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    Posted on 19:06:59 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster? 

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Posted on 19:07:57 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Somehow, I don’t think Sugarvalves is the salty one here..

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    Posted on 19:08:46 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.
    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.

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    Posted on 19:09:39 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

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    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
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    Posted on 19:10:26 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
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    Posted on 19:12:27 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

    bogie [148747]

    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
    go on fiver 9 coders could have had crime 2.0 up in a week
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    Posted on 19:17:06 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Intention or not it's exactly what you achieved through your misinformation...

    If you don't want to use such a system then don't use it. If you want to donate money to Torn to get benefits then you're always better off doing regular donator packs. The purpose of the charity centre would never be a "pay to win" system, as it would be largely cosmetic with some minor perks, that would no doubt be not quite as good as buying donator packs, but unique enough where there's some people who would be interested.

    This whole system is about Torn working alongside it's community to benefit the world as a whole, and provide an incentive for people to donate for charitable causes.

    The whole argument of "but I could claim this myself!!!" is a bit ridiculous in my view as if that's the case then go ahead and do that directly to the charity then? That's great! Win win! You get what you want and the charity, which is what we want to benefit here, rather than Torn in any way, gets support!

    But were you ever going to do that? Probably not... The whole point here is about giving some way where people would donate to charity and get something they might want in place of that, utilising the community as a whole to really make a larger difference for society.

    We have a great community here in Torn, and want what we've done here to help make the world better.
    I like the idea.
    Titles, different color names, and so on still have "some minor perks" mentioned there can be a kinda op like a book voucher (especially if you could get more than one) anyway savages made a mistake by telling this
    Torn will provide a range of in-game rewards which increase in usefulness and prestige the more you donate

    that kinda sounded like making torn p2w. I think if it would be described like Ched said

    All rewards would be cosmetic, or provide a very slight / minor advantage which is very limited.
    it would be much less resistance

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    Posted on 19:17:54 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

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    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.

    Whisper [1828766]

    go on fiver 9 coders could have had crime 2.0 up in a week
    how babby 2.0 was formed
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    Posted on 19:20:03 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

    bogie [148747]

    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
    Depends on how well the operation went I guess...
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    Posted on 19:20:49 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Intention or not it's exactly what you achieved through your misinformation...

    If you don't want to use such a system then don't use it. If you want to donate money to Torn to get benefits then you're always better off doing regular donator packs. The purpose of the charity centre would never be a "pay to win" system, as it would be largely cosmetic with some minor perks, that would no doubt be not quite as good as buying donator packs, but unique enough where there's some people who would be interested.

    This whole system is about Torn working alongside it's community to benefit the world as a whole, and provide an incentive for people to donate for charitable causes.

    The whole argument of "but I could claim this myself!!!" is a bit ridiculous in my view as if that's the case then go ahead and do that directly to the charity then? That's great! Win win! You get what you want and the charity, which is what we want to benefit here, rather than Torn in any way, gets support!

    But were you ever going to do that? Probably not... The whole point here is about giving some way where people would donate to charity and get something they might want in place of that, utilising the community as a whole to really make a larger difference for society.

    We have a great community here in Torn, and want what we've done here to help make the world better.

    Adrenalinas [1974447]

    I like the idea.
    Titles, different color names, and so on still have "some minor perks" mentioned there can be a kinda op like a book voucher (especially if you could get more than one) anyway savages made a mistake by telling this
    Torn will provide a range of in-game rewards which increase in usefulness and prestige the more you donate

    that kinda sounded like making torn p2w. I think if it would be described like Ched said

    All rewards would be cosmetic, or provide a very slight / minor advantage which is very limited.
    it would be much less resistance
    Hitman titles for charitable donors.

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    Posted on 19:21:47 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Intention or not it's exactly what you achieved through your misinformation...

    If you don't want to use such a system then don't use it. If you want to donate money to Torn to get benefits then you're always better off doing regular donator packs. The purpose of the charity centre would never be a "pay to win" system, as it would be largely cosmetic with some minor perks, that would no doubt be not quite as good as buying donator packs, but unique enough where there's some people who would be interested.

    This whole system is about Torn working alongside it's community to benefit the world as a whole, and provide an incentive for people to donate for charitable causes.

    The whole argument of "but I could claim this myself!!!" is a bit ridiculous in my view as if that's the case then go ahead and do that directly to the charity then? That's great! Win win! You get what you want and the charity, which is what we want to benefit here, rather than Torn in any way, gets support!

    But were you ever going to do that? Probably not... The whole point here is about giving some way where people would donate to charity and get something they might want in place of that, utilising the community as a whole to really make a larger difference for society.

    We have a great community here in Torn, and want what we've done here to help make the world better.

    Adrenalinas [1974447]

    I like the idea.
    Titles, different color names, and so on still have "some minor perks" mentioned there can be a kinda op like a book voucher (especially if you could get more than one) anyway savages made a mistake by telling this
    Torn will provide a range of in-game rewards which increase in usefulness and prestige the more you donate

    that kinda sounded like making torn p2w. I think if it would be described like Ched said

    All rewards would be cosmetic, or provide a very slight / minor advantage which is very limited.
    it would be much less resistance

    bogie [148747]

    Hitman titles for charitable donors.
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    Posted on 19:23:13 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Intention or not it's exactly what you achieved through your misinformation...

    If you don't want to use such a system then don't use it. If you want to donate money to Torn to get benefits then you're always better off doing regular donator packs. The purpose of the charity centre would never be a "pay to win" system, as it would be largely cosmetic with some minor perks, that would no doubt be not quite as good as buying donator packs, but unique enough where there's some people who would be interested.

    This whole system is about Torn working alongside it's community to benefit the world as a whole, and provide an incentive for people to donate for charitable causes.

    The whole argument of "but I could claim this myself!!!" is a bit ridiculous in my view as if that's the case then go ahead and do that directly to the charity then? That's great! Win win! You get what you want and the charity, which is what we want to benefit here, rather than Torn in any way, gets support!

    But were you ever going to do that? Probably not... The whole point here is about giving some way where people would donate to charity and get something they might want in place of that, utilising the community as a whole to really make a larger difference for society.

    We have a great community here in Torn, and want what we've done here to help make the world better.

    Adrenalinas [1974447]

    I like the idea.
    Titles, different color names, and so on still have "some minor perks" mentioned there can be a kinda op like a book voucher (especially if you could get more than one) anyway savages made a mistake by telling this
    Torn will provide a range of in-game rewards which increase in usefulness and prestige the more you donate

    that kinda sounded like making torn p2w. I think if it would be described like Ched said

    All rewards would be cosmetic, or provide a very slight / minor advantage which is very limited.
    it would be much less resistance

    bogie [148747]

    Hitman titles for charitable donors.
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    Posted on 19:25:21 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    a select group of charities chosen by us

    SV's thread got locked quick so I guess we'll have to wait a week for more details on this?

    I like Juggernaut's idea of the community periodically voting on a selection, from a given list ofc.

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    Posted on 19:26:58 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    The only Salty one here seems like OP

    It's for a good thing, and wont be op/ "b2w" nothing to complain about really. Torns commitment for charity is something both players and staff cand be proud off.
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    Posted on 19:30:15 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    bogie [148747]

    Hitman titles for charitable donors.
    torn staff anytime they get a chance to provide customer service to the raving lunatics that play this game:
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    Posted on 19:30:28 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Isn’t this basically fundraising?

    Like… someone doing a parachute jump for charity… you could argue that instead of doing the jump they should just donate to charity.

    As human beings we are innately selfish and unless there is ‘something in it for us’, whether that be watching someone do something dangerous/funny or meaningless pixels in a game, it encourages people to give money to worthwhile causes.

    Ched has said he wanted to do this for a number of years, and we have seen Ched put his money where his mouth is on a number of occasions in support of charities close to the player base.

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    Posted on 19:32:44 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    completely agree with sugarvalves, i hope he hops on the duke account and mugs you.
    Just fire up the script dumbass, you could mug him endlessly whenever he comes out the hosp. Cheating shitbag.

    Imagine simping for a female, ever.

    #freehaha_noob

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    Posted on 19:35:52 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    If you have no clue about what you are reading, either stay silent or go inform yourself. Op did neither and spent disinformation instead, so i'm Sugarvalves on this one also.

    As for the donations itself;

    1) Make sure there is something for animals. I don't like people, and i'm not alone.
    2) Make sure none of the rewards give you an actual advantage ingame, otherwise you are subverting a thing that should be charity. Go wild on cosmetics, titles, name colors and what not, but avoid involving duke and books for example.
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    Posted on 19:36:21 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Raelyn [2636726]

    But for the majority of players in the U.S. at least, that's not true. You didn't reply on the other thread, but only people who itemize their deductions can claim donations.


    To make it simple:


    If I donate on Torn, I can get a fun reward.
    If I donate directly, I get nothing tax-wise.


    Again, this applies to most people (in the US), as over 85% use standardized deductions.






    I can appreciate that you're trying to help people but your information is not correct -> ("still dislike the idea since people can get tax relief if they donate directly")
    This is correct. Unless you donate a lot and itemize you're not gaining any benefits for donations. That's most people, myself included, not sure why it's being downvoted. Once I started making donations I very quickly realized that it had 0 impact on my taxes unless I donated so much that it certainly wouldn't be worth it anyway (from a personal financial standpoint). Tax deductions on donations are for rich people lol. Just donate to do good, or benefits in Tron.
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    Posted on 19:36:26 - 22/11/22 (1 year ago)
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    Solor [2476035]

    That's a bit stupid in my opinion (no hate, more power to you if you like it). So you can donate to charity via torn and it doesn't get you anything in terms of game benefit. Wouldn't it be better to encourage players to buy donator packs so that we can hire more staff and get crimes 2.0 earlier / better servers faster?

    Just my 2 cents.

    bogie [148747]

    9 women can't make a baby in 1 month.
    I KNEW IT!

    Crimes 2.0 is a one woman job, and you have had Alice locked in the server room crime writing for over 3 years now!
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