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    Posted on 04:24:17 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    Oh and lyanna mormont charged the giant with a battle axe. Giant picks her up. Battle axe is now a knife. Dont think about that though cause it looked cool and thats all that matters in this episode right?

     

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    Posted on 05:06:23 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    Indubitably [2117849]

    I love this show, and taking the show for what it is, leaving all book plots aside this episode still fell so flat for me. The reason game of thrones is good is because very early on it established and then abided by, a very consistent rule set. Actions have consequence. No one is coming to save you. Let’s look at a parallel between season one and season eight.

    Season one, Ned Stark. Stabbed in the leg, limps and walks with a cane for the remainder of his life. He is then betrayed, surrounded by his enemies and executed. As show watchers and book readers we waited for someone to save him. He has to survive, he is the hero, the good man, the main character. We were taught then that that doesn’t matter. You die if you are surrounded by your enemies. Your injuries last. Dues ex machina does not exist.

    Season eight, Jon Snow. Falls hundreds of feet out of the sky on a (dead? dying? injured?) dragon. Pops onto his feet unscathed. The night king raises the dead around him. These enemies were established in earlier seasons as absolutely terrifying. A single wight almost kills him and Jeor Mormont, and Jon almost loses the use of his hand to kill it. He is now surrounded by possibly thousands of them. Yet he lives.

    Not only does he live. He runs through the entire army of undead without a hiccup, and then faces down an undead dragon alone. Let’s give him a pass?

    Dany has a literal flying fire breathing dragon. Then Dany is surrounded only to be saved by Jorah f**king Mormont. Wasn’t he just trapped fighting for his life in winterfell? I mean does an army of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of wights mean nothing? He just ran through miles of undead to be at the exact place at the exact time to save Dany? I could go beat by beat through the main characters and every single one of them should have died several times tonight. I’m not saying I want them all to die or that they should have story wise, but don’t put them in that position if you aren’t willing to follow through with it.

    Come on. Game of thrones is supposed to have consequences for your actions. Gandalf does the appear in the east on the third day. You can’t establish rules that you abide by for seven seasons to say f**k it and throw it all out the window without it ruining it all. This episode had amazing visuals. Amazing music. An amazing set. Yet the storytelling was just awful.

    The show has become the antithesis of itself. Everything that made the in show universe logical, captivating and exhilarating are gone.
    It has become the storybook it tried so hard to subvert.

    Bhappychap [2270497]

    >Jon Snow. Falls hundreds of feet out of the sky on a (dead? dying? injured?) dragon. Pops onto his feet unscathed.  
      
    He is on a dragon, and rides the dragon down. He doesn't fall and land directly on the ground.  
      
    >He is now surrounded by possibly thousands of them. Yet he lives.

    Crazy what years of knowledge, different weapons, and an entirely different situation can do. You are comparing an apple to an orange, and complaining it isn't a banana...  
      
    >He runs through the entire army of undead without a hiccup, and then faces down an undead dragon alone. Let’s give him a pass?
      
    You mean that was being raised? When the dragon queen saves him? Or when he enters the castle and runs around hiding behind walls? In the scene with the dragon, that was his life. He thought he was going to die fighting the dragon. 
      
    >Then Dany is surrounded only to be saved by Jorah f**king Mormont. Wasn’t he just trapped fighting for his life in winterfell?  
      
    Yea, she went out and saved Jon. Yes, and they were on the otherside of the eternal flames in the trench. Right outside the walls, where mormont had been fighting the entire time.  
      

    >I mean does an army of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of wights mean nothing? He just ran through miles of undead to be at the exact place at the exact time to save Dany?
      
    Sounds like you're more of a fan-boy in disagreement. This is called "story-writing".   
      
    >I could go beat by beat through the main characters and every single one of them should have died several times tonight. I’m not saying I want them all to die or that they should have story wise, but don’t put them in that position if you aren’t willing to follow through with it.
      
    Are you in disagreement with how they kept some heroes around for some of the final three episodes? I believe this episode did a good job of harnessing those anxious moments. Several got very close.  
       
    >The reason game of thrones is good is because very early on it established and then abided by, a very consistent rule set. Actions have consequence. No one is coming to save you. Let’s look at a parallel between season one and season eight
      
    So a good show never evolves for you? You just want more of the same right to the end? It sounds like you wanted a story where the viewer plugs in, and then plugs out without any lesson/moral/peak ending, etc.   
      
    >then arya killing the night king, 8 seasons summed up with arya leaping from where? a tree? off the shoulder of a white walker? they heavily foreshadowed it prior it to it happening, but how does it make sense?  
      
    Uh. This breaks your suspension in belief? the highly trained silent killer, doing a silent kill? Have you not seen the other impossible things Arya has done?   
      
    She ran through the library, and through some of the tunnels to go through the secret door (seen in season 2 i believe). The young boys had used it. That's where Clegane had saved her. And it's all kind of poetic. Killing the night king with the knife Bran gave her, after getting the prophecy from the Fire priestess. and Clegane's friend with 9 lives pulling a Hodor, to Theon sacrificing himself, the final action that separates the nightking from the rest of the crew.  
      

    I think some of your confusion might be in the setup of the castle. They vastly increased it's size, and so some of the war setup looked small in some scenes, and large in others. Gave a weird sense of timings. For example Clegane goes to save Arya, but only gets to her after a lengthy Hide and seek in the library? Weird. 
     
    We all knew this last season was going to be rushed in places.   
     
    I disagree with you that this story needs to go down the same path as the beginning. I believe the beginning was set as so to show the start of all of the events taking place. at this point in time in the episodes, we are seeing some hope. Some main characters survived, the night walkers are seemingly dead, and the 3 eyed-raven still lives. They still have an entire other mountain to climb facing Cersei, Losing other main fighters and characters would mean even barer-bones of episodes for the last three. 
     
    This allows them to continue with fearful "we can lose anyone anytime", and still provide a good story for the last 3 episodes, even if they are rushed in areas of the storytelling. 
     
    It just sounds like you are upset with the episode/this season because its not being told the way you expected. It might better for you to wait for the book to see how the storyteller wants it told.     
      

      

      



      

      
    I have never read so many reaches in my life.

    Just say it for what it is... plot armor, not story-telling. There was no "evolving" - it's devolving. People love to give excuses for bad storytelling and it reminds me why Hollywood puts out so many shit movies.

    If you want to suspend your belief to the point Jon can run into a dragon's stomach and proceed to f**k it with his dick until it dies that's up to you. Some of us want to use our brains and be entertained.
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    Posted on 05:15:20 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    -Jay- [2234445]

    If we are going to look at this from a realistic point of view you can literally find plot amour in any TV or movie you want.
    Not really... TV shows like The Wire, and The Sopranos...  Movies like Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Goodfellas, LoTR series, City of God, Silence of the Lambs...

    The list can go on, all were masterfully written and didn't have some of the stupidity GoT has. Giving excuses for bad storytelling only breeds more of it. Just be honest with yourself for once. You don't CARE that it's a bad plot or the story is shit. You just want to be entertained. You want to see the good guys win, and the bad guys lose. This season is catered towards that. It's Avengers in TV form, and that's what the masses love.
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    Posted on 05:25:41 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    Also, the boar from season 1 that killed robert baratheon has more main character kills than the night king did. Allow that to sink in for a moment.

     

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    Posted on 05:32:40 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    -Jay- [2234445]

    If we are going to look at this from a realistic point of view you can literally find plot amour in any TV or movie you want.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    Not really... TV shows like The Wire, and The Sopranos... Movies like Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Goodfellas, LoTR series, City of God, Silence of the Lambs...

    The list can go on, all were masterfully written and didn't have some of the stupidity GoT has. Giving excuses for bad storytelling only breeds more of it. Just be honest with yourself for once. You don't CARE that it's a bad plot or the story is shit. You just want to be entertained. You want to see the good guys win, and the bad guys lose. This season is catered towards that. It's Avengers in TV form, and that's what the masses love.
    The wire is my 2nd fav show definitely, *****s in the amour (probably because grew up in an area similar) , I also like the godfather ( it also has *****s). I thought city of God was average, never seen any of the lord of the rings. Nothing is perfect and everything is opinion based. Simply because you think something is great doesnt mean the next person does.
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    Posted on 07:07:11 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.
    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.
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    Posted on 07:08:39 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.
    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

     

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    Posted on 07:18:53 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.
    Zauzam is a troll, don't bother replying to him.

    Game of Thrones being used as the title served as a purpose not the means to the end. The show is now completely writing itself with no help from the writer of the actual book. It's fan faction at this point.

    When the show was using source material the "throne" was secondary to the Night King.

    Also, "Game of Thrones" simply sounds better... doesn't mean anything, tbh.
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    Posted on 07:20:59 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    Zauzam is a troll, don't bother replying to him.

    Game of Thrones being used as the title served as a purpose not the means to the end. The show is now completely writing itself with no help from the writer of the actual book. It's fan faction at this point.

    When the show was using source material the "throne" was secondary to the Night King.

    Also, "Game of Thrones" simply sounds better... doesn't mean anything, tbh.
    Trolling is not a synonym for pretending to be retarded. Calling him a troll is giving him way to much credit.

    And yea i understand why they called game of thrones instead of a song of ice and fire. Just makes for a way better tv title. Was a good move to do so.
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    Posted on 07:23:08 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    I want to see danny defeat cersei by strapping all the characters with plot armor to her dragons to make invincible dragons. It will make more sense than episode 3 and will logically fit within the show at this point.

     

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    Posted on 07:25:45 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.
    It stopped following the books a long ago buddy, this isn't the books. As far as I know the night king in the show doesn't even exist in the books.
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    Posted on 07:26:33 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It stopped following the books a long ago buddy, this isn't the books. As far as I know the night king in the show doesn't even exist in the books.
    Just because you run out of source material does not mean you also have to run out of all logic and common sense.

     

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    Posted on 07:50:32 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It stopped following the books a long ago buddy, this isn't the books. As far as I know the night king in the show doesn't even exist in the books.

    Ecks [335191]

    Just because you run out of source material does not mean you also have to run out of all logic and common sense.
    Just because you didn't get what you want to happen doesn't mean it's bad for other people too. No matter what path they went with some will complain and some won't can't please everyone.
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    Posted on 08:10:00 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It stopped following the books a long ago buddy, this isn't the books. As far as I know the night king in the show doesn't even exist in the books.

    Ecks [335191]

    Just because you run out of source material does not mean you also have to run out of all logic and common sense.

    2049144 [2049144]

    Just because you didn't get what you want to happen doesn't mean it's bad for other people too. No matter what path they went with some will complain and some won't can't please everyone.
    I dont give a shit about it doing "what i want". If i can predict everything in a story i consider it a shit story. All i want is for the show to actually make sense again. For it to follow its own internal logic and rules that it built though the first several seasons. With each passing season the show makes less and less sense. 

    Why did bran need to go on a 7 season long journey to acquire magical powers just so he could warg into some birds to get a good view of the epic showdown that was built up for 7 season? I dont give a f**k what he does but do something that makes sense at least.

    Why was there entire plan to use bran as bait but place him somewhere where the enemy needs to slaughter everyone to get to him? What kind of trap is that? 

    Why is the artillery in front of the army? 

    Before melisandra arrived the plan for the dothraki was to literally have them charge off into the night against an enemy they cannot see using weapons that people on the war council like jon snow already know wont kill wights? 

    Why does nothing make sense? Im all for being surprised but not when it comes at the price of all logic and internal consistency. 

    Why did arya have a trampoline installed at the botton of that plot hole in godswood? 

    The only thing good about this episode were the special effects. Apparently that is all idiots like you care about. 

     

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    Posted on 08:28:36 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    While I expected maybe a more important character or 2 to die....I was incredibly impressed with the episode.


    My only complaint was the dark 'flying through the blizzard, which dragon was that, who is that' sort of parts. 

    Outside of that, the range of emotions my wife and I felt watching it were incredible. 

    Addressing the sudden death of the NK...I am not sure what else there could have been done. He is an undead King with no feelings. He wouldn't have had some long dramatic "say your last words" type of death. I told people going into this episode if Arya dies, I will be pissed. We spent season after season seeing her do almost nothing. I'm happy we got to see her ninja-like moves AND we got to see her scared and human also. 

    I see a lot of Reddit posts about "we never knew the NK motivation". Bran said it last episode, he wants everything to die. That is it. The red witch, Bran, the Faceless guy...all parts of the story leading Arya to that exact place at that exact time. Lord of the Light willed Beric to get Arya to safety. Red witch knew she needed to speak with Arya. All the rabbit chases from seasons past finally come to a close. 

    It took us almost 2 hours to calm down from that episode. Even though this threat is over, now we have to worry about Cersei, who didnt just lose 85% of her army. 
    Absolutely, well said, this whole episode was a wrap up for Arya......and again, next battle coming up with Cersi.  Great episode.
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    Posted on 20:45:38 - 01/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    Zauzam is a troll, don't bother replying to him.

    Game of Thrones being used as the title served as a purpose not the means to the end. The show is now completely writing itself with no help from the writer of the actual book. It's fan faction at this point.

    When the show was using source material the "throne" was secondary to the Night King.

    Also, "Game of Thrones" simply sounds better... doesn't mean anything, tbh.
    "my opinion is right everyone else I wrong!! If you liked the episode you're an idiot and you have to agree with us!" 

    f**k off. Entitled people like you who demand things are the reason the world is a shitty place, don't get what you want moan like a baby. Too bad you have to deal with it bitch. 
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    Posted on 03:51:26 - 02/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    2049144 [2049144]

    The episode was fine, nowadays it's just fun to moan and bitch about everything. It's annoying.

    Cersei was always going to be the main villain and when the show ends they will be making another show about the white walkers and the night King, I believe its a prequel.

    Ecks [335191]

    If you think cersei being the main villain makes sense then you never understood game of thrones to begin with.

    2049144 [2049144]

    It's called game of thrones, not game of the night king. Dummy. There is still 3 episodes left.

    Ecks [335191]

    The series is called a song of ice and fire. The title of the first book is a game of thrones. It is not my fault the show runners named it incorrectly.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    Zauzam is a troll, don't bother replying to him.

    Game of Thrones being used as the title served as a purpose not the means to the end. The show is now completely writing itself with no help from the writer of the actual book. It's fan faction at this point.

    When the show was using source material the "throne" was secondary to the Night King.

    Also, "Game of Thrones" simply sounds better... doesn't mean anything, tbh.

    2049144 [2049144]

    "my opinion is right everyone else I wrong!! If you liked the episode you're an idiot and you have to agree with us!"

    f**k off. Entitled people like you who demand things are the reason the world is a shitty place, don't get what you want moan like a baby. Too bad you have to deal with it bitch. 
    Giving fair criticisms of the show I've watched for 8 years = you're a big bitch

    sorry, sounds like you.

    last reply you'll ever get from me, loser. ignored.
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    Posted on 08:27:16 - 06/05/19 (2 years ago)
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    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    ghost isnt CGI. its a real dog. just smaller than its made to look.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    The only time Ghost wasn't CGI was in Season 1. Everything past that and CGI was used(they still used a wolf). You need post-production editing, and then a LOT of CGI. To put him in the crypt where he should have been would have cost a lot of money.

    Ghost has actually been cut from the script for the past few seasons because of how much money it costs. An article if you're interested:

    https://www.elle.com.au/culture/why-game-of-thrones-keeps-cutting-out-direwolf-scenes-13902


    Here's some pictures if you're interested.



    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    nah theres several shots where they only made some color correction and used different camera angles for the wolves.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    I guess the producers of Game of Thrones don't know as much as you.

    I think you might have done a better job than they did this episode anyway.

    WiseTheRumGone [2078276]

    im sorry but its not really a secret that most of the shots featuring the wolves are just camera tricks. the directors know what you are doing. you dont.

    Indubitably [2117849]

    I linked you an article that stated it cost too much money to include ghost and you're still this clueless. This is backed up by how ghost isn't included in many scenes and wasn't in like 4+ seasons because it COST. TOO. MUCH. MONEY. If it was just "camera tricks" - he'd be there..
    How much money that dog demand for one episode? :)
    I mean HBO have enough money to pay millions of $ to main actors like Dinklage etc, but they do not have enough cash for a few scenes with a dog?
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    Ish_Joker [2074333]

    I don't know who was the one giving the commands during the battle, but I'm pretty sure the person didn't have any fighting experience. That was the worst possible defense of a castle ever.

    "There's a huge amount of undead over there in the dark where we can't see them. Let's send the cavalry to attack them head on and see what happens."

    "Let's put the catapults in the front rank so they can shoot once during the whole battle."

    "Let's look at all those undead standing still in front of a trench on fire, but don't shoot a flaming arrow, they might get hurt."

    "The undead are climbing the walls! Let's just put one line of defenders on the walls to defend it. We only have a 10k army, so why would we put more than a dozen on the wall?"

    Episode was very well made. Too bad it killed 7 seasons of great storyline.
    Thats what i was thinking, why they have wasted time with building catapults when they have used them just once. They should have made more firetrenches instead of it.
    Undead are waiting in front of the fire trench, no one bother to get on the wall to shoot on them or just be there to defend. They were running there just when they realise they have break through the fire trench.
    They know they are vulnerable to fire why they did not prepare some oil on the wall and burn the first wave who get through the fire trench.

    And why did they think the crypt full of dead Starks will be the safest place to hide kids and women :)
    They have deserved to lose for all these errors :)
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