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    Posted on 21:42:20 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    finally [2060206]



    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?
    There are many reasons to donate. Some donate for tax purposes, some donate to help others, and some donate so that they get that "good feeling". 

    It doesn't have to be a business reason. It can be. Doesn't have to be.

    At the end of the day, does the reason matter if it's win/win? A good cause is a good cause. The only time something like this is negative is if the charity turns out to be a scam or something, something that is unlikely. Also, as the suggestion said, there would be a few charities to choose from. Not likely ALL OF THE LISTED CHARITIES would be a scam.

    I mentioned earlier that I donate clothes. I do this because I legitimately want to see less fortunate families have good clothes for themselves and their kids. Not because I'm itemizing my taxes (I don't got time for that shit).
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    Posted on 21:45:53 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    First off, players being genuinely curious is being met with a large amount of hostility. If this does get released, you're going to need quite a big bullet proof Q&A page. We have questions, did you expect a mass amount of people to just blindly act like sheep?

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    Honestly, just let people donate directly to charity. Maybe a page with links out directly to their websites. You could list the countries where people get personal tax incentives (among other things), and your push could actually make people donate to causes, if that's all you want.


    If this is added to Torn, I'm going to feel like I'll have to drop $x amount of cash to "get a missed book", which already pisses me off because of the way the book chance is generated to an infinite loop of subscriber status. Not sure what I'm talking about?? clicky

    You're like Apple "fixing" problems they create.

    What if I don't want to donate to charity?
    The moment you say "well don't" ...

    ...


    ...

    You're offering services that you can't get anywhere else in the game. If I want to keep up, I'll have to. You listed way more than cosmetics in the rewards. I find some of those listed things OP.
    Stick to the colours and cosmetics.
    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.

    The gains you'd get from this are in no way going to be needed "to keep up", unless you're maybe entering fashion contests on the regular.

    You'd also have the option to donate directly, by seeing the actual charities on the charity page itself, by all means feel free to donate to them. This isn't a zero sum game... You can literally do that.

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    Posted on 21:46:01 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    I have to say i do not like the idea of this life time subscriber status for donations, just my 2 cents as this is not really cosmetic imo, i cant imagine how much someone would have to donate to get this reward.

     

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    Posted on 21:51:50 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    First off, players being genuinely curious is being met with a large amount of hostility. If this does get released, you're going to need quite a big bullet proof Q&A page. We have questions, did you expect a mass amount of people to just blindly act like sheep?

    -

    Honestly, just let people donate directly to charity. Maybe a page with links out directly to their websites. You could list the countries where people get personal tax incentives (among other things), and your push could actually make people donate to causes, if that's all you want.


    If this is added to Torn, I'm going to feel like I'll have to drop $x amount of cash to "get a missed book", which already pisses me off because of the way the book chance is generated to an infinite loop of subscriber status. Not sure what I'm talking about?? clicky

    You're like Apple "fixing" problems they create.

    What if I don't want to donate to charity?
    The moment you say "well don't" ...

    ...


    ...

    You're offering services that you can't get anywhere else in the game. If I want to keep up, I'll have to. You listed way more than cosmetics in the rewards. I find some of those listed things OP.
    Stick to the colours and cosmetics.

    bogie [148747]

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.

    The gains you'd get from this are in no way going to be needed "to keep up", unless you're maybe entering fashion contests on the regular.

    You'd also have the option to donate directly, by seeing the actual charities on the charity page itself, by all means feel free to donate to them. This isn't a zero sum game... You can literally do that.
    Keep it to true cosmetics, you won't hear a peep out of me or many others.

    If you start selling game enhancing quirks (no matter how small or minor), you will have a section of your player base that will want the product of the transaction, not the charity donation.

    LT just published the economic report, show how truly engaged with this game people are. There's a large portion of people who see selecting a book, or doing other things very advantageous.

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    Posted on 21:51:54 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Only brave in the forums...
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    Posted on 21:52:51 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    it really is striking in society that some people not only wish to assume the worst of someones motives and intents behind it but also when given actual evidence regarding why, they'll brush it off as fake. 

    unless its sym tanking for the past year, ched definitely manipulated that shit.

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    Posted on 21:53:06 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    First off, players being genuinely curious is being met with a large amount of hostility. If this does get released, you're going to need quite a big bullet proof Q&A page. We have questions, did you expect a mass amount of people to just blindly act like sheep?

    -

    Honestly, just let people donate directly to charity. Maybe a page with links out directly to their websites. You could list the countries where people get personal tax incentives (among other things), and your push could actually make people donate to causes, if that's all you want.


    If this is added to Torn, I'm going to feel like I'll have to drop $x amount of cash to "get a missed book", which already pisses me off because of the way the book chance is generated to an infinite loop of subscriber status. Not sure what I'm talking about?? clicky

    You're like Apple "fixing" problems they create.

    What if I don't want to donate to charity?
    The moment you say "well don't" ...

    ...


    ...

    You're offering services that you can't get anywhere else in the game. If I want to keep up, I'll have to. You listed way more than cosmetics in the rewards. I find some of those listed things OP.
    Stick to the colours and cosmetics.

    bogie [148747]

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.

    The gains you'd get from this are in no way going to be needed "to keep up", unless you're maybe entering fashion contests on the regular.

    You'd also have the option to donate directly, by seeing the actual charities on the charity page itself, by all means feel free to donate to them. This isn't a zero sum game... You can literally do that.
    Well, you edited your previous post, with a reference to ched from 6 years ago. Sure 6 years ago shit was different, but nowadays I doubt you cant get it working with some charity and/or third-party, but of course you guys try ;)

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.
    Bogie says I am an asshole. TORN staff is something different. Love it.

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:54:43 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Well, you edited your previous post, with a reference to ched from 6 years ago. Sure 6 years ago shit was different, but nowadays I doubt you cant get it working with some charity and/or third-party, but of course you guys try ;)

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.
    Bogie says I am an asshole. TORN staff is something different. Love it.
    With a victim complex this big I'm surprised I'm not seeing TV adverts to request donations for it's support.

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    Posted on 21:55:25 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Well, you edited your previous post, with a reference to ched from 6 years ago. Sure 6 years ago shit was different, but nowadays I doubt you cant get it working with some charity and/or third-party, but of course you guys try ;)

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.
    Bogie says I am an asshole. TORN staff is something different. Love it.

    bogie [148747]

    With a victim complex this big I'm surprised I'm not seeing TV adverts to request donations for it's support.
    You are just being a bitch at this point, but we're used to it :)

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:56:54 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Well, you edited your previous post, with a reference to ched from 6 years ago. Sure 6 years ago shit was different, but nowadays I doubt you cant get it working with some charity and/or third-party, but of course you guys try ;)

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.
    Bogie says I am an asshole. TORN staff is something different. Love it.

    bogie [148747]

    With a victim complex this big I'm surprised I'm not seeing TV adverts to request donations for it's support.
    sheesh you getting old, nobody does TV adverts now.... gofundme, then twitter, fudbook, tik-tok & instagram :D
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    Posted on 21:57:01 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)

    Tarelli [1060371]

    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.

    finally [2060206]

    Sounds like the norm torn player, not giving a damn about their taxes, so cant blame you there! You do you!
    My wife is a accountant, why would I care about my taxes???

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    Posted on 21:57:55 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)

    Tarelli [1060371]

    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.

    finally [2060206]

    Sounds like the norm torn player, not giving a damn about their taxes, so cant blame you there! You do you!

    Tarelli [1060371]

    My wife is a accountant, why would I care about my taxes???
    Clearly your wife is a shit accountant, sorry to tell you.

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:58:14 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    MightyGoober [812478]

    Keep it to true cosmetics, you won't hear a peep out of me or many others.

    If you start selling game enhancing quirks (no matter how small or minor), you will have a section of your player base that will want the product of the transaction, not the charity donation.

    LT just published the economic report, show how truly engaged with this game people are. There's a large portion of people who see selecting a book, or doing other things very advantageous.
    Even if people are just doing it for the incentives, or if Torn is doing it for business purposes, it doesn’t really matter. The end result is that money is going to charity. So everyone should be happy here, right?

    Player - gets cosmetic/minor benefit
    Torn - Community goodwill or tax reasons (which aren’t even real)
    Charity - receives donation

    I’m confused about what the downsides are here, as long as the “rewards” stay within reason
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    Posted on 21:58:27 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    finally [2060206]

    Well, you edited your previous post, with a reference to ched from 6 years ago. Sure 6 years ago shit was different, but nowadays I doubt you cant get it working with some charity and/or third-party, but of course you guys try ;)

    There's "being genuinely curious" and "just being an asshole". That much is obvious from the "sure bud" when provided with actual sources from the owner himself.
    Bogie says I am an asshole. TORN staff is something different. Love it.

    bogie [148747]

    With a victim complex this big I'm surprised I'm not seeing TV adverts to request donations for it's support.

    finally [2060206]

    You are just being a bitch at this point, but we're used to it :)
    using the term bitch is overly sexist when you direct it at a male, as an enby you should be able to understand such things -R
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    Posted on 21:59:23 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    My only concern with something like a gold banner:

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    Posted on 22:00:12 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)

    Tarelli [1060371]

    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.

    finally [2060206]

    Sounds like the norm torn player, not giving a damn about their taxes, so cant blame you there! You do you!

    Tarelli [1060371]

    My wife is a accountant, why would I care about my taxes???
    finally doesn't know a damn thing about taxes. They just act like they do because it's a bigger word than they're used to gargling out.
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    Posted on 22:01:20 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)

    Tarelli [1060371]

    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.

    finally [2060206]

    Sounds like the norm torn player, not giving a damn about their taxes, so cant blame you there! You do you!

    Tarelli [1060371]

    My wife is a accountant, why would I care about my taxes???

    FilthyCasual [2527073]

    finally doesn't know a damn thing about taxes. They just act like they do because it's a bigger word than they're used to gargling out.
    Never said I do know shit about taxes, read the "I'm not a tax consultant" mate.

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 22:01:28 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    MightyGoober [812478]

    Keep it to true cosmetics, you won't hear a peep out of me or many others.

    If you start selling game enhancing quirks (no matter how small or minor), you will have a section of your player base that will want the product of the transaction, not the charity donation.

    LT just published the economic report, show how truly engaged with this game people are. There's a large portion of people who see selecting a book, or doing other things very advantageous.

    bballdaniel3 [1605235]

    Even if people are just doing it for the incentives, or if Torn is doing it for business purposes, it doesn’t really matter. The end result is that money is going to charity. So everyone should be happy here, right?

    Player - gets cosmetic/minor benefit
    Torn - Community goodwill or tax reasons (which aren’t even real)
    Charity - receives donation

    I’m confused about what the downsides are here, as long as the “rewards” stay within reason
    I want to be the first player to get every book. In the current systems, it looks like that will be no one.

    Giving to charity $x per book it just pay to win, and apparently Torn isn't even benefiting from it.

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    Posted on 22:01:58 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Unlucky [2472585]

    You don’t understand how tax deductibles works and it shows.

    finally [2060206]

    Wrong thread bro, but I edited it, appreciate your useless input tho!
    Always happy to tell someone they don’t understand what they’re on about.
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    Posted on 22:02:28 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    CHINGADERA [2270005]

    Always love when a staff member insults the playerbase. Reminds me when bogie called everyone incels.

    Spliffy [315389]

    That’s actually a really good idea for one of the charity centre rewards.

    Donate $25 and bogie has to flame one player of your choosing to a moderate extent.
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