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Posted on 22:38:22 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkGood job, you now have 2 threads making you look like an uninformed chucklef**k. Maybe quit while you're not too far behind.
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Posted on 22:40:32 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkI still say there's nothing wrong with game level power based rewards as long as it can't be seen as exclusivity.
Example being my +300 energy gain from MCS stock for 25k+ donation, you could buy enough donor packs with 25k to level up +3 levels on MCS at 8-10 (the highest levels) and game design prevents you from gaining more than 1,000E at once. So effectively you could buy the same with even less money and have the Torn cash value to play with. So it's not exclusive, anyone can buy and sell donor packs at any time to lvl up MCS and get even better rewards than that. You can't get lvl 13 MCS because again capped at 1,000E.
So I'm definitely not against buying power as long as it aligns with donor pack value (or close) and isn't exclusive. It's about incentivizing charitible donations. Sure you get LESS by donating to charity than buying and selling donor packs, but charity gets it, everyone wins.Last edited by Beerstein on 22:41:53 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago) -
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Posted on 22:40:41 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linki am strongly resisting my urge to shit all over the "make the world better" rhetoric that comes with appealing to charity, but the humble small business passion project nature of torn does tend to make me believe in a more pure altruistic reasoning for these kinds of statements than naked self-promotion - i'll wait until i see some external advert that mentions it needlessly before i actually groan
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Posted on 22:40:56 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkI think you complicated your post so much so that people got confused, I believe a simpler way to say it would be "provide half the value that donator packs would give" or something along those lines. I got you covered with an R+ though!
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Posted on 22:42:35 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkIf Torn truly does not benefit in ANY way, why become the middleman at all?
Do you need more development ideas? Updates here get released pretty slowly, This is such a waste of valuable developer time.
Link to your favourite charities, possibly even with a referral link for tracking (not by user), and list the benefits of donating, along with the good heart feelings.
I'm really not sure why RL donating is making its way into the game. -
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Posted on 22:46:46 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post link
Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.Why do it at all? Because Ched is in a position to influence people, in a position to incentivize people and because he maybe sees that as having a responsibility to act to make the world a better place.
Because he's not a prick like Elon Musk that doesn't understand that his gains by exploiting others obligates him to help humanity but instead is a self-abdorbed douchebag.
Honestly if you're in a position to influence for good, wouldn't you want to? It amazes me how many people don't understand why Ched would want to help people.Last edited by Beerstein on 22:47:05 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago) -
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Posted on 22:49:57 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkBeing shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.
The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.
In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.
If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?Doesn't answer my question about becoming the middleman, who tracks the date, time, amount donated, frequency of donations to charities.
You can do everything you just listed without building it into the game. A charity awareness page with bright colours and fluffy flavour text is all you need. -
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Posted on 22:52:09 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkBeing shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.
The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.
In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.
If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?e girls on tik tok have more pulling power -
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Posted on 22:52:16 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHonestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.
There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.A charity awareness post wont generate as much money as having an artist scribble off a few things and insert it into the template that is game items. It's not about bare minimum, it's about action.
I get it you want faster better development we all do, but this isn't gonna suddenly cause Torn development to screech to a halt and Ched has seen it as worth the investment for the returns it'd give. Good on him honestly. -
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Posted on 22:52:52 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHonestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.
There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.Surely you mean more tugging power. Also good on them, they can donate too. -
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Posted on 22:53:31 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkWell, Ched is well off with cash, not enough to give him dragons sickness yet though.
Also, it does "benefit" torn to have charitable efforts, not sure if they'd get any publicity from that work specifically, especially out to their target audience, but it does put this game in a good light. Doesn't make the game more enjoyable specifically, but it does move the game slightly away from a pure cash based focus.
This has been talked about ever since pre-respo IIRC, if I am correct on that, this is older than the crimes 2.0 announcement... If anything, this should have come much sooner, just like C2.0. -
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Posted on 22:59:32 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkDegreed Accountant in the US here.
Just a heads up for anyone in the US, federal law does not allow charitable donations through a payroll deduction to be done pre-tax. (Unlike an HSA contribution or 401k contribution)
A donation to a Torn charity is going to be treated as any other charity assuming the Torn charity is a 501(c)(3) -
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Posted on 23:00:57 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkBut was OP shut down? He was DM'ed (as apposed to the forum which would arguable resulted in a bigger pile on, as shown here). He could of licked his wounds and no one would of known it.
Its fine to consider the alternative benefits, but to strait up declare something wrong, and be called out for being a moron is a great tradition of these forums, that i myself would like to see continued.
I'm a big fan of the fact i can call bellends being bellends bellends, and i don't want that to end, and i thing that right should extend to sugar. -
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Posted on 23:01:14 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkFor the people screaming "wHy nOt DoNaTe DiReCtLy" because you're afraid Ched is scheming, I think the next time Torn has downtime, you should have to donate to a charity to get your chain restored.
Always the first to cry "me! This isn't fair! Gimme free stuff!" but suddenly suspicious of Ched cuz "tAxEs". Give me a break. -
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Posted on 23:03:53 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkBeing shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.
The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.
In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.
If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?I hear you bro, I see you. You're a passionate person.
I believe you mentioned it in one of your posts, if it wasn't you here's to that person, "the vast majority are selfish people and need a reason to give to others." I agree with this wholeheartedly, I've worked in middle to upper management for a long time and everyone is extremely selfish and only really want to accomplish the job with the most benefit to themselves.
It's a vicious cycle for humans and it will persist until the blessed meteor comes. I digress, what makes you so sure Ched is not a prick? Finally may not have went about his post as diplomatically as possible to truly bring some engagement from Ched on the topic since he became irritated and locked the thread, but we need answers. Not just shinies for money. I have shinies, why do I want those shinies?
We have the mouthpiece out here posting and going, dropping insults. Yada yada hostilities blah blah but no answers.
This appears poorly put together, hastily pushed and I don't want to detract from the "work" that has been put in to this idea from Ched and Co. but if so much work was put in to the idea where's the presentation? I would expect this from a high schooler presenting. Not a for profit company looking to "help the world through the community".Imagine simping for a female, ever. #freehaha_noob
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Posted on 23:10:10 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHonestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.
There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.Im just here cause everyone else is and you quoted a million people. Cheers. Continue your business. -
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Posted on 23:13:01 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkIdea:
Can Chedburn create his own Charity? Can the chairies mission, literally be to give to other charities? Is that a thing?
Boom, personal player tax problem fixed, and you can track all of our donations in your own database (since you guys want that for some reason) -
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Posted on 23:13:25 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHonestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.
There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.I was discussing this with someone earlier. I won't name them in case they don't want to be drawn into all this, but they said "Sometimes, even just small tokenary benefits is enough to get people to do the right thing that otherwise wouldn't." That's why I think this is worthwhile. -
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Posted on 23:19:47 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkHonestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.
There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.I know enough to know Cheds a good person. I say this as someone that isn't subscribing solely because AB+ bloodbags actively f**k over new players. Sure there's plenty that bugs me but even I have seen enough to know he cares about the game, the players, and others in general. There are signs if you look for them between his staffing, his own donation efforts that aren't publicized (sorry Ched, some of us are well aware) the way he's chosen to re-invest into the game and stuff he says even if he isn't great with people sometimes.
You don't have to take my word for it, it is what it is that's just my personal stance. As for how he presented it, I suspect this is another one of Cheds quirks, he demands committee go through the shitty ass forum suggestion system instead of dropping it right into the committee (unless relevant) and chose to hold himself to the same standards here without dropping a full on professional presentation. In retrospect maybe he feels it was a mistake which is why he closed it and said it'd be presented better next time.
He's also had experience only running Torn since being a teenager so doesn't have practical presentation experience the way someone like LT_Wolf would for example, so yeah you're probably not gonna get your standard presentation. He can probably do at least a decent job but it's likely that the way he presented it was again intentional as he tried to put himself among rather than above the community. He also probably and clearly incorrectly assumed that others would understand the basics of charitable donations a bit better.
TL;DR Shit happens but there's not really a good reason for people to keep going for the throat here IMO and I say this as someone that doesn't donate solely because part of the game design bothers me that much.Last edited by Beerstein on 23:23:09 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago) -
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Posted on 23:20:21 - 22/11/22 (2 years ago)Post link copied to clipboard Copy post linkThis thread is on a whole new level of clusterf**k shit posting.
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