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    Posted on 15:39:09 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    That doesn’t seem like a very good deal, tbh. I’ve done around 40 happy jumps and only ODed on ecstasy once. If I’d paid for insurance for all of them, I’d have lost ~25m or so in total, even with the “happy jump pack”.


    Edit: Apparently the ecstasy OD rate is ~5%. Then the cost vs payback would be roughly equal, though still a loss for anyone who does happy jumps with more than 5 edvds.
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    Posted on 15:43:15 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Halyang007 [1867864]

    I opt out. Need to know OD rate of Ecstacy to make a logical decision.
    As far as I know, the OD rate of Ecstacy is higher than Xan (let's say Xan's ratio is 2.5%) so I think 5% is a safe number to calculate.
    Last edited by Gat on 16:10:08 - 12/09/21

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 15:52:41 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    A very intrepid business idea little sir!

    Sadly it is probably doomed to failure unless you keep it to people you know.

    The scammers and multis will be all over this.

    They will 'overdose' and want you to send them their stuff and of course people will be wary of sending you a xanax because they will be scared you will scam them ..

    Doomed before it even gets off the ground.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that
    Would you be so kind explain the detail? I need to confirm the OD ecstacy during Happy Jump has already happened. The personal graphs don't show this, you can only tell if they have OD or not.

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 16:09:15 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Duntat [2649172]

    That doesn’t seem like a very good deal, tbh. I’ve done around 40 happy jumps and only ODed on ecstasy once. If I’d paid for insurance for all of them, I’d have lost ~25m or so in total, even with the “happy jump pack”.


    Edit: Apparently the ecstasy OD rate is ~5%. Then the cost vs payback would be roughly equal, though still a loss for anyone who does happy jumps with more than 5 edvds.
    Choose to cover all 40 HJ times or only partially, it's up to you to decide. I do not force you to buy all 40 times.

    You are right, with the rate of 5%, the revenue will be close to the compensation cost. On average, I only make a profit of $40,000 once. However, this is the beginning and I want to have good prices to attract people and create credibility for people to believe.

    Those with HJ plan of more than 5 edvds need to pay more to get enough compensation. For example if you plan to use 9 edvds then you need to submit 2 Xans.
    Last edited by Gat on 16:16:45 - 12/09/21

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    Posted on 16:20:59 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    A very intrepid business idea little sir!

    Sadly it is probably doomed to failure unless you keep it to people you know.

    The scammers and multis will be all over this.

    They will 'overdose' and want you to send them their stuff and of course people will be wary of sending you a xanax because they will be scared you will scam them ..

    Doomed before it even gets off the ground.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that

    Gat [2600663]

    Would you be so kind explain the detail? I need to confirm the OD ecstacy during Happy Jump has already happened. The personal graphs don't show this, you can only tell if they have OD or not.
    When you go to your events, you have the option to send an event to a person. You can send, save, delete and mark. 
    I'll send you one

    Hey,

     Name,

    take a look here!

    I've got something for you....For the right price ;)

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    Posted on 16:24:16 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    MATE.  MATE.  This is an amazing business idea.  But, no matter how legitimate you are, if you're holding other people's money you will be labeled a scammer and you will get shit on.  I know from experience.  If you really wish to pursue this idea, prepare yourself for a very rough road.  Good luck!  Also if you do actually start this business I wouldn't mind buying insurance. ODs suck 
    Last edited by Meisme123 on 16:28:45 - 12/09/21
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    Posted on 16:29:28 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    A very intrepid business idea little sir!

    Sadly it is probably doomed to failure unless you keep it to people you know.

    The scammers and multis will be all over this.

    They will 'overdose' and want you to send them their stuff and of course people will be wary of sending you a xanax because they will be scared you will scam them ..

    Doomed before it even gets off the ground.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that
    Of course. But the multis and the chancers and scammers will be all over this if he goes live with it.

    Forum signatures make my eyes hurt so i have turned them off.

    My tornography

    https://www.torn.com/newspaper.php#!/articles/285 

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    Posted on 16:29:41 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    A very intrepid business idea little sir!

    Sadly it is probably doomed to failure unless you keep it to people you know.

    The scammers and multis will be all over this.

    They will 'overdose' and want you to send them their stuff and of course people will be wary of sending you a xanax because they will be scared you will scam them ..

    Doomed before it even gets off the ground.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that

    Gat [2600663]

    Would you be so kind explain the detail? I need to confirm the OD ecstacy during Happy Jump has already happened. The personal graphs don't show this, you can only tell if they have OD or not.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    When you go to your events, you have the option to send an event to a person. You can send, save, delete and mark.
    I'll send you one
    You helped me solve the problem, thank you very much!!

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 16:36:49 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Meisme123 [2577822]

    MATE. MATE. This is an amazing business idea. But, no matter how legitimate you are, if you're holding other people's money you will be labeled a scammer and you will get shit on. I know from experience. If you really wish to pursue this idea, prepare yourself for a very rough road. Good luck! Also if you do actually start this business I wouldn't mind buying insurance. ODs suck
    He wouldn't be holding anybody money, he would take xanax as a flat payment and if your happy jump failed on the ecstacy you would be eligible for the insurance payment. I actually think its a really good idea and commend him for trying to start a legitimate business.

    Please send me Elephant statues i am collecting them!

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    Posted on 16:37:55 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    dunmugmeh [538353]

    A very intrepid business idea little sir!

    Sadly it is probably doomed to failure unless you keep it to people you know.

    The scammers and multis will be all over this.

    They will 'overdose' and want you to send them their stuff and of course people will be wary of sending you a xanax because they will be scared you will scam them ..

    Doomed before it even gets off the ground.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that

    Gat [2600663]

    Would you be so kind explain the detail? I need to confirm the OD ecstacy during Happy Jump has already happened. The personal graphs don't show this, you can only tell if they have OD or not.

    Matzkops [2566807]

    When you go to your events, you have the option to send an event to a person. You can send, save, delete and mark.
    I'll send you one

    Gat [2600663]

    You helped me solve the problem, thank you very much!!
    You will however need a sizable starting networth on the off chance you are unlucky and have to make several payments early on.

    Please send me Elephant statues i am collecting them!

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    Posted on 16:43:35 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Aqua you are right, I need to prepare a capital to spare in case of bad luck. Thank you so much for supporting me.

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 16:51:00 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    I hope this goes well for you.

    Really nice and refreshing to see a young player thinking of a way to make money legitimately almost outside of the game's mechanics.

    bilei

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    Posted on 16:52:34 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    You would go broke with this scheme, this insurance package is underpriced.

    It would work if eDVDs were even cheaper.
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    Posted on 17:32:36 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Good idea, especially with the Send Event mechanic to scam-proof the concept. Later on you can consider the following scenario:
    - what type of happy jump is it (normal 5 e-DVD, 99k 9-dvd, 99k with no booster cd), would you offer better payout in those cases since the cost is different?
    - are they in a faction with max tolerance (-50% drug cd), same as above since the chance for OD will be lower -> lower buy-in fee?

    Reputation could be a concern but people who are worried about reputation have long surpassed the happy jump threshold. Usually newbie rarely pay attention to reputation, that's how most veteran Torn scammers are still alive and well. Your main concern should be spending time advertising your service and being careful not to be scammed by newbie-in-disguise.
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    Posted on 17:34:45 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Bravotitan [2423520]

    This could be a good idea but you got too many odds playing against you

    1. Your age
    2. little/no karma, few friends
    3. Reputation: no one knows who you are and seeing as this is torn, people wont just give money to a stranger,
    4. Payout: Way to easy for you to either ignore people trying to get the insurance or just refuse paying out, youre offering insurance, but with no assurance

    Dlajdhri [2062002]

    But if for example a well known player offered this service what would you think of the service specifically? i agree with you, HE is the issue that lets it down but for an idea i actually thinks its pretty good!

    Bravotitan [2423520]

    Idea great

    Person, not so great.

    I wouldnt use this kind of service myself ever unless it was someone like oran or andyman that ran it as they got some reputation to take care of.
    oh yeah i actually run this, more details here https://oran.pw/1/happy-jump-insurance 

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    Posted on 17:47:15 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Costs to think about:

    The pills alone
    The OD placement (1st, 2nd, 3rd stack or ecstasy failure)
    Rehab fees
    Travel expenses (if any, can be negligible)
    Just some thoughts when pricing for your business :)
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    Posted on 21:38:48 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Matzkops [2566807]

    you can send events, you can't fake that
    Since you told me how to send the event, I think players just need to join before using Ecstacy (in the past I required them to join before the HJ process so I could control). Players are free to stack Energy and then just send 1 Xans to announce their participation and then immediately use Ecstacy to know the results. Fast and efficient, right?

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 21:40:35 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    No, would rather go to the casino
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    Posted on 21:48:21 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    Diplomacy [2299387]

    Costs to think about:

    The pills alone
    The OD placement (1st, 2nd, 3rd stack or ecstasy failure)
    Rehab fees
    Travel expenses (if any, can be negligible)
    Just some thoughts when pricing for your business :)
    Thank you for your opinion. 

    Compensation is not including rehab costs and travel expenses. Those two costs are not fixed but depend on the player (addicted players will spend more money to rehab, players with PI with airstrip will not spend money traveling..)

    With the price of 1 Xans, compensation for 1 HJ pack is enough to balance out most of the profit.

    Happy Jump safely here

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    Posted on 21:53:07 - 12/09/21 (1 month ago)
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    I wouldn’t. Self insuring is always cheaper in the long run for things you can afford to self insure for, since insurance companies by definition have to make a profit.
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