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    Posted on 19:39:43 - 15/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Styledcurve [2493033]

    Still, the earth aint flat bro.
    still not sure who said it was

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    Styledcurve [2493033]

    Still, the earth aint flat bro.

    SaintLuke [2220265]

    still not sure who said it was

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Posted on 01:14:51 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives. 

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.
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    Posted on 01:22:06 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.
    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Posted on 02:02:15 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.
    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.
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    Posted on 02:21:29 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.
    what I'm saying is that if a developed country adopts a form socialism/communism they might not end up fascist

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Posted on 02:33:50 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    what I'm saying is that if a developed country adopts a form socialism/communism they might not end up fascist
    Yeah this is kind of true, in that socialist policies in a capitalist economy(e.g social security number) don’t lead to a fascist state, but a fully communist economy e.g Russia, China even though they adopt capitalist policies(e.g SEZs in China) tend to become fascist.
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    Posted on 04:24:50 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.
    An interesting take.

    Although as I look through history I always notice that when markets do get regulated by governments, it's typically shareholder politicians doing the regulating. Always someone with a vested interest to make it look like something positive ia being done when in reality they're just scheming to make themselves even more money.

    Almost like everyone is an anarchist when they believe they are free to act in a manner not beholdent to agreed upon laws. Company cant sell tainted medicine in the USA, then they sell it abroad. Can't get a nation to pay your price in oil, have the cia overthrow the nation and install a pupet regime. Fear everybody and everything, work with leading technologies to spy on everyone and manipulate what they think, thanks google, I hate it.

    To me, the Law remains an abstract. One, that certain kinds of individuals use to control others while disregarding it themselves. How else could it ever be tolerated, for the law enforcement sectors to investigate themselves just to find no wrong doing? Why would the fox ever say he was wrong for eating chickens?

    What can be done as someone without positions of authority and power? What ever one wants if they can just realize they're own true freedom and consequences be damned. But im no lone wolf myself so I join with the rest of the herd, going along to get along.
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    what I'm saying is that if a developed country adopts a form socialism/communism they might not end up fascist
    Interesting, what makes you think that as a citizin of any country, you have any say in legislations or any form of governance anyways?

    Voting on some individual or political party every few years?

    I see this notion as simple mindf**k, also political campaigns are paid by either tax money or "donations" by those wealthy enough that would profit from certain legislations.

    The truly wealth ones, sponsor all sides and therefore benefit the most from any camp eh
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    Posted on 16:41:38 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    what I'm saying is that if a developed country adopts a form socialism/communism they might not end up fascist

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Interesting, what makes you think that as a citizin of any country, you have any say in legislations or any form of governance anyways?

    Voting on some individual or political party every few years?

    I see this notion as simple mindf**k, also political campaigns are paid by either tax money or "donations" by those wealthy enough that would profit from certain legislations.

    The truly wealth ones, sponsor all sides and therefore benefit the most from any camp eh
    because every politician that gets elected is someone I and my country voted for. money isn't a thing in Danish politics, everyone gets mandatory time on-air and funding from the government. every single vote you get gets you funding for the next election.

    in Denmark, the rich don't have a say in politics.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Posted on 17:25:04 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    Fistyboy [1733255]

    On the Fascist - Anarchist scale I am more anarchist because I believe in limited government intervention in people's lives.

    On the communist - Free trade scale, I am more communist because I believe corporations will do what benefits them above what benefits society and that government intervention in these matters is essential.

    Obviously, my social ideology is contradictory to my economic ideology because one supports a more involved government while the other rejects this. A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible, while an anarchist society must also support free trade.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    " A communist society without fascism has proven to not be possible"

    I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that. most poor countries are fascist, most communist countries were dirt poor countries. even if communism had nothing to do with fascism it would still be likely that we didn't have any good long-term communist democracies.

    Fistyboy [1733255]

    I might be misunderstanding you but, it seems like you are agreeing with my point. Yes, countries that try to be democracies and communist to my knowledge always end up Fascist (e.g Russia still conducts "Democratic" elections).

    And yes lots of fascist countries are poor, and countries like Russia and China used to be poor. I don't really get why you are stating this though.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    what I'm saying is that if a developed country adopts a form socialism/communism they might not end up fascist

    Tyrion [1967379]

    Interesting, what makes you think that as a citizin of any country, you have any say in legislations or any form of governance anyways?

    Voting on some individual or political party every few years?

    I see this notion as simple mindf**k, also political campaigns are paid by either tax money or "donations" by those wealthy enough that would profit from certain legislations.

    The truly wealth ones, sponsor all sides and therefore benefit the most from any camp eh

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    because every politician that gets elected is someone I and my country voted for. money isn't a thing in Danish politics, everyone gets mandatory time on-air and funding from the government. every single vote you get gets you funding for the next election.

    in Denmark, the rich don't have a say in politics.
    I'm Dutch though, but Denmark is closeby enough ;)

    Are you so sure that's the case with all people in politics nowadays then?

    Lotsa positions aren't electable, besides the lobbies of international companies that influence policies all the time (without political elections).
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    to be fair, i dont see any difference between a fascist and a communist.

    there is economic differences such as commies wanting to ban private property and wanting their big government to run all business which kinda overwhelms the system as its biting off too much to chew. but both governments are just radical authoritarianist dictatorships so i dont really see much difference.
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    to be fair, i dont see any difference between a fascist and a communist.

    there is economic differences such as commies wanting to ban private property and wanting their big government to run all business which kinda overwhelms the system as its biting off too much to chew. but both governments are just radical authoritarianist dictatorships so i dont really see much difference.
    The difference is that fascism is inherently authoritarian while communism leads to an authoritarian government but the philosophy is not authoritarian itself. 

    For communism to work properly the government would have to be authoritarian while a fascist government will always be authoritarian.
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    Posted on 21:07:03 - 16/05/21 (6 months ago)
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    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    to be fair, i dont see any difference between a fascist and a communist.

    there is economic differences such as commies wanting to ban private property and wanting their big government to run all business which kinda overwhelms the system as its biting off too much to chew. but both governments are just radical authoritarianist dictatorships so i dont really see much difference.
    private property is still a thing under communism.

    it's the "means of production" that are worker-owned. your house is still yours.


    again I'm a capitalist, I just know something from all sides.

    "Refusing to help a neighbor who's house burned down is shitty. Refusing when you helped start the fire is monstrous."

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    Hoch [1772040]

    nuclear is green energy?

    ok.

    So you are volunteering Denmark to be the global nuclear waste repository site? Noice.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    nuclear is green because it gives off that green radioactive glow lol

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Nuclear is "green" because it is the most efficient power producer to waste operation we have.

    A country's entire set nuclear powerplants take less resources than even a single moderately sized wind or solar farm. Resources being the act of gathering materials, building, training people, and continued use over the years.

    It is also one of the safest, when compared with coal, gas, etc.

    In fact the only tricky part is waste disposal, of which is an actual concern. If we raise our nuclear capacity, the waste has a to have a good plan for cleaning/removal. While there has been advances here recently, its the elephant in the room there.
    Yes but in case you haven't noticed nuclear waste gives off serious amounts of radiation and is extremely dangerous especially since it takes hundreds of years to stop giving off radiation. So I would rather have gasoline than nuclear energy until they finally get fusion going
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    Hoch [1772040]

    nuclear is green energy?

    ok.

    So you are volunteering Denmark to be the global nuclear waste repository site? Noice.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    nuclear is green because it gives off that green radioactive glow lol

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Nuclear is "green" because it is the most efficient power producer to waste operation we have.

    A country's entire set nuclear powerplants take less resources than even a single moderately sized wind or solar farm. Resources being the act of gathering materials, building, training people, and continued use over the years.

    It is also one of the safest, when compared with coal, gas, etc.

    In fact the only tricky part is waste disposal, of which is an actual concern. If we raise our nuclear capacity, the waste has a to have a good plan for cleaning/removal. While there has been advances here recently, its the elephant in the room there.

    Finwe [2610862]

    Yes but in case you haven't noticed nuclear waste gives off serious amounts of radiation and is extremely dangerous especially since it takes hundreds of years to stop giving off radiation. So I would rather have gasoline than nuclear energy until they finally get fusion going
    Thousands of years*

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    Posted on 16:38:58 - 25/06/21 (5 months ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    nuclear is green energy?

    ok.

    So you are volunteering Denmark to be the global nuclear waste repository site? Noice.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    nuclear is green because it gives off that green radioactive glow lol

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Nuclear is "green" because it is the most efficient power producer to waste operation we have.

    A country's entire set nuclear powerplants take less resources than even a single moderately sized wind or solar farm. Resources being the act of gathering materials, building, training people, and continued use over the years.

    It is also one of the safest, when compared with coal, gas, etc.

    In fact the only tricky part is waste disposal, of which is an actual concern. If we raise our nuclear capacity, the waste has a to have a good plan for cleaning/removal. While there has been advances here recently, its the elephant in the room there.
    UK.GOV

    I know this isn't exactly what you're talking about, but I found it interesting.

    "The amount of radioactive waste produced in the UK is very small compared to all other forms of waste. The total mass of radioactive waste in stock and estimated to be produced over the next 100-year period will be around 5.1 million tonnes. This sounds like a lot, but, for context, the UK currently produces around 5.3 million tonnes of hazardous waste from households and businesses every year.

    When packaged, the total amount of radioactive waste produced in the UK (including waste in stock and estimated to arise over the next 100-plus years) would fill a volume around 4.5 million cubic metres, roughly the size of Wembley stadium."
    - quoted from the above link.

    We've been using nuclear for a while now. There hasn't been a problem, and they are regularly maintained and improved as the technology gets better.

    People forget that Chernobyl was using 70's Soviet technology. It was also human error. I think these days we have a better grasp of health and safety when it comes to nuke stations.

    As far as the waste goes, I know it isn't ideal, but at least it is stored in a purpose built bunker. Where does the waste go from coal stations? Id rather the storage facility than into the sky.

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    Posted on 19:13:23 - 25/06/21 (5 months ago)
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    Hoch [1772040]

    nuclear is green energy?

    ok.

    So you are volunteering Denmark to be the global nuclear waste repository site? Noice.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    nuclear is green because it gives off that green radioactive glow lol

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Nuclear is "green" because it is the most efficient power producer to waste operation we have.

    A country's entire set nuclear powerplants take less resources than even a single moderately sized wind or solar farm. Resources being the act of gathering materials, building, training people, and continued use over the years.

    It is also one of the safest, when compared with coal, gas, etc.

    In fact the only tricky part is waste disposal, of which is an actual concern. If we raise our nuclear capacity, the waste has a to have a good plan for cleaning/removal. While there has been advances here recently, its the elephant in the room there.

    Phil-I-P [2035498]

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    I know this isn't exactly what you're talking about, but I found it interesting.

    "The amount of radioactive waste produced in the UK is very small compared to all other forms of waste. The total mass of radioactive waste in stock and estimated to be produced over the next 100-year period will be around 5.1 million tonnes. This sounds like a lot, but, for context, the UK currently produces around 5.3 million tonnes of hazardous waste from households and businesses every year.

    When packaged, the total amount of radioactive waste produced in the UK (including waste in stock and estimated to arise over the next 100-plus years) would fill a volume around 4.5 million cubic metres, roughly the size of Wembley stadium."
    - quoted from the above link.

    We've been using nuclear for a while now. There hasn't been a problem, and they are regularly maintained and improved as the technology gets better.

    People forget that Chernobyl was using 70's Soviet technology. It was also human error. I think these days we have a better grasp of health and safety when it comes to nuke stations.

    As far as the waste goes, I know it isn't ideal, but at least it is stored in a purpose built bunker. Where does the waste go from coal stations? Id rather the storage facility than into the sky.
    Exactly. It's a great resource. The radioactive waste is bad, though not nearly as bad as coal\fracking\etc in terms of pollution quality in the air\immediate environment. 

    Also, with spacecraft becoming a real force, I'm guessing someone smart is going to figure out how to recycle the radioactive waste into usable energy\heat\etc items for space technology. It would be a great little recycling ecosystem.
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    tbh you dont need to recycle the raidoactice waste if you can toss it out into space... i mean, space is radioactive... it aint gonna do any more harm up there, space is probably more radioactive than any waste we can create.
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    Hoch [1772040]

    nuclear is green energy?

    ok.

    So you are volunteering Denmark to be the global nuclear waste repository site? Noice.

    RedRocket_Aath [2200354]

    nuclear is green because it gives off that green radioactive glow lol

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    Nuclear is "green" because it is the most efficient power producer to waste operation we have.

    A country's entire set nuclear powerplants take less resources than even a single moderately sized wind or solar farm. Resources being the act of gathering materials, building, training people, and continued use over the years.

    It is also one of the safest, when compared with coal, gas, etc.

    In fact the only tricky part is waste disposal, of which is an actual concern. If we raise our nuclear capacity, the waste has a to have a good plan for cleaning/removal. While there has been advances here recently, its the elephant in the room there.

    Finwe [2610862]

    Yes but in case you haven't noticed nuclear waste gives off serious amounts of radiation and is extremely dangerous especially since it takes hundreds of years to stop giving off radiation. So I would rather have gasoline than nuclear energy until they finally get fusion going
    Yup, that's what I'm talking about. It's the elephant in the room when speaking about nuclear in the long run.

    Though it's not nearly as much as gas\coal pollution waste, and would have to disagree in supporting any coal\gas expansion at all.

    Sustainable fusion is still impossible for the foreseeable future.
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