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    Posted on 20:47:21 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Juggernaut [39773]

    tax right off or not, there's nothing stopping you from choosing to donate directly, it's not as if you'll be rewarded with SE's.

    Personally, I think it's a good idea with 1 simple downside. Charity should be given as... well, charity. Rewards shouldn't be expected and when I think about the people in the future glory-bragging on the forums all I can picture are the soccer moms or influencer wannabe's filming themselves giving the homeless 10 cents and expecting to be treated like they shit gold.

    I'd also like it if the torn community could vote for new charities every so often
    While yes, I agree that charity should come from the heart, not all people are likely to donate. By providing a small incentive, it raises charitable contributions. Also, some may be on the fence on donating. Incentives help tip the scales. 

    I see this to be more closely related to a long term charity drive rather than some evil tax evasion scheme. Whatever the reason, there is good to come from it.

    I don't have a lot of expendable cash but I have a large family. I do gather old clothes from my family to donate. I may or may not claim it on my taxes, typically not though. I do it because I want to avoid waste while helping people. If I had money to donate, I'd be all for Torn's charity (depending on the charity organizations and causes). I get to support a good cause AND get a small benefit in return? Why not?
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    Posted on 20:47:33 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    you can tell who here has only ever been a lowly worker and who has worked higher up in businesses. the devs need to stop lying if they actually want people to support them, theres alot more to the tax write off than just not paying tax on the donation, if you arent also wrapping hundreds of hours of your employees time in at a jacked up rate then you are simply screwing yourself out of extra you could be donating. maybe if u were doing some sort of match system where u also donate so ur actually not making profit......
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    Posted on 20:53:08 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Hitman titles for charitable donors.
    Ah so have to pay for something we already earned?

    Sounds like a familiar model.



    Not a serious comment so lets not get in a twist.

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    Posted on 20:53:51 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Posted on 20:54:22 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Juggernaut [39773]

    tax right off or not, there's nothing stopping you from choosing to donate directly, it's not as if you'll be rewarded with SE's.

    Personally, I think it's a good idea with 1 simple downside. Charity should be given as... well, charity. Rewards shouldn't be expected and when I think about the people in the future glory-bragging on the forums all I can picture are the soccer moms or influencer wannabe's filming themselves giving the homeless 10 cents and expecting to be treated like they shit gold.

    I'd also like it if the torn community could vote for new charities every so often

    JoeSkull [533524]

    While yes, I agree that charity should come from the heart, not all people are likely to donate. By providing a small incentive, it raises charitable contributions. Also, some may be on the fence on donating. Incentives help tip the scales.

    I see this to be more closely related to a long term charity drive rather than some evil tax evasion scheme. Whatever the reason, there is good to come from it.

    I don't have a lot of expendable cash but I have a large family. I do gather old clothes from my family to donate. I may or may not claim it on my taxes, typically not though. I do it because I want to avoid waste while helping people. If I had money to donate, I'd be all for Torn's charity (depending on the charity organizations and causes). I get to support a good cause AND get a small benefit in return? Why not?
    Also, research, finding legitimate institutions, going over their books etc. is a nightmare for most people. If a company they trust says they'll do that legwork and all you have to do is literally the same thing you do to make a pament that you're already doing anyway, it makes people a lot more comfortable dropping the $$$.

    The best incentive IMO would be something like up to +3 levels on your MCS block. At a low level it's great but limited value. The higher your BASE level of the stock is, the more value it is but the more you'd have to invest (caps at 10 cause max 1,000E). So essentailly to get the full value you'd need base lvl 7 in MCS, but still good for new players.

    ^^^A scaling incentive like that would be perfect for massive donations of like 10-25k. I'd have to double check the cost of 8-10 MCS but I spsuect it'd be valued at something like 25k in donor packs. So it'd incentivize massive donations, limit the amount of power given to a reasonable number for that donation, and incentivize the player to also invest heavily in MCS in-game.

    Edit: It's around 200b potential value. That's around 43k in USD for donor packs. So something like +3 levels in MCS would actually be a perfect incentive for a 25k+ donation (Imagine trying to sell 8,000 donator packs, f**k that) It's a super high value bonus if you invest for it, but it's also not a massive advantage and for putting 25k+ in charity? Hell yes.


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    Clearly doesn't like chairty as you could literally buy more via donator packs in-game than that benefit would give.

    TL;DR 25k+ donations should give instant +300E passive to MCS stock blocks in addition to the other cosmetic bonuses. 25k in donor packs sold in-game would give more cash than lvl 8-10 MCS costs anyway and anyone downvoting this hates charity.
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    Posted on 20:59:19 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    R-, misleading title and general shitpost.

    Only referenced sugarvalves name (as saltyvalves) in the title so that anyone would be interested in reading how little you know about what you're saying in spite of your access to Google.
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    Posted on 21:01:28 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    FilthyCasual [2527073]

    R-, misleading title and general shitpost.

    Only referenced sugarvalves name (as saltyvalves) in the title so that anyone would be interested in reading how little you know about what you're saying in spite of your access to Google.
    Was all about sugartits reaction, but sure bud.

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:19:16 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)
    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.

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    Posted on 21:20:50 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Tarelli [1060371]

    When I give to charity I don't do it to get money back...

    finally [2060206]

    But why not, if you can? Not like charity gets less, in fact you could donate more if you calculate the deductions of taxes in :) Win win to me :)

    Tarelli [1060371]

    I don't know if I can.

    Its not something I'd bother looking in to.

    I just give to causes when I see fit.
    Sounds like the norm torn player, not giving a damn about their taxes, so cant blame you there! You do you!

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:21:24 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    I don't even know what this is about, but seens just like crimes 2.0 will take a extra year, haha.
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    Posted on 21:21:30 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    finally [2060206]



    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.
    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?
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    Posted on 21:23:21 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?
    I need to get some inside info on it. I'll get back to you.
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    Posted on 21:26:58 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?
    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.
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    Posted on 21:31:39 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.
    Imagine if there was third parties you could work with, so you could provide game benefits, and people could claim their tax benefits? sounds crazy, I know, but there are organizations like betterplace.org, and afaik they even have APIs.

    But who am I to say this, I never donate, right :)

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:34:18 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

    bogie [148747]

    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
    And an unfertilized egg will never hatch no matter how long the hen sits on it. 

    I disagree with Solor though, throwing money at an IT problem rarely works.
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    Posted on 21:36:17 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.

    finally [2060206]

    Imagine if there was third parties you could work with, so you could provide game benefits, and people could claim their tax benefits? sounds crazy, I know, but there are organizations like betterplace.org, and afaik they even have APIs.

    But who am I to say this, I never donate, right :)
    This is an option we actually looked at in the past, the levels of red tape surrounding it made it impossible for us to achieve, and many charities actually didn't want to partner with "a crime game" out of fear of losing out on other donations through bad press.

    Ched comments on that here if you want a better source, this isn't an idea we've recently pulled out of nowhere, a lot of consideration has gone in to this and we want to make the world better with our community, I'm truly baffled why you continue to double down to shit on giving money to charity and discourage the same of others.
    https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=2&t=15968091&b=0&a=0&start=0&to=16934158
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    Posted on 21:36:39 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    What I read is if you want more uniqueish p2w donate $$ for rl war... horrible imo, i rly want Torn to be pure just game totally disconnected from rl

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    chupACABra [474281]

    What I read is if you want more uniqueish p2w donate $$ for rl war... horrible imo, i rly want Torn to be pure just game totally disconnected from rl
    This, 100%.

    It's game, leave it at that.
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    Posted on 21:39:29 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.

    finally [2060206]

    Imagine if there was third parties you could work with, so you could provide game benefits, and people could claim their tax benefits? sounds crazy, I know, but there are organizations like betterplace.org, and afaik they even have APIs.

    But who am I to say this, I never donate, right :)

    bogie [148747]

    This is an option we actually looked at in the past, the levels of red tape surrounding it made it impossible for us to achieve, and many charities actually didn't want to partner with "a crime game" out of fear of losing out on other donations through bad press.

    Ched comments on that here if you want a better source, this isn't an idea we've recently pulled out of nowhere, a lot of consideration has gone in to this and we want to make the world better with our community, I'm truly baffled why you continue to double down to shit on giving money to charity and discourage the same of others.
    https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=2&t=15968091&b=0&a=0&start=0&to=16934158
    Sure bud.

    sugarvalves is a piece of shit

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    Posted on 21:40:28 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Sugartits representing TORN as a f**king retard asshole, sugartits parents must be proud they never made it out of committee to staff.

    MightyGoober [812478]

    Being shutdown for asking legitimate questions isn't right.

    The moment I started reading over it, i figured Torn benefits.

    In some way or form, Ched wouldn't do this unless it benefited his business. Whether it's a tax incentive, or something else.... there is something.

    If there is literally no business case for Ched, why add it?

    bogie [148747]

    Honestly that's just depressing that people genuinely cannot comprehend a genuine want to provide a means of help for people without a business incentive.


    There is nothing in it for Torn other than the knowledge that we can, as a community, better the world around us.
    First off, players being genuinely curious is being met with a large amount of hostility. If this does get released, you're going to need quite a big bullet proof Q&A page. We have questions, did you expect a mass amount of people to just blindly act like sheep?

    -

    Honestly, just let people donate directly to charity. Maybe a page with links out directly to their websites. You could list the countries where people get personal tax incentives (among other things), and your push could actually make people donate to causes, if that's all you want.


    If this is added to Torn, I'm going to feel like I'll have to drop $x amount of cash to "get a missed book", which already pisses me off because of the way the book chance is generated to an infinite loop of subscriber status. Not sure what I'm talking about?? clicky

    You're like Apple "fixing" problems they create.

    What if I don't want to donate to charity?
    The moment you say "well don't" ...

    ...


    ...

    You're offering services that you can't get anywhere else in the game. If I want to keep up, I'll have to. You listed way more than cosmetics in the rewards. I find some of those listed things OP.
    Stick to the colours and cosmetics.

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