WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

Lifecheese [2486313]

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages

It definitely does have something to do with wages, though. The more wages go up, the faster people will get replaced by technology. It's basic economics. If the cost of labor becomes close to or higher than the cost of replacing said labor, then the labor gets replaced by technology. Technology that replaces labor almost always starts out prohibitively expensive, gradually getting cheaper over time. Then there is a major, steep decline in the cost of the tech once the cost comes close to the cost of the labor it replaces and the technology starts to be adopted at scale. This cheaper price for the technology can then spread the change in other areas which did not necessarily see a wage increase.

As an example, a wage increase at McDonald's restaurants in California might cause the company to decide to use self-checkout kiosks company-wide in order to be able to employ fewer people each shift. Said technology can have already existed, but only becomes appealing once wages become high enough.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

sorry but you're just wrong.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Just incase you didn't know, Western Europe and America...too completely different places....things that work there will not work here and vise versa... So stop trying to compare yall's way to our way. America is already in the process of automating many jobs, and has automated some jobs already.

fair wage, in my opinion means you get fair pay for the skills you are selling. If you are looking to be a cart pusher, burger flipper, cashier you are not offering any actual skill. So your pay should reflect that. Now say you are a welder, cowboy, doctor etc etc your pay should be dramatically higher.

Now if the min. wage goes up to $20+/H many of the skilled workers will make just as much as the unskilled workers. Because a company is not going to give everybody who was already making $20+/H a raise.

Just so you know, $20/H is damn good money in some states here in America. Living expense changes from state to state. There are many factors I'm assuming you don't know about... Example, here in West Texas i can afford a decent home with some land while still being comfortable, yet if i moved to California with my pay being the same...i could barely survive.


cost of living by states.

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WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the US has more wealth and income on average than Western Europe.

"things that work there will not work here and vise versa"

ok, prove it. prove your claim. you haven't submitted any argument or evidence. opinions arent valid without a solid foundation.

SaintLuke [2220265]

here is a quick link that shows the progress of automation in fast food.

cool huh

as for things that work for yall not working for us...hell you can start with gun laws and continue onto how we drive, measure and healthcare as well... The facts are there, and I could honestly care less about trying to "prove" how things there and here are different and your one size fits all solutions are BS.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Oh cool you play with robots! Don't really care, if you knew anything about business you would know folks are all about profit. Since you have nothing too add here, enjoy bro.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

Castro [2248212]

Everyone should receive a free pony from the government.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the US has more wealth and income on average than Western Europe.

"things that work there will not work here and vise versa"

ok, prove it. prove your claim. you haven't submitted any argument or evidence. opinions arent valid without a solid foundation.

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SaintLuke [2220265]

here is a quick link that shows the progress of automation in fast food.

cool huh

as for things that work for yall not working for us...hell you can start with gun laws and continue onto how we drive, measure and healthcare as well... The facts are there, and I could honestly care less about trying to "prove" how things there and here are different and your one size fits all solutions are BS.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Oh cool you play with robots! Don't really care, if you knew anything about business you would know folks are all about profit. Since you have nothing too add here, enjoy bro.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

Lifecheese [2486313]

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages

It definitely does have something to do with wages, though. The more wages go up, the faster people will get replaced by technology. It's basic economics. If the cost of labor becomes close to or higher than the cost of replacing said labor, then the labor gets replaced by technology. Technology that replaces labor almost always starts out prohibitively expensive, gradually getting cheaper over time. Then there is a major, steep decline in the cost of the tech once the cost comes close to the cost of the labor it replaces and the technology starts to be adopted at scale. This cheaper price for the technology can then spread the change in other areas which did not necessarily see a wage increase.

As an example, a wage increase at McDonald's restaurants in California might cause the company to decide to use self-checkout kiosks company-wide in order to be able to employ fewer people each shift. Said technology can have already existed, but only becomes appealing once wages become high enough.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

sorry but you're just wrong.

ZickyJackz [497258]

A lot of us are being replaced...Robotics are advancing at a crazy rate, and before long, not many people will be needed due to automation.


Which is why a lot of people feel a UBI is needed.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

Lifecheese [2486313]

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages

It definitely does have something to do with wages, though. The more wages go up, the faster people will get replaced by technology. It's basic economics. If the cost of labor becomes close to or higher than the cost of replacing said labor, then the labor gets replaced by technology. Technology that replaces labor almost always starts out prohibitively expensive, gradually getting cheaper over time. Then there is a major, steep decline in the cost of the tech once the cost comes close to the cost of the labor it replaces and the technology starts to be adopted at scale. This cheaper price for the technology can then spread the change in other areas which did not necessarily see a wage increase.

As an example, a wage increase at McDonald's restaurants in California might cause the company to decide to use self-checkout kiosks company-wide in order to be able to employ fewer people each shift. Said technology can have already existed, but only becomes appealing once wages become high enough.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

sorry but you're just wrong.

ZickyJackz [497258]

A lot of us are being replaced...Robotics are advancing at a crazy rate, and before long, not many people will be needed due to automation.


Which is why a lot of people feel a UBI is needed.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

yup and the thing, productivity will increase despite the working population shrinking.

SaintLuke [2220265]

here is a quick link that shows the progress of automation in fast food.

cool huh

as for things that work for yall not working for us...hell you can start with gun laws and continue onto how we drive, measure and healthcare as well... The facts are there, and I could honestly care less about trying to "prove" how things there and here are different and your one size fits all solutions are BS.

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WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Oh cool you play with robots! Don't really care, if you knew anything about business you would know folks are all about profit. Since you have nothing too add here, enjoy bro.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

Uhm, sorry but I kinda knew about fast food robots for a while. I'm a programmer, I study machine learning and AI.

all of us are getting replaced. doesn't have anything to do with wages, if you knew anything about automation you would know that.

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SaintLuke [2220265]

Oh cool you play with robots! Don't really care, if you knew anything about business you would know folks are all about profit. Since you have nothing too add here, enjoy bro.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

SaintLuke [2220265]

Oh cool you play with robots! Don't really care, if you knew anything about business you would know folks are all about profit. Since you have nothing too add here, enjoy bro.

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WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

i mean you literally just said your opinion with zero reason for them

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SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

SaintLuke [2220265]

if you say so, you still offer nothing of substance yourself.

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WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the ability to engage with a hypothetical is an important one

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

I mean the world is round. I don't need to offer an argument for you to disprove your "earth is flat" claim

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SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the ability to engage with a hypothetical is an important one

SaintLuke [2220265]

the ability to make sense is even more important.

SaintLuke [2220265]

rofl, you really are ignorant on this i see...

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Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the ability to engage with a hypothetical is an important one

SaintLuke [2220265]

the ability to make sense is even more important.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

well for people who can engage with a hypothetical, I make sense.

Styledcurve [2493033]

But the earth really is round.....

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SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the ability to engage with a hypothetical is an important one

SaintLuke [2220265]

the ability to make sense is even more important.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

well for people who can engage with a hypothetical, I make sense.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Okay, live in your fantasy land bro. This is going nowhere, you want to believe 2 different countries with completely different laws and situations can use the same exact solution....because you say so without anything to back you up, more power to you.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

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WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

the ability to engage with a hypothetical is an important one

SaintLuke [2220265]

the ability to make sense is even more important.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

well for people who can engage with a hypothetical, I make sense.

SaintLuke [2220265]

Okay, live in your fantasy land bro. This is going nowhere, you want to believe 2 different countries with completely different laws and situations can use the same exact solution....because you say so without anything to back you up, more power to you.

WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

no, that's not at all what I said. and I did back up my claims. you not reading them doesn't mean i didn't present the,

-El- [463504]

The initial post as well as the responses on this thread, are interesting.