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    Posted on 23:47:30 - 01/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    maikcot [2574240]

    Hey guys, ive spoken to some of the guys that have given this guy a large amount of money and been scamed. ive raged so hard i decided to make something more serious.

    https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=11&t=16236971&b=0&a=0

    here is the url if your interested in my project. Thanks
    Just an advise if like to take. This is very bad time and place to advertise. I will explain what happened to everyone on Tuesday. Just busy in RL right now.
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    Posted on 07:59:02 - 02/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Imagine getting scammed on a game that allows people to scam. :O
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    Posted on 14:55:37 - 02/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Wow, some people just gotta pat the burning dog.
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    Posted on 00:21:27 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    E
    Last edited by Bughunter10 on 02:23:26 - 03/08/21

    13,295 total battle stats :)

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    R+ Would love to see where this thread goes :P
    Still R+, went exactly where I thought it would
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    13,295 total battle stats :)

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    Posted on 11:00:15 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    maikcot [2574240]

    Hey guys, ive spoken to some of the guys that have given this guy a large amount of money and been scamed. ive raged so hard i decided to make something more serious.

    https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=11&t=16236971&b=0&a=0

    here is the url if your interested in my project. Thanks

    AdanaliApo [2329098]

    Just an advise if like to take. This is very bad time and place to advertise. I will explain what happened to everyone on Tuesday. Just busy in RL right now.
    I will confirm, even a small investment I tried a few weeks ago has been kept & I have received nothing but silence from AdanaliApo. His promises of explanation were also lies. Sadly, his effort at a comeback to the game seems to have come to a quick end.
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    Posted on 16:07:11 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    First of all, I would like to welcome everyone to TV Drama series of Poor Man season 1.

    Episode 1: HOW DID I END UP GOING TO FEDERAL JAIL FOR A WEEK?

    Episode 2: WHY DID BUGHUNTER10 WENT HAYWIRE? WHAT HE DID AND GOT IN RETURN?

    Episode 3: CONVERSATION WITH KAYO

    Episode 4: EVALUATION OF THE CURRENT SITUATION

    Episode 5: SEASON FINAL: CONCLUSION ON WHAT TO DO NEXT

    Here we go...

    EPISODE 1:
    Around last month, one of my client invested his entire networth with me which was approximately 80M for 4 weeks deal. I pinged him before his payment day, and he asked me to send the money to another player. As he owes him 100M which I was naïve to say sure np. I sent the money over and next morning I woke up in the federal jail for middleman activity.( 1 week penalty ) I complained about this player and either him or the admins deleted both of his accounts.

    EPISODE 2:
    First of all, we made a deal with BugHunter10 for a really long term investment. It was a special deal due to his request. He decided to invest the money for 16 weeks which he made me calculate the final outcome and money was locked in as I stated here in my first message. To my surprise he was already asking 100M back in the first week of the investment, and keep bugging me about it.

    Anyways, when my penalty was over, I wasn't able to login for like next 12 hours due to busy RL. I was able to login later at that night, and I was shocked with what I saw. While I was in jail he went haywire. Sent me more than 10 emails, threatened me by making me quit the game by going after everyone involves me etc etc. Then he attacked me and placed bounties on me. Talked to my other clients and claimed that I scammed him while I was in JAIL. I had 2 more people asking for their money which I will get back to this point in another episode as this involves Kayo which is a special case by itself. He threatened my workers to quit my company. 2 of them were gone already... Like I said this happened while I was in jail and like the 12 hours that I wasn't online after the jail. So naturally, I was so pissed. I asked him why he attacked me, all I was hearing is that, he was just trying to make me reply him, and he wants his money right now. First of all, his money wasn't due, he is not honoring the deal we made, but, I still offered him a solution as I didn't want this to get any bigger issue, I simply asked him to repair the damage he caused. Talk to the clients and tell them it was a misunderstanding as this business is trust based and get my workers back so that I would give the money back. His answer was placing more bounties on me, attacking me more and telling me to f**k off... He blackmailed me by posting here that I'm a scammer and he was just waiting for another client to write first as he wanted to keep an open door with me to receive his money back. He thinks he can fool everyone. But, after Kayo commented he also felt there is no way back... So, yes I told him that I'm not giving his money back.

    EPISODE 3:
    Kayo, Kayo, Kayo... You are probably the most unlucky person in TORN that I encountered my friend... But here is what happened.

    Kayo was due payment the next day after I get out of jail. And last 2 times, I sent his money 1 or 2 days earlier than his due date. I wont get into technical details but that's how I run my business, I don't take more risks if I hit the target. Rightfully, Kayo was writing to me as well while I was in jail. So, I told him what happened. My investments was all together at %-2 after I came back from jail due to not being able to manage them. I have a statement here says, I would pay your initial money + the profit I promised no matter what happens. But, as I know shit storm was coming from BugHunter, everyone were going to ask monies early. Which I had another client asking the same thing at the same time, and if I were to do it, I wouldn't be able to pay everyone. I simply needed to wait until investments are at %0 so I can pay the promised profits from my own pocket. Kayo showed incredible understanding, and gave me the couple more days I requested.

    Meanwhile, Bughunter10 was messaging me by destroying my mutual funds business and the company I own. But, he was mainly focused on my company as my workers were reporting to me. Which, I asked him why? He said that he got information from my friends that the company is the only thing I care in this game... Lol I think someone asked money to provide him information and just scammed him... I clearly stated here, I'm back to game to play with stocks... Anyways, let's go back to topic.

    Before we closed the chat with Kayo, his tone suddenly changed... He said that, one of his mod friends said I'm %100 scammer, and he said that I shouldn't f**k him over. He wants his money back and he wont invest with me again, he has find another friend who is better in investing than me...

    The message I got from this conversation was, I'm desperate to get my money back, I don't trust you anymore, I wont invest with you anymore, just give my money back or I have very powerful friends... I mean, I have not do anything wrong to anyone until this point. I do believe I'm right on BugHunter10 issue. Kayo himself said here that he trusts me before. But I felt like Kayo was now taking side with Bughunter. Somehow, they were acting together. Keep in mind, these event are happening at the same time... I wanted to verify that they were acting together before taking any action.

    I tease Bughunter10, to see which clients he talked with. He didn't give me any names, but he said, everyone will ask their monies now, you are scammer and we will go after your company. I couldn't get clear answer here unfortunately and made my first mistake. I felt that this was not fair to me at all, I told Kayo that, I'm not returning his money either. I didn't provide him the reason.

    Very interestingly, first thing Kayo did was making 2 of my workers quit my company even before placing bounties on me which is much more easier... So, there was my proof that they were working together.

    Kayo and me, never insulted each other, were always respectful to each other. So, he asked me why I did that. I explained him the situation one more time, and I told him he wasn't fair against me by taking side with BugHunter10 without even listening my side of the story... Kayo said that, he wasn't working with Bughunter, it was only a coincidence that he went after my workers. I told him here that, I will be getting this information confirmed that it was really coincidence, and if it was I would return the money. At this point, I didn't see his post in this thread. Yes, I now have couple of insiders on Bughunter side... Unfortunately, seems like Kayo was right... It was most likely just BugHunter's trash talking...

    PS: Couple of small investors both due and not due payment also contacted me but I haven't replied to them as I was waiting for the above information.

    EPISODE 4:
    So, at this point, I would like to evaluate the situation only for my side personally and business wise. Here are the facts:

    • Poor Man's mutual fund business is over, straight to trash, due to destroyed reputation of being scammer.
    • All of clients(except 4-5 that probably didn't see this thread yet) want's their monies back and they are clearly never coming back. Biggest reason here is Kayo's comment which started the party.
    • I have bounties that says scammer on me, so it's not possible to get anymore clients either. End of the story.
    • I have bunch of bounties on me, and seems like it's gonna be in that way for a while now.
    • I got kicked out of my faction, thanks to Bughunters crying.
    • My spouse left me again Kayo and Bughunters threats.
    • My company got big hit and dropped to 9* as the inventory was empty while I was in jail.
    • Many of my workers have left the company due to this shit storm.
    • Kayo's 1B is hostage with me
    • Bughunter10 lost 800M, that money is never returning.


    EPISODE 5:

    Sooo, what's next now?

    I have 2 options here really:

    1-) Pay everyone's money back except BugHunter10, let them go away happily, seize all operations of Poor Man's Mutual Funds. and continue to play with stocks only with my own money left. Ah and Bughunters sweet 800M, but still have the reputation of a scammer.
    2-) Take all the money and go away. Continue stocks with it have fun and have the reputation of a scammer.

    I'm trying to make a decision here and every single thing I wrote here is true. I never lied in this business. I'm asking Kayo to verify at least his part of the story as Bughunter is gonna say it's lie regardless what I say. I was always honest, and my business was all legit before this stupid series of events... Again, I'm gonna admit, when I consider all the facts and possible outcomes, I feel like second options is more appealing for me and it's more logical to take.

    People just don't believe you once a single person claims that you are a scammer. Here is more details, why BugHunter10 asked me to invest his money for 16 weeks but not max 4 weeks like the other clients? Because, he told me that he is accused of selling child porn in RL, he doesn't have time to think about the game money. He just wants it to grow until his court is over. He did say that he is innocent but I'm not the judge, I don't know what's true what's not in his statements about this. He even asked me what happens to his money if he was to go to jail over a year or so. He asked me to keep re-investing and growing it until he comes out. I have explained this to his employers, no one believes me that I'm telling the truth. So, I have a clear example of how my TORN life is going to be after this point. There is no point to fight against it. One said I'm a scammer, so everything I say is a lie no matter what I say, even tho the person accuses me of being scammer is a true garbage person...
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    Posted on 18:20:16 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Actually, there's a third option.  Pay everyone back, period.  Regardless of what has occurred, if you keep one person's money, then it's scamming.  

    You can't go around telling people, I only scammed once, so I'm not a scammer and I had a good reason. There's no moral principle that says "scamming is scamming, except when the person was annoying to you. In the latter case, it's okay to scam." Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Of course, you're in a bind as well now, so you would have to set up a method to pay by instalments, or whatever. Be creative.

    It's all up to you now.
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    Posted on 18:32:00 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    you have a 3 bil nw and a company, dont insult ppl by trying to be nice. 

    just pay it all back

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    Posted on 18:33:01 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Wow... so much drama in the stock market forum...

    So OP, your train of thought is, "Since everyone calls me a scammer, I might as well be one"?

    Ok.
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    Posted on 18:41:39 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    holy sh...
    This went from investments with sketchy high hopes - to having a rival start a new company - to a TV drama that the main ending is I might be a good guy or I might just take your money as you all thought. and it only took 3 pages. nice work.

    it's nice to see you again Regal.
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    Posted on 19:13:23 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Havent disrespect anyone, I'm not afraid of anyone here so please just get the f**k out of here if you were threaten me... I don't care who you are, you can't do shit other than helpless bounties. And this message goes to all of you. ALL

    REPEAT AFTER ME:
    1-) Bughunter wasn't due payment. repeat this 10 times, he asks money he is not right as it's not his payment time.
    2-) Bughunter went after everything I had, I don't have faction, spouse, my mutual funds business is gone, my workers left the company I had spend a lot of time for replacements. Repeat this 10 times. He f**king take action against me without hearing a single word from me at first place.
    3-) He is accused of nasty things. Very nasty things. I just got verified that admins can figure this out. This issue is now under investigation.

    Sure, you think you are strong? you think money he paid you to threaten me worst or defending a faction member worst being on the same side with a minor abuser. Well come at me all together bro. I'm here, what can you do best. I'm here please do your best. You will all see this when your friend's account get deleted or jailed...

    For the innocent investors, hey I'm sorry I picked the second path earlier, as I was just disappointed and angry about what has happened to me. How unfair it was etc. I'm going to pay all of you, even if your term is not over. I will pay you with the profits. Let's arrange safe time.

    Only one f**ker not gonna get money and he is Bughunter10, aka, minor abuser. Hey you wanna be on his side fine bro that's what matches to your "reputation".
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    Posted on 19:20:10 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    o0o0o0o an episode 6 ^
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    Posted on 19:27:24 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Havent disrespect anyone, I'm not afraid of anyone here so please just get the f**k out of here if you were threaten me... I don't care who you are, you can't do shit other than helpless bounties. And this message goes to all of you. ALL

    REPEAT AFTER ME:
    1-) Bughunter wasn't due payment. repeat this 10 times, he asks money he is not right as it's not his payment time.
    2-) Bughunter went after everything I had, I don't have faction, spouse, my mutual funds business is gone, my workers left the company I had spend a lot of time for replacements. Repeat this 10 times. He f**king take action against me without hearing a single word from me at first place.
    3-) He is accused of nasty things. Very nasty things. I just got verified that admins can figure this out. This issue is now under investigation.

    Sure, you think you are strong? you think money he paid you to threaten me worst or defending a faction member worst being on the same side with a minor abuser. Well come at me all together bro. I'm here, what can you do best. I'm here please do your best. You will all see this when your friend's account get deleted or jailed...

    For the innocent investors, hey I'm sorry I picked the second path earlier, as I was just disappointed and angry about what has happened to me. How unfair it was etc. I'm going to pay all of you, even if your term is not over. I will pay you with the profits. Let's arrange safe time.

    Only one f**ker not gonna get money and he is Bughunter10, aka, minor abuser. Hey you wanna be on his side fine bro that's what matches to your "reputation".
    the bounties stay til you have paid ppl.

    nothing personnal you rude boy, i have been contracted

    and i will require public confirmation of payments

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    Posted on 19:27:38 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Seems sketchy, I love it.

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    Posted on 19:32:54 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    Havent disrespect anyone, I'm not afraid of anyone here so please just get the f**k out of here if you were threaten me... I don't care who you are, you can't do shit other than helpless bounties. And this message goes to all of you. ALL

    REPEAT AFTER ME:
    1-) Bughunter wasn't due payment. repeat this 10 times, he asks money he is not right as it's not his payment time.
    2-) Bughunter went after everything I had, I don't have faction, spouse, my mutual funds business is gone, my workers left the company I had spend a lot of time for replacements. Repeat this 10 times. He f**king take action against me without hearing a single word from me at first place.
    3-) He is accused of nasty things. Very nasty things. I just got verified that admins can figure this out. This issue is now under investigation.

    Sure, you think you are strong? you think money he paid you to threaten me worst or defending a faction member worst being on the same side with a minor abuser. Well come at me all together bro. I'm here, what can you do best. I'm here please do your best. You will all see this when your friend's account get deleted or jailed...

    For the innocent investors, hey I'm sorry I picked the second path earlier, as I was just disappointed and angry about what has happened to me. How unfair it was etc. I'm going to pay all of you, even if your term is not over. I will pay you with the profits. Let's arrange safe time.

    Only one f**ker not gonna get money and he is Bughunter10, aka, minor abuser. Hey you wanna be on his side fine bro that's what matches to your "reputation".

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    the bounties stay til you have paid ppl.

    nothing personnal you rude boy, i have been contracted

    and i will require public confirmation of payments
    You are no f**king authority here, get the f**k out, I'm paying people just because I want it, not because you are putting bounties. if you don't put 1000 bounties on me you are a lil bitch nothing else. I will pay everyone but put 1000 bounties on me to prove you are not a lil bitch.
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    Posted on 19:34:04 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    holy sh...
    This went from investments with sketchy high hopes - to having a rival start a new company - to a TV drama that the main ending is I might be a good guy or I might just take your money as you all thought. and it only took 3 pages. nice work.

    it's nice to see you again Regal.
    I'm glad that you are enjoying mate, stay tuned here. more to come I promise. I will deal with all these dirty trash talking bastard myself.
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    Posted on 19:34:05 - 03/08/21 (4 months ago)
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    AdanaliApo [2329098]

    Havent disrespect anyone, I'm not afraid of anyone here so please just get the f**k out of here if you were threaten me... I don't care who you are, you can't do shit other than helpless bounties. And this message goes to all of you. ALL

    REPEAT AFTER ME:
    1-) Bughunter wasn't due payment. repeat this 10 times, he asks money he is not right as it's not his payment time.
    2-) Bughunter went after everything I had, I don't have faction, spouse, my mutual funds business is gone, my workers left the company I had spend a lot of time for replacements. Repeat this 10 times. He f**king take action against me without hearing a single word from me at first place.
    3-) He is accused of nasty things. Very nasty things. I just got verified that admins can figure this out. This issue is now under investigation.

    Sure, you think you are strong? you think money he paid you to threaten me worst or defending a faction member worst being on the same side with a minor abuser. Well come at me all together bro. I'm here, what can you do best. I'm here please do your best. You will all see this when your friend's account get deleted or jailed...

    For the innocent investors, hey I'm sorry I picked the second path earlier, as I was just disappointed and angry about what has happened to me. How unfair it was etc. I'm going to pay all of you, even if your term is not over. I will pay you with the profits. Let's arrange safe time.

    Only one f**ker not gonna get money and he is Bughunter10, aka, minor abuser. Hey you wanna be on his side fine bro that's what matches to your "reputation".

    MaxHeadRoom [1429645]

    the bounties stay til you have paid ppl.

    nothing personnal you rude boy, i have been contracted

    and i will require public confirmation of payments

    AdanaliApo [2329098]

    You are no f**king authority here, get the f**k out, I'm paying people just because I want it, not because you are putting bounties. if you don't put 1000 bounties on me you are a lil bitch nothing else. I will pay everyone but put 1000 bounties on me to prove you are not a lil bitch.
    temper temper ragey nubbucket, you kiss yer momma with that mouth?

    >.<

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    AdanaliApo [2329098]

    Hello everyone,

    I started a brokering business last week using the trade channel. Initial idea was to keep track of each and every position opened and closed using clients money so that I would be able to track of the growth individually and each client would have a clear picture of where is their money invested at what rate. But, after having more than 5 clients with multiple positions, and notifying everyone everyday with the numbers and so on became really difficult and too much work for me. So, I decided to change the business style into mutual funds. It will work just like a bank.

    Here is how it works:
    1-) You pick a profit plan, options are:
    • 1 week: %1 profit

    • 2 weeks: %3 profit

    • 3 weeks: %6 profit

    • 4 weeks: %10 profit


    2-) You decide the amount you want to invest and contact me for a safe time to transfer the money. Do not send me money if I'm travelling abroad. There is min.
    5M limit

    on investment.



    3-) Money would be locked according to the plan you picked.

    4-) I would invest the money in stocks and start making profits in order to reach the profit goal. If I can't reach to profit goal or go in negative(I doubt if ever happen), I would pay the difference from my own pocket.

    5-) After the time limit, I would contact you and ask if you want to cashout your accounts or start a new investment.

    NOTE: I know most people here is going to question this business idea understandably as there is no protection on your investments other than me honoring my words. I totally get that. So let's talk about couple of arguments I received last week:

    1-) Your networth is so low, if you are this great at investing in stocks shouldn't you have much more money?
    I played the game only for 5 months 2 years ago, never invested at that time. I was spending most of my money to a restaurant that I owned. Then I got bored of looking for employees everytime someone leaves and quit the game for 1.5 years. Last year in RL, I got into Forex trading, and I wanted to play stocks in TORN too. So, I came back last month and started investing.

    2-) Why don't you invest just your own money instead of asking investments from the clients?
    I'm investing %100 of my money in stocks. I made more than %10 profit last month, so I worked out the profit plan numbers according to my gains. But, as I have low total networth, profits are also small for me. I would like to manage much bigger balance so that I can gain much bigger profits.

    3-) If you have low networth, how are you going to pay everyones profits in case of failure in stocks market?
    I have a strategy that I follow, so I close positions as soon as they reach a certain % loss, so that I would be able to pay your loss+profit goal. It works in similar way to a margin call.

    4-) You played the game 5 months then quit, what if you decided to quit again?
    I quit the game first time after paying all my debts to people, letting my workers and spouse know that I'm quitting. So, if I would quit again, I would let you know and send your money back before I do so.

    NOTE TO POTENTIAL CLIENTS: This is a crime game, and your investment is only protected by me honoring my words. If you like to invest, keep that in mind, and invest amounts that you are comfortable with. If I were to scam you and run away with monies, there is nothing you could do other than coming to this thread and making comments. If you lose 1 dollar with me, please make a comment here!!!
    This reminds me this:

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