114]


    The manifesto of far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, devotes an entire section to an alleged "genocide" against Afrikaners. It also contains several other references to alleged persecution of whites in South Africa and the attacks on white farmers.[110] Mike Cernovich, an American alt-right commentator, has previously stated that "white genocide in South Africa is real".[115] The survivalist group the Suidlanders has claimed credit for internationally publicizing the risks of a race war and ethnic cleansing against whites.[116][43]

    Edit:

    Africa Check, a fact-checking organisation, rejected these claims as false in 2013: "In fact, whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race group." Africa Check reported that while whites account for nearly 9% of the South African population they represent just 1.8% of murder victims. Lizette Lancaster from the Institute for Security Studies has said that "Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts."[117][118][119] British journalist Joe Walsh reported that the murder rates in the mainly white suburbs of Johannesburg were far lower than in the black townships of Johannesburg, leading him to conclude: "If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent's most dangerous city would not be predominately white."[42]


    Asemov [2270413]

    Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?

    I've literally been to South Africa (Lost a few contracts to locals who I outpriced, but I support South Africa taking a citizens first approach to governance, as I wish the West would), I have friends and family who still live there to this day, I've seen physical evidence that there's a lot of growing tensions between the two races in South Africa, I've watched literal documentaries by Al Jazeera, ABC, Sky Australia, France 24, etc Or are all those outlets controlled by Neo-nazi groups? I've literally watched an interview with one of the local news outlets asking if the man is calling for a genocide against white people - And he said "not yet." not "no." - So please continue to tell me how that's Neo nazi propoganda when the interview predates Trump being in office.

    Pointing out that white farmers and land owners in South Africa are being massacred is not me saying the government is seizing land and advocating for the murder of farmers, it's me not denying the existence of these events.

    I'm sure if you lived in China too you'd be sitting here denying the Uyghur genocide as well and claiming that to be Neo nazi propoganda.

    Everything seems to be a dog whistle to you it seems.

    Have you ever reflected on the fact that everything that goes against the left's narrative seems to root back to Donald Trump and White Supremacists? The left's own QAnon/Boogie-man card. It's like you forget there's been more than the last four years to refer back to.

    Capgros [2088627]

    My sister lived there for 10 years, her husband is from there so I know things about South Africa, more than you would like me to know

    you just state bullshit without any evidence, which makes you suspicious yeah, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I know alt right propaganda is pretty effective and a lot of people stating these theories are not alt right

    "Everything has to go back to "NeOnAzI" with you huh?"


    It's literally a theory made up by Neonazis, sorry for the inconvenience

    The white genocide, white extinction,[1] or white replacement conspiracy theory[2][3][4] is a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] belief that there is a deliberate plot, often blamed on Jews,[5][8] to promote miscegenation,[9] interracial marriage, mass non-white immigration, racial integration, low fertility rates, abortion, governmental land-confiscation from whites, organised violence,[10] and eliminationism in white-founded countries[5] in order to cause the extinction of whites through forced assimilation[10] mass immigration, and violent genocide.[11][12][13][14] Less frequently, black people,[15] Hispanics,[16] and Muslims[17] are blamed, but merely as more fertile immigrants,[18] invaders,[19] or violent aggressors,[20] rather than the masterminds of a secret plot.[21]

    Than you jump to China which has literally nothing to do with what you are stating here, do you really compare the position of white farmers in south Africa to Uyghurs in china? WTF mate.

    I'm not some Stalinist antifa guy, just common sense basically.

    you are losing this hard.

    Asemov [2270413]

    Once again - Please refer to Al Jazeera - A famous white supremacist/alt-right news outlet, or ABC, France 24, etc.

    Who all covered this before Donald Trump took office.

    Even the famous alt-right CNN covered it.

    I consider a genocide a genocide, whether or not it's being perpetrated by the government.
    What you state there is crime, not the killing of white farmers, but nice try lol.

    my sister actually lived in something like that
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    Does that even matter? Your claim was that he "invented nothing".

    Again, He is filthy rich, yes. But he has done some good for humanity.

    And what does it matter that his parents are "white"? Would it somehow be better if they were Arabian? Or Asian?

    Capgros [2088627]

    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.

    Capgros [2088627]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south Africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in America should be crying far less right?

    eeeeeh sorry no, white people in south Africa are in general(not all) still pretty privileged so that makes the rest of your rant also pretty useless
    ANYONE even the poorest of america is more privileged than ANYONE in africa though....

    even the lowest of fancy western lifestyles are probably quite richer than any african lifestyle. dont see many people in africa that can lounge about sitting on their ass playing xbox all day do we? lol while alot of poor people in america can do that....
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    Well, it kind of shows white privilege, not that you can blame Musk for it, but wealthy people are not always wealthy because they are better than others.

    White from South Africa, while owning an emerald mine says something (although musk denies this), I just don't believe in the hype around rich people, but maybe you are right and my comment was a bit too harsh, on the other hand, many reports from his factories have come that he is kind of a racist dickhead towards black people, but yeah, without hard evidence that's hard to say.

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    Asemov [2270413]

    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.

    Capgros [2088627]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south Africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in America should be crying far less right?

    eeeeeh sorry no, white people in south Africa are in general(not all) still pretty privileged so that makes the rest of your rant also pretty useless

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ANYONE even the poorest of america is more privileged than ANYONE in africa though....

    even the lowest of fancy western lifestyles are probably quite richer than any african lifestyle. dont see many people in africa that can lounge about sitting on their ass playing xbox all day do we? lol while alot of poor people in america can do that....
    Do you really believe they still live in caves there or something? you obviously don't know a lot about South Africa
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    Most White, South Africans who left (Elon Musk has talked about why he left, and why he would never go back) South Africa are racist towards black South Africans.

    And for good reason, there's been growing tensions and a series of militants in South Africa hellbent on forcibly removing the white man from South Africa - People who blame the countries problems on the white man.

    When you lived in a country where neighbouring farmers or individuals would be murdered in coldblood in their fenced off communities, you grow a deeply rooted mistrust towards the group that perpetrated the crime.

    I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk - But I dig the stuff he's been working towards such as: Re-igniting the space-race in America, helping fast track the electric car industry into efficient more weather resistant electric vehicles (Just 5 years ago electric vehicles were a firm no in colder parts in Canada, Tesla has managed to keep their batteries fully functional in up to -50c), sparking a significant push into renewables and solar energy.

    But there's also a few quack ideas he's had: Hyperloop - Sorry but this is straight Sci-Fi and unpractical and comes with significant safety concerns, his projected cost/launch of his reusable rockets (So far it's actually cheaper to manufacture new rockets than refit their reusable designs, but I believe in the long run they'll be able to bring that cost per launch down significantly - Assuming we can either make more fuel efficient rockets (unlikely, but am not a physicist), or find an alternative fuel (I think we'd have to look to Sci-Fi movies/books in regards to this one)

    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.

    Capgros [2088627]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south Africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in America should be crying far less right?

    eeeeeh sorry no, white people in south Africa are in general(not all) still pretty privileged so that makes the rest of your rant also pretty useless

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ANYONE even the poorest of america is more privileged than ANYONE in africa though....

    even the lowest of fancy western lifestyles are probably quite richer than any african lifestyle. dont see many people in africa that can lounge about sitting on their ass playing xbox all day do we? lol while alot of poor people in america can do that....

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you really believe they still live in caves there or something? you obviously don't know a lot about South Africa
    no.... but still their quality of life is certainly worse than americas.

    americans are just too privileged to see their own privilege.
    we can perhaps search quality of life stats for each country and compare maybe to try and find statistical comparisons of the 2 countries to sort which one has more opportunity and better quality of life? that will probably act as a good judge between us on this perhaps?
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    Capgros [2088627]

    You couldn't make shit up, the white genocide theory......You forgot that the white man were the invading force in South Africa and took all their richness, not that every white man is guilty, surely not, but they are not massively being killed or anything like that and you can understand that over a century of keeping indigenous people poor and second hand citizens is not really constructive, actually the representation of the black people has been very mild regarding what happened after the apartheid ended. You forget that black people were massively murdered for decades.

    "In one of the most devastating aspects of apartheid, the government forcibly removed black South Africans from rural areas designated as “white” to the homelands and sold their land at low prices to white farmers. From 1961 to 1994, more than 3.5 million people were forcibly removed from their homes and deposited in the Bantustans, where they were plunged into poverty and hopelessness"

    White people in South Africa shouldn't be the ones crying.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in america should be crying far less right?

    so im not sure that ones a very good argument from a humanitarian standpoint.
    everyones human, everyone should be treated as a human wherever they are i wont even mention whatever skin colour they are because it doesnt need that divide as whatever skin colour you are you are still human. there is no difference between 1 human and the other.

    although ideology is indeed a big difference and causes problems.... but ideological differences should be sorted by debate and co-operation... which is hard when alot of them, like religions, have conditioned their followers to be like brick walls to reasoning. which is like cult behaviour, we need to get rid of cult like ideologies to progress humanity. but then again, for all i know, perhaps my idea of that is cult like too? and thus maybe my views are also a problem? would we know if we are infected by cult like views or not? probably not, as thats how hard and brick walled they make people .... which then causes a problem as to identifying the cult like ideologies that shut down reasoning and co-operation.

    Capgros [2088627]

    ehhh i dunno..... white people in south Africa are facing more discrimination and harm than black people in america.... so if white people in south america shouldnt be crying then black people in America should be crying far less right?

    eeeeeh sorry no, white people in south Africa are in general(not all) still pretty privileged so that makes the rest of your rant also pretty useless

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    ANYONE even the poorest of america is more privileged than ANYONE in africa though....

    even the lowest of fancy western lifestyles are probably quite richer than any african lifestyle. dont see many people in africa that can lounge about sitting on their ass playing xbox all day do we? lol while alot of poor people in america can do that....

    Capgros [2088627]

    Do you really believe they still live in caves there or something? you obviously don't know a lot about South Africa

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    no.... but still their quality of life is certainly worse than americas.

    americans are just too privileged to see their own privilege.
    we can perhaps search quality of life stats for each country and compare maybe to try and find statistical comparisons of the 2 countries to sort which one has more opportunity and better quality of life? that will probably act as a good judge between us on this perhaps?
    I'm pretty sure my sister had a better life there than a lot of people in the USA have, and with her many others, still in general they will be poorer yes. I also don't think that there are a lot of Americans sitting all day on their couch playing Xbox, but I don't have any statistics on that.
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    all i can manage to find on stats is this oec site thing and here is page for each country.
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/south-africa/
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/united-states/

    i did see other few things, such as how in south africa the cost of living is less, which is granted as the local jobs probably also pay pretty low, so could be good for people traveling from high wage area into south africa after having saved up money in their high wage country. also saw some say it is less rushed and theres no need for punctuality, so its more laid back, which ofcourse that would lower stress and make it feel better despite being poorer. so its probably a mixed thing. not as rich as america and not as many luxuries, but if you want a cheap less materialist life it could be better..... but americas all about materialism, and most americans are highly materialistic due to their consumer society.
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    SaintLuke [2220265]

    flipping burgers is now considered an essential job?

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    you can replace those 2 words with stock clerk if you disagree

    SaintLuke [2220265]

    you could indeed replace them 2 words...but my reply will still be pretty much the same. Only thing i would change is the fact a monkey can put shit on a shelf. So it does not really help your argument of them deserving $20/h or whatever it is folks are wanting now.

    Asemov [2270413]

    I'd also argue from a business owners perspective for $20/hr to stock shelves I'd still rather invest in a multi million dollar automation project.

    I'd rather displace more workers than pay a handful of employees an outrageous $20/hr to stock shelves, and pay 2-3 people $40/hr to maintain the automated systems.

    If I have a choice between hiring 20 employees for $20/hr - Or the option to replace those 20 employees with 2-3 people for $40/hr, I'd rather take less employees. But that's because there's A LOT more paperwork involved with 20 employees than there is for 3.
    I wish folks could understand this very simple concept...but it does not seem likely. Demand outrageous pay for the simplest jobs...them jobs will no longer be available.

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