Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

He won't win the Oscar he deserves. The critics won't like this movie for what they should. They'll see it as glorifying a villain and trying to sympathise with him and they really won't like it. Plus the Gary Glitter song. How dare they.

Some other touchy feely shit will win that's about whatever is the on trend as being woke. Probably a film about how hard it is to be a transgender person in society.

Personally, I think he is the best Joker to date, including that of Heath Ledger. Dark Knight was great, but I can't wait to see Phoenix in a full on Joker role.

PurpPurp [1990116]

the last 20 mins are great. great optics.

i was shocked to see the alienation, and loneliness. the desperation depicted so honestly by hollywood. specifically for western men. thats definitely why the critics dont like it. it exposes their lies. it makes them uncomfortable. the movie wasn't for them.

and dont bring your girlfriend to see joker. thats pretty cringe bro. go with your kings, your boys. your gf wouldn't get it.

Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

He won't win the Oscar he deserves. The critics won't like this movie for what they should. They'll see it as glorifying a villain and trying to sympathise with him and they really won't like it. Plus the Gary Glitter song. How dare they.

Some other touchy feely shit will win that's about whatever is the on trend as being woke. Probably a film about how hard it is to be a transgender person in society.

Personally, I think he is the best Joker to date, including that of Heath Ledger. Dark Knight was great, but I can't wait to see Phoenix in a full on Joker role.

Indubitably [2117849]

I don't think it's worth comparing the acting of either joker. They both played different takes, so to compare them is impossible. All we know is they both absolutely nailed it.

If I were to have to choose, I'd say Heath Ledger would be an all-around better suited Joker but it's hard to say since each movie had a different idea... so maybe I just prefer Dark Knight over Joker.

PurpPurp [1990116]

the last 20 mins are great. great optics.

i was shocked to see the alienation, and loneliness. the desperation depicted so honestly by hollywood. specifically for western men. thats definitely why the critics dont like it. it exposes their lies. it makes them uncomfortable. the movie wasn't for them.

and dont bring your girlfriend to see joker. thats pretty cringe bro. go with your kings, your boys. your gf wouldn't get it.

Indubitably [2117849]

I'm female and I loved it...

what?

Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

He won't win the Oscar he deserves. The critics won't like this movie for what they should. They'll see it as glorifying a villain and trying to sympathise with him and they really won't like it. Plus the Gary Glitter song. How dare they.

Some other touchy feely shit will win that's about whatever is the on trend as being woke. Probably a film about how hard it is to be a transgender person in society.

Personally, I think he is the best Joker to date, including that of Heath Ledger. Dark Knight was great, but I can't wait to see Phoenix in a full on Joker role.

Indubitably [2117849]

I don't think it's worth comparing the acting of either joker. They both played different takes, so to compare them is impossible. All we know is they both absolutely nailed it.

If I were to have to choose, I'd say Heath Ledger would be an all-around better suited Joker but it's hard to say since each movie had a different idea... so maybe I just prefer Dark Knight over Joker.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

Both played the same character so people will undoubtedly compare the two. Phoenix played more of the comic book villain style joker. A bit campy, maniacal laughter, a twisted enjoyment in what he was doing, etc.

Ledger was more of an action movie bad guy with an agenda. Still psychotic, don't get me wrong. He just didn't seem as twisted as the comic book Joker. I said when I first saw the Dark Knight that he didn't seem like the type of 'super' villain to sexually assault Barbara Gordon just to get under the skin of Commissioner Gordon and to piss off Batman. Phoenix's does.

Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

He won't win the Oscar he deserves. The critics won't like this movie for what they should. They'll see it as glorifying a villain and trying to sympathise with him and they really won't like it. Plus the Gary Glitter song. How dare they.

Some other touchy feely shit will win that's about whatever is the on trend as being woke. Probably a film about how hard it is to be a transgender person in society.

Personally, I think he is the best Joker to date, including that of Heath Ledger. Dark Knight was great, but I can't wait to see Phoenix in a full on Joker role.

Indubitably [2117849]

I don't think it's worth comparing the acting of either joker. They both played different takes, so to compare them is impossible. All we know is they both absolutely nailed it.

If I were to have to choose, I'd say Heath Ledger would be an all-around better suited Joker but it's hard to say since each movie had a different idea... so maybe I just prefer Dark Knight over Joker.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

Both played the same character so people will undoubtedly compare the two. Phoenix played more of the comic book villain style joker. A bit campy, maniacal laughter, a twisted enjoyment in what he was doing, etc.

Ledger was more of an action movie bad guy with an agenda. Still psychotic, don't get me wrong. He just didn't seem as twisted as the comic book Joker. I said when I first saw the Dark Knight that he didn't seem like the type of 'super' villain to sexually assault Barbara Gordon just to get under the skin of Commissioner Gordon and to piss off Batman. Phoenix's does.

Indubitably [2117849]

Neither movie was an accurate portrayal of the comic books. Especially not Joker. He let someone go simply because he "was good to him". That isn't someone who would sexually assault someone to get to someone else. The only person who did an accurate depiction of Joker and stayed true to the character was Jack Nicholson... and honestly, he wasn't a good joker simply because he was just acting like himself. He plays the same role in every movie, and it was no different in Joker.

Just a personal opinion! Some people loved Jack as the joker... i didn't enjoy it that much.

waTer [2251652]

I just hope they won't film sequel just because of such a great commercial success, which may make studios asking for it.

I like it as it is, nothing else needed to that story.

Unless they have really good ideas about where further to go, but to me Arthur's transformation looks almost finished.

Hmm, actually thinking about it I am no longer sure, lol. It might be going further from someone who was revenging only to those whom wronged him, to become someone even darker, full of rage, or someone simply enjoying to punish others with much less criteria.

waTer [2251652]

I just hope they won't film sequel just because of such a great commercial success, which may make studios asking for it.

I like it as it is, nothing else needed to that story.

Unless they have really good ideas about where further to go, but to me Arthur's transformation looks almost finished.

Hmm, actually thinking about it I am no longer sure, lol. It might be going further from someone who was revenging only to those whom wronged him, to become someone even darker, full of rage, or someone simply enjoying to punish others with much less criteria.

waTer [2251652]

I just hope they won't film sequel just because of such a great commercial success, which may make studios asking for it.

I like it as it is, nothing else needed to that story.

Unless they have really good ideas about where further to go, but to me Arthur's transformation looks almost finished.

Hmm, actually thinking about it I am no longer sure, lol. It might be going further from someone who was revenging only to those whom wronged him, to become someone even darker, full of rage, or someone simply enjoying to punish others with much less criteria.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

I'd be up for a sequel if it wasn't a Batman film. Like you say, see the darkness of Joker in Gotham whilst being chased by the GCPD. Maybe introduce Harlene Quinzel and see her transformation. Anything but a superhero film and I'm in.

waTer [2251652]

I just hope they won't film sequel just because of such a great commercial success, which may make studios asking for it.

I like it as it is, nothing else needed to that story.

Unless they have really good ideas about where further to go, but to me Arthur's transformation looks almost finished.

Hmm, actually thinking about it I am no longer sure, lol. It might be going further from someone who was revenging only to those whom wronged him, to become someone even darker, full of rage, or someone simply enjoying to punish others with much less criteria.

Lewyn [2116090]

I will be shocked if he doesn't win an oscar.

Phil-I-P [2035498]

He won't win the Oscar he deserves. The critics won't like this movie for what they should. They'll see it as glorifying a villain and trying to sympathise with him and they really won't like it. Plus the Gary Glitter song. How dare they.

Some other touchy feely shit will win that's about whatever is the on trend as being woke. Probably a film about how hard it is to be a transgender person in society.

Personally, I think he is the best Joker to date, including that of Heath Ledger. Dark Knight was great, but I can't wait to see Phoenix in a full on Joker role.

Indubitably [2117849]

I don't think it's worth comparing the acting of either joker. They both played different takes, so to compare them is impossible. All we know is they both absolutely nailed it.

If I were to have to choose, I'd say Heath Ledger would be an all-around better suited Joker but it's hard to say since each movie had a different idea... so maybe I just prefer Dark Knight over Joker.